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When Carrying Goes Wrong

countryboy said:
I bet the millions of people whose lives have been saved by the defensive use of a firearm, couldn't possibly care less about your idiotic opinion.
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Hayes does.
 
VanceMack said:
It sounds like the defendant made the mistake of lying about Smith having the gun in his hand and in popping caps into both knees of Smith's wife. Deliberately ramming his SUV into Smiths Benz didnt make Hayes look very good either. If it was a situation where the defendant stayed in his car and was getting pummeled he would have been justified. Its really hard to read the details of the case and see how this is a justified shooting.

I dont see where this has anything to do with 'concealed carry'.
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I don't read CCW in this either, just another idiot with a gun.
 
Lutherf said:
Self defense is a tough claim when you're the guy that chased the victim down, rammed your vehicle into his and then shot him 8 times...7 of those being in the back.
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Thing is, the guy didn't leave his house that night saying, "I'm gonna go shoot me some jock." It just happened. **** went down, it got too real too fast, and now he's looking at 40 years. I suggest that this could happen to anyone, given the right set of circumstances, if you have a gun on you.
 
jet57 said:
So, it went wrong didn't it.
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I see you too do not understand the distinction. :shrug:
Oh well.

It wasn't the carrying that caused it.
It was him carrying through with faulty thoughts.
 
calamity said:
Thing is, the guy didn't leave his house that night saying, "I'm gonna go shoot me some jock." It just happened. **** went down, it got too real too fast, and now he's looking at 40 years. I suggest that this could happen to anyone, given the right set of circumstances, if you have a gun on you.
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Extremely rare circumstances, and this shooter had already proved to be a hothead. Given that over 15k people are murdered each year, that's a much more common event that someone should prepare for. No one ever leaves the house and says "today I die in a car crash" but we pile ourselves and our families into those death traps every day to the tune of 33k dead per year.
 
calamity said:
What?
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It would be easier for you to take night classes in English than for me to explain to somebody who lacks any comprehension.
Strange as it may be to you a response of "what" conveys nothing to me other than a complete lack of communication skill and any comprehension at all. Perhaps with some help you may be able to revise it.

I'll take that as an admission you have no evidence to back up your claim
 
Crimefree said:
It would be easier for you to take night classes in English than for me to explain to somebody who lacks any comprehension.
Strange as it may be to you a response of "what" conveys nothing to me other than a complete lack of communication skill and any comprehension at all. Perhaps with some help you may be able to revise it.

I'll take that as an admission you have no evidence to back up your claim
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How about you just specify what it is you want answered? I'd rather not guess.
 
BrewerBob said:
If you think carrying a gun will make you murder someone over an argument then I agree, you shouldn't carry a gun.
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Or driving because if guns can influence you why not vehicles? There is so much more space for a mind control devil to hide in.
 
calamity said:
Thing is, the guy didn't leave his house that night saying, "I'm gonna go shoot me some jock." It just happened. **** went down, it got too real too fast, and now he's looking at 40 years. I suggest that this could happen to anyone, given the right set of circumstances, if you have a gun on you.
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No, it couldn't happen to just anyone. It happens to people who don't have the temperament to function rationally in society. Hayes popped his cork and was seeking a violent engagement. Whether it was with fists, knives or a gun he had his mind set on violence.
 
calamity said:
Thing is, the guy didn't leave his house that night saying, "I'm gonna go shoot me some jock." It just happened. **** went down, it got too real too fast, and now he's looking at 40 years. I suggest that this could happen to anyone, given the right set of circumstances, if you have a gun on you.
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And again Calamity.. if that were true.. then concealed weapons carriers would be LESS law abiding on average.

Concealed-carry permit holders are the most law-abiding demographic of U.S. citizens, according to a recent report by the Crime Prevention Research Center.The report, titled, “Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across The United States 2016,” compared permit holders to the general population and then to police officers in Florida and Texas, two states which largely mirror the rest of the country.

The data revealed that from 2005 to 2007, “there were 103 crimes per 100,000 police officers,” while the U.S. population’s crime rate is 37 times that number.

Permit holders are convicted of felonies and misdemeanors at less than a sixth of the rate of police officers, according to the study. Officers also commit firearm violations, 16.5 per 100,000, seven times more frequently than permit holders, at only 2.4 per 100,000 in Texas and Florida.


Read more: Report: Permit Holders Are Most Law-Abiding Demographic | The Daily Caller
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so the facts are. that concealed carry permit holders are LESS likely to be involved in crime.. not more so.
 
calamity said:
How about you just specify what it is you want answered? I'd rather not guess.
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How about you read what you wrote.

Uh, my take on it is he would have stayed in his car and not gone all Rambo if he wasn't carrying. That's all.
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And your take would be based on what evidence that it was even remotely factual?

After you have read the words try to figure you need to prove your claim has any basis in fact and your statement is not based on paranoia, delusion, indoctrination or ignorance.
 
Lutherf said:
No, it couldn't happen to just anyone. It happens to people who don't have the temperament to function rationally in society. Hayes popped his cork and was seeking a violent engagement. Whether it was with fists, knives or a gun he had his mind set on violence.
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This is the inhuman defense.

You manufacture an excuse for why this could never happen to an ordinary person. Well guess what, this guy isn't a different brand of human.

You better believe that the average gun carrier would sooner shoot a professional athlete like this coward did than get into a ****ing fist fight, or even a knife fight, with a professional athlete.
 
VanceMack said:
It sounds like the defendant made the mistake of lying about Smith having the gun in his hand and in popping caps into both knees of Smith's wife. Deliberately ramming his SUV into Smiths Benz didnt make Hayes look very good either. If it was a situation where the defendant stayed in his car and was getting pummeled he would have been justified. Its really hard to read the details of the case and see how this is a justified shooting.

I dont see where this has anything to do with 'concealed carry'.
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It's not, it's just another case of "I will twist the **** out of this to suit my needs".
 
Absentglare said:
This is the inhuman defense.

You manufacture an excuse for why this could never happen to an ordinary person. Well guess what, this guy isn't a different brand of human.

You better believe that the average gun carrier would sooner shoot a professional athlete like this coward did than get into a ****ing fist fight, or even a knife fight, with a professional athlete.
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Hard to fist fight someone who never gets out of the car or chases down someone. Since there are over 11 million CCW holders in the US, and so few shootings by CCW, it's presumed that most CCW aren't as hotheaded as the shooter. There are lots of everyone who aren't as hotheaded as the shooter and don't get into fistfights.
 
Crimefree said:
How about you read what you wrote.



And your take would be based on what evidence that it was even remotely factual?

After you have read the words try to figure you need to prove your claim has any basis in fact and your statement is not based on paranoia, delusion, indoctrination or ignorance.
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Would you go up to a professional football player and start a fight if you were unarmed?

Yeah. The gun made that dude think he was 10-feet tall.
 
Absentglare said:
This is the inhuman defense.

You manufacture an excuse for why this could never happen to an ordinary person. Well guess what, this guy isn't a different brand of human.

You better believe that the average gun carrier would sooner shoot a professional athlete like this coward did than get into a ****ing fist fight, or even a knife fight, with a professional athlete.
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The average person who legally carries a concealed weapon who try to do everything POSSIABLE to avoid a fist fight with anyone not just an anthlete.
 
calamity said:
Would you go up to a professional football player and start a fight if you were unarmed?

Yeah. The gun made that dude think he was 10-feet tall.
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I wouldn't chase anyone down or get into a fistfight, either. I guess that everyone isn't like that one particular individual.
 
Absentglare said:
This is the inhuman defense.

You manufacture an excuse for why this could never happen to an ordinary person. Well guess what, this guy isn't a different brand of human.

You better believe that the average gun carrier would sooner shoot a professional athlete like this coward did than get into a ****ing fist fight, or even a knife fight, with a professional athlete.
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The only people I can think of that demonstrate this level of mental instability are gun control advocates. Delusional people should not be allowed to even drive.
 
calamity said:
Too bad the victim didn't have a gun. Sometimes, carrying actually does make sense.
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Ok so you are for some people to carry a gun. But also say it is human nature to he bolder if you do have a gun. How do you know the victim above would not have been bolder knowing he had a gun a reacted with deadly force?


How do you determine who is going to Be an ass with a gun? Or should we deny people to carry unless the prove not to be an ass.
 
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