What's Wrong with this Picture?

[roguenuke]

The Declaration of Independence.


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Is an opinion written by people. While the sentiment is great, that doesn't make that particular part correct.


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[Removable Mind]

The Declaration of Independence.


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The DOA is a divorce petition sent to King George by our Framers. It's describing the vision that the Framers had for what America had become and would look like as a sovereign nation - in comparison to the way things were in England under King George's rule. And then they made a pretty long list of grievances and charges against King George, which in essence is saying America is a free, independent society from England and your rule and you can't possess our lives, labor, and property as a part of your treasure.

While the "inalienable" part was poetic, it wasn't inscribed in a document that became the blueprint of how our government would work and the rights of the people under a Republic form of government (aka the Constitution). In fact, the first time the life, liberty, and property showed up in the Constitution was followed by another term "due process" was in the 5th Amendment and it was related to "procedural due process". Then in 1868 it showed up again, but this time in the 14th Amendment, and that version was related to "substantive due process". In the end, due process clause says: "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

In other words, the state can't unjustly take a life without due process of law. The same applies to liberty and property.

So, no, there no inalienable rights - implied or stated in the Constitution.

 

[legalimmigrant]

Good question. Tell me.

You used the term "zygot" as distinctly different from "baby" or any other term so you know how to recognize a zygot.

So, tell me when a zygot is no longer a zygot and what does it become when it is no longer a zygot.

 

[Quag]

I see a lot wrong with that picture.

Firstly, Hillary should be devouring that baby in her hand, since the souls of children sustain her life force.

And the award for best first reply to an OP goes to...........

 

[Militant_Vegan_]

You used the term "zygot" as distinctly different from "baby" or any other term so you know how to recognize a zygot.

So, tell me when a zygot is no longer a zygot and what does it become when it is no longer a zygot.

whats YOUR opinion?

 

[Removable Mind]

You used the term "zygot" as distinctly different from "baby" or any other term so you know how to recognize a zygot.

So, tell me when a zygot is no longer a zygot and what does it become when it is no longer a zygot.

How many scientifically labeled stages of development between zygote and say a fully matured fetus? Baby and child is a term of endearment, not a scientific term.

 

[year2late]

lol..another Facebook meme going around the far right sphere.

Anyone out there ever see a fetus in diapers?

Back to the original post.

What is wrong with this picture?

Hillary is holding a born baby. And some silly right wing nut jobs want you to equate that born child with an embryo or fetus.

What is right with the picture? It typifies a total LACK OF grasp of biology that many of the noisiest of pro-life seem to have.

 

[legalimmigrant]

How many scientifically labeled stages of development between zygote and say a fully matured fetus? Baby and child is a term of endearment, not a scientific term.

"Child" is not a term of endearment. As neither is the term "parent". Like "I am your parent, your are my child". Got it?

So, with that out of the way, can anyone here list the stages from zygot or a child-citizen and when the changes take place?

Clearly, that should be a walk in the park to asnwer considering that some of you here do not "LACK OF grasp of biology".

 

[Removable Mind]

"Child" is not a term of endearment. As neither is the term "parent". Like "I am your parent, your are my child". Got it?

So, with that out of the way, can anyone here list the stages from zygot or a child-citizen and when the changes take place?

Prior to birth, child and baby are terms of endearment. Got it?

 

[legalimmigrant]

Prior to birth, child and baby are terms of endearment. Got it?

OK.

Now, what about those stages from a zygot to a child-citizen?

Are you going list them or duck again?

 

[Removable Mind]

"Child" is not a term of endearment. As neither is the term "parent". Like "I am your parent, your are my child". Got it?

So, with that out of the way, can anyone here list the stages from zygot or a child-citizen and when the changes take place?

Clearly, that should be a walk in the park to asnwer considering that some of you here do not "LACK OF grasp of biology".

A child gains the rights of a citizen at birth according to the Constitution of the United States.

You've failed to provide any information that indicates that YOU grasp any knowledge of human biology.

 

[Removable Mind]

"Child" is not a term of endearment. As neither is the term "parent". Like "I am your parent, your are my child". Got it?

So, with that out of the way, can anyone here list the stages from zygot or a child-citizen and when the changes take place?

Clearly, that should be a walk in the park to asnwer considering that some of you here do not "LACK OF grasp of biology".

Here, let me help you get started:

Week 1

Week 1 - Early zygote
Week 1 Carnegie stage - 1 | 2 | 3 | 4
Oocyte | Spermatozoa | Fertilization
Zygote
Morula
Blastocyst

Week 2

Week 2 Implantation
Week 2 Carnegie stage - 5 | 6
Trophoblast - outer cell layer
Embryoblast - inner cell mass
Implantation
Bilaminar embryo

Week 3

Week 3 - Embryonic disc
Week 3 - Carnegie stage - 7 | 8 | 9
Gastrulation
Notochord
Trilaminar embryo
Mesoderm
Somitogenesis
Neurogenesis

Week 4

Week 4 - The heart begins
Week 4 - Carnegie stage - 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
Heart
Placodes
Pharyngeal arches

 

[legalimmigrant]

Here, let me help you get started:

Week 1

Week 1 - Early zygote
Week 1 Carnegie stage - 1 | 2 | 3 | 4
Oocyte | Spermatozoa | Fertilization
Zygote
Morula
Blastocyst

Week 2

Week 2 Implantation
Week 2 Carnegie stage - 5 | 6
Trophoblast - outer cell layer
Embryoblast - inner cell mass
Implantation
Bilaminar embryo

Week 3

Week 3 - Embryonic disc
Week 3 - Carnegie stage - 7 | 8 | 9
Gastrulation
Notochord
Trilaminar embryo
Mesoderm
Somitogenesis
Neurogenesis

Week 4

Week 4 - The heart begins
Week 4 - Carnegie stage - 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
Heart
Placodes
Pharyngeal arches

That techiques is called "fillibuster" or "running off the clock".

I knew I would never get a straight answer from a liberal.

My only curiosity was how you, liberals, would wiggle out.

 

[Removable Mind]

That techiques is called "fillibuster" or "running off the clock".

I knew I would never get a straight answer from a liberal.

My only curiosity was how you, liberals, would wiggle out.

Your response proves that you simply don't understand human biology or scientific terms that describe the various stages of development (yet to be born) or (born).

 

[legalimmigrant]

A child gains the rights of a citizen at birth according to the Constitution of the United States.

You've failed to provide any information that indicates that YOU grasp any knowledge of human biology.

So, using the terms of human biology you know so well, what is the biological term just before child-citizen?

 

[Removable Mind]

That techiques is called "fillibuster" or "running off the clock".

I knew I would never get a straight answer from a liberal.

My only curiosity was how you, liberals, would wiggle out.

By the way, human science isn't driving by political philosophical agendas. Where you've come up with a "liberal angle" in this exchange, mind boggling.

 

[Removable Mind]

So, using the terms of human biology you know so well, what is the biological term just before child-citizen?

You're the science wizard here. You tell me. My answers only get me called "a liberal with some kind of agenda" to undermine human life stages of development.

 

[legalimmigrant]

You're the science wizard here. You tell me. My answers only get me called "a liberal with some kind of agenda" to undermine human life stages of development.

If you had a convenient answer, you would use it. But you don't so you duck.

Being honest is often a bitch.

 

[Removable Mind]

If you had a convenient answer, you would use it. But you don't so you duck.

Being honest is often a bitch.

I didn't duck, I didn't employ a convenient answer. You've accused me of spouting out some type of liberal agenda when replying to you with "legitimate scientific developmental stages of the yet to born. Consequently, you're not looking for a scientific answer. You want to play political philosophical games, which isn't related to the exchange at hand. This is again proof that you don't have any scientific knowledge related to human life/science development.

Either you know what your talking about (in scientific terms) or you don't. I suggest the latter. You haven't proven otherwise.

Again, human life development isn't a political issue as you choose to try to impart.

So inform and educate us all t\what the appropriate developmental stage label is that you've repeatedly asked for. Or bow out.

 

[minnie616]

OK.

Now, what about those stages from a zygot to a child-citizen?

Are you going list them or duck again?

There are terms used to describe stages of the unborn including zygote, embryo, pre viable fetus and viable fetus ( or simply fetus).

There are terms used to describe stages of the born including ...a premie, an infant , a toddler, a pre schooler, a youngster, a pre teen, a teen , or an adult.

 

[prometeus]

Your comment wasnt in reply to a question.

Stupid statement, better?

 

[legalimmigrant]

There are terms used to describe stages of the unborn including zygote, embryo, pre viable fetus and viable fetus ( or simply fetus).

There are terms used to describe stages of the born including ...a premie, an infant , a toddler, a pre schooler, a youngster, a pre teen, a teen , or an adult.

Is a "viable fetus" biologically different that a "premie"?

 

[minnie616]

Is a "viable fetus" biologically different that a "premie"?

Once born it breaths air into its lungs even if an infant CPAP is needed. Before birth the placenta and umbilical cord provides oxygen to its blood via the bio mother's life forces.

Changes in newborn at birth:

LUNGS, HEART, AND BLOOD VESSELS

The mother's placenta helps the baby "breathe" while it is growing in the womb. Oxygen and carbon dioxide flow through the blood in the placenta. Most of it goes to the heart and flows through the baby's body.

At birth, the baby's lungs are filled with amniotic fluid. They are not inflated. The baby takes the first breath within about 10 seconds after delivery. This breath sounds like a gasp, as the newborn's central nervous system reacts to the sudden change in temperature and environment.

Once the baby takes the first breath, a number of changes occur in the infant's lungs and circulatory system:

Increased oxygen in the lungs causes a decrease in blood flow resistance to the lungs.
Blood flow resistance of the baby's blood vessels also increases.
Amniotic fluid drains or is absorbed from the respiratory system.
The lungs inflate and begin working on their own, moving oxygen into the bloodstream and removing carbon dioxide by breathing out (exhalation).

Read more:

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002395.htm

 

[legalimmigrant]

Once born it breaths air into its lungs even if an infant CPAP is needed. Before birth the umbilical cord provides oxygen to its blood via the bio mother's life forces.

So, in a couple of seconds, getting the cord cut changes the 7 pounds of flesh so freed up to something else? Biologically speaking.

Did I get it right?

A simple yes or no will do fine. Then an essay if you wish.

 

[minnie616]

So, in a couple of seconds, getting the cord cut changes the 7 pounds of flesh so freed up to something else? Biologically speaking.

Did I get it right?

A simple yes or no will do fine. Then an essay if you wish.

Once born the premie/infant is no longer biologically dependent on the bio mothers life's forces.

Before birth it is biologically dependent on the bio mother.