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akyron said:Aleem said:Even if the reason is your barbaric behaviour against me ? Your barbaric behaviour is acceptable and mine is not ? What a rotten mind .
Man, I get yelled at and gaveled when I say these things. And Aleems not even trying to be funny.
An intentional distortion of Qur'an . The verse [55] in chapter [4] says : " Some of them believed, and some of them averted their faces from him: And enough is Hell for a burning fire. " .akyron said:Qur’an 4:55 “Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!”
It was better to say : " I am really trying hard to understand the Islamic motive and drive to kill these Killers but it really escapes me at this time. "akyron said:I am really trying hard to understand the Islamic motive and drive to kill these people but it really escapes me at this time.
The Undistorted verse says : "Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers;-"akyron said:Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”
You should have mentioned the next verse too if you're honest .akyron said:Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Again...You're fabricating lies about The Prophet Muhammed(PBUH)...You don't know who Muhammed is....You know nothing about A Man who one time fell on his knees in the prostration position to enable his wife to ride a camel by ascending on his back......Have you ever seen something like that ? Can this kind of man order to torture someone ? If you neutrally read the biography of Muhammed with an immaculate heart, Your eyes will shed tears .akyron said:Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
If I snapped my fingers and EVERY foreign soldier in Iraq was gone, they will still want us dead because we are in Afghanistan…
If I snapped my fingers and EVERY foreign soldier in Afghanistan was gone, they will still want us dead because we have bases and people on Muslim land…
If I snapped my fingers and EVERY non-Muslim & every foreigner left Muslim land, they will still want us dead because we associate with the suppressive regimes in Muslim lands…
they will still want us dead because we support Israel…
they will STILL want us dead because the Wahabbism interpretation of the Koran says that we are infidels...and infidels must die.
cnredd said:I just spent ten minutes looking up sources to respond to Surenderer...
If you look at his(her?) response to my post, you could see why I now feel there is no need to bother...it would be an exercise in futility.
For others...read on...
There is no reason that a moderate Muslim state cannot peacefully co-exist with, and prosper alongside, any other western-style society. Look to Turkey, Egypt, Singapore, hell, even parts of the Philippines for examples.
But the truth of it is that Muslims in these countries are faced with this bald fact. They have lost relevance in the modern world, if you think about it. The days of conquering Saladin and the enlightened (if somewhat backward by modern western standards) Caliphate are relics of the desert, driven over by Bedouins in oil-soaked Mercedes. There are no more great philosophers, mathematicians, scientists, philosophers, statesmen, or even artists that claim these regions as home. The smart ones, the talented ones, and the ones that can truly CHANGE their societies, have all fled to western countries, universities and lifestyles. They only look back in scrapbooks.
Beruit used to be such a pretty, cosmopolitan city; the Rivera of the middle east. Now it’s just Stalingrad with palm trees.
There are no more great philosophers, mathematicians, scientists, philosophers, statesmen, or even artists that claim these regions as home.
[/QUOTE]Beruit used to be such a pretty, cosmopolitan city; the Rivera of the middle east. Now it’s just Stalingrad with palm trees.
lamaror said:I am Christian and I have read the Bible several times, but I have also read the Koran. The Koran is not any more violent than the Bible. I do not believe that most Moslem terrorists are terrorists because they are Moslem. Terrorist in the Middle east are probably responding to many stimulus, the least of all is religious fervor. America's constant sticking its nose into the business and local affairs of foreign countries. America under Bush seems to believe tis correct to interfere anywhere for the sake of Greed, Power, and Profit for corporation. Our support of Israel has consistently made problems for us. The stimulus that causes terrorism is rampant. We Americans are good people and christians. We need to be able to defend our country from Terrorists and other threats, but don't need to assume the attitude that we are far superior to others.. Many times this happens solely because the others are moslems. We need to get out of Iraq and fight the war on Terrorism. God bless America. :roll:
Gandhi>Bush said:Do you really think Muslim extremists resort to terrorism solely because of their religion? Nothing else to it? Nothing at all?
QUOTE=cnredd]I’m going to go “big picture” here...get this into your head…
If I snapped my fingers and EVERY foreign soldier in Iraq was gone, they will still want us dead because we are in Afghanistan…
If I snapped my fingers and EVERY foreign soldier in Afghanistan was gone, they will still want us dead because we have bases and people on Muslim land…
If I snapped my fingers and EVERY non-Muslim & every foreigner left Muslim land, they will still want us dead because we associate with the suppressive regimes in Muslim lands…
If I snapped my fingers and EVERY nation stopped associating with the suppressive regimes in Muslim lands,
they will still want us dead because we support Israel…
If I snapped my fingers and EVERY nation in the world stopped recognizing and supporting Israel, and every Jew in Israel, and indeed, the world died, and a new Palestinian nation rises, they will STILL want us dead because the Wahabbism interpretation of the Koran says that we are infidels...and infidels must die.
America's constantly sticking its nose into the business and local affairs of foreign countries. America under Bush seems to believe tis correct to interfere anywhere for the sake of Greed, Power, and Profit for corporation. Our support of Israel has consistently made problems for us.
A settlement, negotiated between the parties, will result in the emergence of an independent, democratic, and viable Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with Israel and its other neighbors.
Would the Islamic extremists then leave us alone?
Could we still buy your oil?
Would you let Arabs that live in your own countries practice openly whatever religion they choose to?
Do you feel all Arabs in your countries have to abide by the dress codes, what news they watch, and the other commandments of Islam?
Could your women work, vote, teach, hold public office, marry who they choose to
[/QUOTE]Honest answers here fellows please.
Surenderer said:Salaam Alikum teacher,
Gesundheit.
Thanks for the answers. Seems like if the extremists weren't focused on us then you guys would have your hands full. I guess some of those questions were more geared to the countries of Saudi Arabia and Iran than say Kuwait or Egypt. Why don't you guys do more about the extremists from your end? I would think if this whole terror thing went away it would be better for you eh? Are the terrorists reasons more religious or political in your opinion? Are they thinking they're fighting the great Satan or invaders of their land? The first world trade center bombing was before the Gulf war remember. Would you denounce the targeting of Jewish children by Palestinian terrorists? I mean children. If they were to target Jewish military positions I would consider listening to their grievances. But as long as they target children I just want them dead. Like I told Allem if they bombed my children I would be covered in their blood, day and night, head to toe, for a long time to come. And I think Iraq will soon be back to it's former self as far as education and culture go. Saddam was a bad man. The symphony orchestra is playing in Bagdad again. A sure sign of advancement.
Just guessing here but, your not an Arab are you? You make way too much sense. Aleem is an Arab and he's downright nasty.
Gesundheit.
I guess some of those questions were more geared to the countries of Saudi Arabia and Iran than say Kuwait or Egypt.
Why don't you guys do more about the extremists from your end?
Are the terrorists reasons more religious or political in your opinion?
The first world trade center bombing was before the Gulf war remember
Would you denounce the targeting of Jewish children by Palestinian terrorists? I mean children.
Like I told Allem if they bombed my children I would be covered in their blood, day and night, head to toe, for a long time to come.
Just guessing here but, your not an Arab are you? You make way too much sense. Aleem is an Arab and he's downright nasty
teacher said:Just guessing here but, your not an Arab are you? You make way too much sense. Aleem is an Arab and he's downright nasty.
As far as I know Extremists dont target Muslims in other countries but again...they are Extremists so I dont know what they would say about this
BAGHDAD, June 28 -- A prominent member of Iraq's National Assembly was killed Tuesday in a suicide car bombing, the second lawmaker to be assassinated since the assembly was elected five months ago.
(CBS/AP) Al Qaeda's wing in Iraq claimed Thursday it had killed Egypt's top envoy who was abducted by gunmen last weekend and warned it would go after "as many ambassadors as we can" to punish countries that support Iraq's U.S.-backed leadership.
The speaker, purported to be al-Zarqawi, also justified the deaths of fellow Muslims in attacks against U.S. troops and their Iraqi allies, saying jihad — or holy war — was too important to be hindered.
"God ordered us to attack the infidels by all means ... even if armed infidels and unintended victims — women and children — are killed together," he said. "The priority is for jihad so anything that slows down jihad should be overcome."
But in Pakistan, many Islamic radicals hold equal (and sometimes more) animosity toward dissenting Muslims (particularly Shiites) than toward westerners. The Sipah-i-Sahaba have even killed many of their own Sunni clerics, because the clerics rejected their divisive agenda. Often, implementing a skewed understanding of Islamic sharia (religious law) -- and not hatred of the West -- is their prime motivation.
Surenderer, apparently under hallucinatory medication, wrote...
And, with exceptions, the majority of the global Muslim community keeps its mouth shut...A) They agree with the extremists...or B)they are against the extremists, but fear retaliation
[/QUOTE]Fundamentalists have hijacked the religion, and the peaceful Muslim community sits idly by and lets them.
I don't claim to have the answer for "extremists" because I'm not one. I can only answer for myself and I'm not an extremist
Im sure that nothing would make you happier than to see Muslims killing more Muslims.....
I can only answer for myself
Peace be upon you too. I didn't know what that ment. You know, an unknown sound, And hey, I did say bless you back.Surenderer said:You see things like this are the problem.......I greet you with "peace be upon you" and this is the response i get
Indeed true although I dont see Iran as bad as maybe you do....but Whabbi's(Saudi's) make up less than 1% of the worlds Muslims and Iranians(shiite) less than 20%(but please remember that all Shiites dont live in Iran so thats not 20% of the worlds Muslims)
From what I've learned these past few days these Whabbi's don't sound very.....religiuos like. In the sense of the word I'm used to. I think the Sunnis in Iraq are more upset about losing their sranglehold on power over the majority. Saddam was a bad guy in anyones book.
I admit and denounce that.But was after the U.S. gave chemical weapons to Saddam which he used on his population.....or for that fact even the whole Iran Iraq fiasco or do you remeber the U.S. cruiser Vincennes when it downed a Iranian commercial airliner, killing 290 civilians etc etc etc..... There was alot of Arab hostility before the first WTC bombings
Of course the deaths of anyone innocent person...not just children is a tragedy.
That's the main thing I wanted to here. Aleem won't say that.
If we were doing to our people what Saddam was doing to his then we would deseve it.Me also....but suppose your country was invaded and your children were killed by mistake by a "smart"bomb?.....would you just shrug your shoulders and say "oh well"? suppose the deaths of your kids were labeled as "collateral damage"? Suppose the premise of that invasion was built on lies? would you be pissed? Most terrorist start from deaths of their kids or loved ones....sorrry it aint the religion
No I'm African-American.....I don't know Aleem but I don't think the fact that he is an Arab is any direct link to his being nasty(your words)
Didn't quite mean it like that but I get your point.
peace to you
Don't take any wooden nickles. See, now that's funny.
cnredd said:Surenderer,
First you write...
and then later you write...
Apparently, you have no problem answering for ME.
Overall...I believe you have, what I call, the apologist's creed...
If the USA does something, it's the USA's fault...If someone other than the USA does something, it's the USA's fault.
Not true bro....actually I blame the leaders of the M.E. more than I blame America....they are truely the evil ones in this mess....the Arab people are caught in the middle.
[/QUOTE]It took a twelve-year war for America to gain freedom. 1400 years and counting for the Middle East.
But the Arab people(You grouped them also) HATE America; the ones who want them to be free. My guess is because they are forcefed anti-American rhetoric from their governments...governments who, you say, are more to blame.
[/QUOTE]rican doesn't really want freedom for the Arab people......if they did they would start with the most oppressive regime over there (House of Saud) which just so happens to be their best friend. The Governments are more to blame because they have "Uncle Tom'ed" their people to bend to Western whims for oil and strategic dominance
teacher said:Don't take any wooden nickles. See, now that's funny.
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