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[legalimmigrant]

Once born the premie/infant is no longer biologically dependent on the bio mothers life's forces.

Before birth it is biologically dependent on the bio mother.

Is this supposed to be an answer to my question or just a kneejerk reaction to an inconvenient question?

 

[Removable Mind]

Is this supposed to be an answer to my question or just a kneejerk reaction to an inconvenient question?

Is your motive for repeatedly asking "very common knowledge questions" simply to lure people in who reply to you with legitimate answers WITH sources, in a POLITE manner, and with the intent to satisfy your unclear and almost grade school level questions, so that you can turn around and "wrongly" condemn them and make "degrading comments" to them for answering your questions?

 

[minnie616]

Is this supposed to be an answer to my question or just a kneejerk reaction to an inconvenient question?

If your question was regarding legal abortions than the question is irrevelant since elective abortions are illegal in the US once viability is reached.

 

[JayDubya]

Once born the premie/infant is no longer biologically dependent on the bio mothers life's forces.

You talk about the force more than Yoda.

Only his comments make sense in his context, and you're talking about biology.

 

[calamity]

So, in a couple of seconds, getting the cord cut changes the 7 pounds of flesh so freed up to something else? Biologically speaking.

Did I get it right?

A simple yes or no will do fine. Then an essay if you wish.

Actually being born matters. I don't know why this is so hard for you and Jay to get.

 

[D_NATURED]

No, I hate you comparing the humans you stupidly hate and want to see dead to ants. I hate that because it's hideous and monstrous. It's the kind of evil you see from cartoon villains in shows for children, and you're just wearing it on your sleeve.

Jesus, what a drama queen. I don't hate humans, I love even the female ones. There's a big difference.

This claim of yours is another lie, just more hyperbole from someone who can't see that their opinion marginalizes women and speculatively declares fetuses to be rights-endowed citizens, when that can NEVER be the case.

Bigotry is irrational to begin with, and irrationality is contemptuous enough without compounding it by using irrationality to drive mass homicide.

More hyperbole from the king. Big surprise.

 

[thinkagain]

"Child" is not a term of endearment. As neither is the term "parent". Like "I am your parent, your are my child". Got it?

So, with that out of the way, can anyone here list the stages from zygot or a child-citizen and when the changes take place?

Clearly, that should be a walk in the park to asnwer considering that some of you here do not "LACK OF grasp of biology".

Often the word "child" is used as a term of endearment but it is also a colloquialism. One example would be the term "With Child" .. common in earlier days when referring to a pregnant woman.

Just because the term "with child" was used does not actually mean that a child existed.

 

[shrubnose]

Where does the Constitution say there are no rights until born? The only part that references natural born citizens is eligibility to be president.

It also places a limit at the age of 35.

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How many fetuses are 35 years old?

:lol:

 

[shrubnose]

Which beings me back to black people not being recognized as persons.

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At one time they were recognized as three-fifths of a person.

 

[JayDubya]

Jesus, what a drama queen. I don't hate humans

Whale****.

You just compared the humans you hate and want to see dead to bugs.

 

[prometeus]

The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. Where does the Constitution say that a fetus has no right to life?

What a stupid question. The Constitution does not say anything negative about anything, but perhaps you can cite where it says that a fetus has it.

 

[minnie616]

At one time they were recognized as three-fifths of a person.

Actually blacks have always been concidered persons in the US.
For census perposes eack free black was counted as one person and slaves were counted as three-fifths of a person.

 

[D_NATURED]

Whale****.

You just compared the humans you hate and want to see dead to bugs.

Not surprisingly, the metaphor was lost on you. Obviously, you choose to frame the debate in the most emotional terms. Saying I "hate" fetuses is ridiculous. I don't have to hate them to feel that women have a right to live that trumps that of any being dwelling within them.

The fact is, women have abortions, not fetuses. This is a women's health issue, not a fetal one. That you continue to characterize the debate as being about mass murder shows the utter lack of honesty in your opinion and the depth of your delusion.

 

[JayDubya]

Not surprisingly, the metaphor was lost on you.

You're comparing human beings you want to see dead to lesser animals, to be killed. It wasn't lost on me. This isn't an uncommon tactic by hate groups throughout history, by any means.

I don't have to hate them to feel that women have a right to live that trumps that of any being dwelling within them.

Yes you do. You think their lives are worthless, that they are less than human and can be killed on a whim. That's hate, objectively. If you said the same thing about black folks there would be no argument, it's just that your particular hateful ignorance is so widespread. That said, hundreds of years ago, so was the other.

This is a women's health issue

Whale ****.

It's about hiring someone to kill a human being in cold blood.

 

[D_NATURED]

You're comparing human beings you want to see dead to lesser animals, to be killed. It wasn't lost on me. This isn't an uncommon tactic by hate groups throughout history, by any means.



Yes you do. You think their lives are worthless, that they are less than human and can be killed on a whim. That's hate, objectively. If you said the same thing about black folks there would be no argument, it's just that your particular hateful ignorance is so widespread. That said, hundreds of years ago, so was the other.



Whale ****.

It's about hiring someone to kill a human being in cold blood.

You're so closed minded. This isn't about you or I determining, absent any risk to our lives or health, the value of a fetus, it's about putting that determination into the hands of the women who bear them, who DO take that risk.

The idea that I hate fetuses is so absurdly comical and such a juvenile argument. You don't deserve a civil response but you got one any way. Enjoy it, it may be your last.

 

[calamity]

You're so closed minded. This isn't about you or I determining, absent any risk to our lives or health, the value of a fetus, it's about putting that determination into the hands of the women who bear them, who DO take that risk.

The idea that I hate fetuses is so absurdly comical and such a juvenile argument. You don't deserve a civil response but you got one any way. Enjoy it, it may be your last.

Bingo!

 

[JayDubya]

You're so closed minded. This isn't about you or I determining, absent any risk to our lives or health, the value of a fetus, it's about putting that determination into the hands of the women who bear them, who DO take that risk.

You've made the determination that some humans are inferior and mere property to be disposed of if their master wills to do so.

That is bigotry, no different than the bigotry of slavery supporters.

The idea that I hate fetuses is

Undeniable.

 

[D_NATURED]

You've made the determination that some humans are inferior and mere property to be disposed of if their master wills to do so.

Not their master, their creator and, ironically, the one they threaten with death. Not once have you acknowledged the threat of pregnancy, and the contortions you must undergo to ignore that reality is evidence of the weakness of your position.

That is bigotry, no different than the bigotry of slavery supporters.

You don't know what bigotry is. This is no different than someone protecting their home with deadly force. Abortion is self defense.

 

[Aberration]

The DOI is not incorporated in the Constitution.

In fact the idea of natural rights that the DOI was based most likely came from John Locke.

John Locke said, " all men are born equally free" and hold certain " natural rights"...

The Open Door Web Site : History : John Locke and the "Treatises on Government

The key word is born.


Some of the founding fathers owned slaves so it is understandable that the words in the DOI were changed from the wording from born equally free to "created equal " ... The Founding Fathers couldn't very well have the slaves thinking they were born free now could they?

And yet nothing in the DOI or Constitution says anything about rights only applying to the born. So the Founders could believe they were created equal, but not born free? That makes absolutely no sense.


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[minnie616]

And yet nothing in the DOI or Constitution says anything about rights only applying to the born. So the Founders could believe they were created equal, but not born free? That makes absolutely no sense.


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The Constitution does not include the unborn as persons.

The Founders did not believe that women and blacks were created free.
In fact we needed to add Constitutional amendments giving rights to blacks and women.

A fetus in not a PERSON under U.S. law.

Persons have rights under the Constitution, and it is clear that the authors of the Constitution and its amendments did not regard fetuses as persons.


In order to say that fetuses are persons under U.S. law, the Constitution would have to be amended to say so. Therefore the intentional killing of a fetus does not have same legal status as the killing of a person.

States can create laws to protect citizens from harmful practices, and it can ban medical procedures that are harmful. When abortion was initially banned by most states, it was a dangerous procedure. Medically, it is now safer than childbirth. Therefore there is no longer a good reason for states to ban it as a medical practice.

Since 1891, the U.S. has recognized a right to privacy in some "zones" of activity, which means that individuals can make decisions and act upon them without informing other people and without state interference. (Example: Your discussions with your lawyer are private and confidential.) The court has previously recognized that adult women have a privacy right when it comes to contraception and reproduction.



Conclusion: Because fetuses are not legally protected and abortion is a safe medical procedure protected by privacy rights, adult women have the right to receive an abortion in the first six months of pregnancy, and states can only interfere where the interference is appropriate to the woman's health.

Roe v Wade - edited text

 

[JayDubya]

Not their master, their creator and, ironically, the one they threaten with death. Not once have you acknowledged the threat of pregnancy, and the contortions you must undergo to ignore that reality is evidence of the weakness of your position.



You don't know what bigotry is. This is no different than someone protecting their home with deadly force. Abortion is self defense.

Claiming attacking a helpless innocent is self-defense is the most ludicrously stupid thing you pro-aborts say, and that is a long ****ing list.

Words mean nothing to you people. You don't speak any rational language.


Your hyperbole about pregnancy is noted and rejected as equally moronic.

 

[nota bene]

Jesus, what a drama queen. I don't hate humans, I love even the female ones. There's a big difference.

This claim of yours is another lie, just more hyperbole from someone who can't see that their opinion marginalizes women and speculatively declares fetuses to be rights-endowed citizens, when that can NEVER be the case.



More hyperbole from the king. Big surprise.

Even the female ones? :roll:

And abortion is self-defense? :roll:

What I will never understand, irrespective of your stance on elective abortion, is dehumanizing humans. From its one-celled conception on, human is human.

Sad business any time any human is marginalized or considered of lesser worth than another.

 

[year2late]

Even the female ones? :roll:

And abortion is self-defense? :roll:

What I will never understand, irrespective of your stance on elective abortion, is dehumanizing humans. From its one-celled conception on, human is human.

Sad business any time any human is marginalized or considered of lesser worth than another.

Born individuals are dehumanized all the time. Making them plead for adequate healthcare to survive, allow them to live on the streets while others big worry is whether to get their third car with or without the heated seat.

 

[JayDubya]

Born individuals are dehumanized all the time. Making them plead for adequate healthcare to survive, allow them to live on the streets while others big worry is whether to get their third car with or without the heated seat.

Oh good, now the socialist garbage conflating treating someone by law as less than human, to be killed on a whim, with people not buying themselves homes or healthcare services.

 

[year2late]

Oh good, now the socialist garbage conflating treating someone by law as less than human, to be killed on a whim, with people not buying themselves homes or healthcare services.

We get that you are pro-fetus.....just not pro-born