What's wrong with a real discussion of IQ?

[Jack Hays]

I learned in 20 minutes what you couldn't do in what... twelve years of living there, you say? lol Kinda like you claiming you served in the military....oh, now it's the CIA, huh? You know, I'm having a difficult time believing someone who said they served in the military and then later admitted they didn't at all.

I never claimed military service.

 

[NoC_T]

Kalahari desert, Jack....

Jack's pride knows no bounds. That colloquialisms employed in a region he claims familiarity with should perplex him so, only belie his supposed fluency with the local lingo. This and his unwillingness to acknowledge the results of a Google search that can be undertaken by a child.

 

[ecofarm]

I learned in 20 minutes what you couldn't do in what... twelve years of living there, you say? lol Kinda like you claiming you served in the military....oh, now it's the CIA, huh? You know, I'm having a difficult time believing someone who said they served in the military and then later admitted they didn't at all.

Slander does not constitute debate.

 

[NoC_T]

I can certainly see why you would think that from your map, but apparently the mega Kalahari desert extends from the Orange River in So. Africa all the way up into the southern boundries of the Democratic Republic of Congo....

"...The Kalahari Desert - or Kgalagadi, as it is known in Botswana – stretches across 7 countries – Botswana, Zambia, the Republic of South Africa, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Angola and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). It's coverage in Namibia is called a ‘desert' principally because it's porous, sandy soils cannot retain surface water, but in some areas annual rainfall can be as high as 250mm, which accounts for the luxuriant grass cover during good years...."
Kalahari Desert | Namibia

"...The Kalahari Desert is an area of scarce surface water stradding Botswana, Namibia ans South Africa. This is part of the more extensive area which is physio-graphically ans sedimentologically unified, called the Mega Kalahari (Thomas 1984). The Mega Kalahari lies within the trritories of eight countries, from north to south: Gabon, Republic of Congo, Angola, Zambia, Namibia, Botswana and South Africa..."
The KALAHARI transect

"...1n the southern part of Africa the extensive Mega-Kalahari erg extends fiom just south of the equator in the Congo Basin (de Dapper, 1988) to the Orange River in the south..."
Mega Kalahari

The Kalahari Environment - David S. G. Thomas, Paul A. Shaw - Google Books

"...The Kalahari is not a true desert, but a semi-arid zone extending from the Orange River in South Africa to the southern reaches of the Congo...."
African Safari Destinations, Kalahari Desert, Botswana

Kalahari sands extend from the northern Cape in South Africa to the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Routes Travel Info Portal: Kalahari desert - Kalahari xeric savanna ecoregion

The Kalahari, which extends from the Orange River to the Congo, is the largest continuous stretch of sand in the world.
The Kalahari essays

The mega Kalahari can be seen as the orange area in this usda.gov soil map ......as you can see it extends up into the DRC....

Bigger view of map....

http://soils.usda.gov/use/worldsoils/mapindex/metadata/maps/afrorder.gif


Google is your friend.

lulz

Jack gets pwned.

 

[NoC_T]

Learn first. Then post.

She's not the one trying to save face, Jack.

 

[Fenton]

I think it's a bit ridiculous to think we've come to the point scientifically where we've mapped the human genome but somehow a objective test of innate human intelligence is impossible.

I think we are perfectly capable of measuring base intelligence with qualification.

But because there are distinctions, its considered junk science.

 

[Bodi]

I think it's a bit ridiculous to think we've come to the point scientifically where we've mapped the human genome but somehow a objective test of innate human intelligence is impossible.

I think we are perfectly capable of measuring base intelligence with qualification.

But because there are distinctions, its considered junk science.

It is possible. The IQ test is valid. It measures how well a person can figure things out. It isn't racist and it has nothing to do with socio-economic factors either. Those excuses are just people worried about other people feeling bad for having low IQ's. Apologists, as it were, that want everybody to be equal. I have a high IQ. Some dumb ass basketball player can dunk on me. So what?

 

[Jack Hays]

She's not the one trying to save face, Jack.

Ignorance speaks.

 

[Jack Hays]

Jack's pride knows no bounds. That colloquialisms employed in a region he claims familiarity with should perplex him so, only belie his supposed fluency with the local lingo. This and his unwillingness to acknowledge the results of a Google search that can be undertaken by a child.

This should end the nonsense.

Kalahari (desert region, Africa) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

Kalahari (desert region, Africa) -- Encyclopedia BritannicaKalahari‎

Kalahari, a large, basinlike plain of the interior plateau of southern Africa. It occupies almost all of Botswana, the eastern third of Namibia, and the northernmost part of Northern Cape province in South Africa. In the southwest it merges with the Namib, the coastal desert of Namibia. The Kalahari’s longest north–south extent is roughly 1,000 miles (1,600 kilometres), and its greatest east–west distance is about 600 miles; its area has been estimated at some 360,000 square miles (930,000 square kilometres).:mrgreen:

 

[NoC_T]

This should end the nonsense.

Kalahari (desert region, Africa) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

Kalahari (desert region, Africa) -- Encyclopedia BritannicaKalahari‎

Kalahari, a large, basinlike plain of the interior plateau of southern Africa. It occupies almost all of Botswana, the eastern third of Namibia, and the northernmost part of Northern Cape province in South Africa. In the southwest it merges with the Namib, the coastal desert of Namibia. The Kalahari’s longest north–south extent is roughly 1,000 miles (1,600 kilometres), and its greatest east–west distance is about 600 miles; its area has been estimated at some 360,000 square miles (930,000 square kilometres).:mrgreen:

Give it up, Jack. The Bushmen refer to it as the 'sandface'. Stop pretending you don't comprehend the point. Is it so difficult to simply admit you made a mistake? After all this shucking and jiving it probably is, but you could have bowed out gracefully a lot sooner.

 

[NoC_T]

Ignorance speaks.

Though not incessantly.

You have to sleep some time.

 

[Jack Hays]

Give it up, Jack. The Bushmen refer to it as the 'sandface'. Stop pretending you don't comprehend the point. Is it so difficult to simply admit you made a mistake? After all this shucking and jiving it probably is, but you could have bowed out gracefully a lot sooner.

"Sandface" is irrelevant and there are no bushmen north of the Namibia-Angola border area. Your ignorance is breathtaking.:roll:

 

[NoC_T]

But because there are distinctions, its considered junk science.

No, it's because it's junk.

 

[Jack Hays]

Though not incessantly.

You have to sleep some time.

Enough. "Ignore" list for you.

 

[NoC_T]

"Sandface" is irrelevant and there are no bushmen north of the Namibia-Angola border area. Your ignorance is breathtaking.:roll:

It couldn't be irrelevant since it's a pertinent fact. If not, then you know something Google doesn't. That may be the case, and perhaps all of Moot's links are irrelevant, also.

Conversely, you may be desperate to save face.

 

[NoC_T]

Enough. "Ignore" list for you.

Imagine my grief.

 

[Mr. Invisible]

Richwine states in the article that

If that science happens to deal with group differences in average IQ, the journalists’ surprise turns into shock and disdain. Experts who speak publicly about IQ differences end up portrayed as weird contrarians at best, and peddlers of racist pseudoscience at worst.

I’m speaking from experience. My Harvard Ph.D. dissertation contains some scientifically unremarkable statements about ethnic differences in average IQ, including the IQ difference between Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites. For four years, the dissertation did what almost every other dissertation does — collected dust in the university library. But when it was unearthed in the midst of the immigration debate, I experienced the vilification firsthand.

This all comes from a study (and dissertation) Richwine did regarding race, IQ, and immigration policy. In regards to this study, Richwine found "statistical evidence that Hispanic immigrants, even after several generations, had lower IQs than non-Hispanic whites." However, there were problems with his research as George Borjas, one of his thesis advisers, stated that " Economic outcomes and IQ are only weakly related, and IQ only measures one kind of ability." (Jason Richwine Hispanics and IQs: The Heritage Foundation scholar began researching race and intelligence at Harvard. - Slate Magazine)

A major problem for Richwine is the fact that he was obsessed with linking IQs and intelligence, when in fact, IQ tests can be due to other factors such as motivation. " A number of studies have found that subjects who are promised monetary rewards for doing well on IQ and other cognitive tests score significantly higher." (What Does IQ Really Measure? | Science/AAAS | News)

This isn't to mention the fact that he penned two articles for a site that describes itself as "dedicated to heretical perspectives on society and culture—popular, high, and otherwise—particularly those informed by radical, traditionalist, and nationalist outlooks." (Heritage immigration study co-author penned articles for)

There was a discussion about this idea, that there is an intelligence difference between races based on IQs that occurred just last year. It would be quite well for many to revisit it. http://www.debatepolitics.com/scien...ences-average-iq-largely-genetic-w-957-a.html

The 'study' in question was thoroughly debunked, however there were those that still held on to this idea that there are intelligence differences between the races, based on IQ.

 

[AngryOldGuy]

pshaw I would refer you to the 1st generation Korean shop owners that took up arms to defend their business during the Rodney King riots in neighborhoods being burned down by folks that have been here 400 hundred years

 

[NoC_T]

40,000 years? Wow.

USA. Cradle of civilisation.

 

[Empirica]

However....Chinese immigrants will become a dieing breed in America in a few more generations.

Not too far from now ....if China keeps growing ...while America keeps eroding ......why would a Chinese person want to come here?

Because only Chairman Mao's Communist Party and its friends are permitted to participate in the New Capitalist Revolution along with a small percentage of workers who toil in the factories for slave wages while the bulk of the Chinese masses still live under the gun of a totalitarian police state_

 

[AngryOldGuy]

Shush young lady they all want to believe all the Chicoms live in a socialist paradise.
hah yeah the vast majority still live an agrarian society in the hinterlands hmmm lemme look that up
oh here it is: when they cannot pay the fine for breaching the one-child policy

 

[mbig]

The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test
The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test
(2009)

The racial scoring gap on the SAT test has now become Wider than has been the case for the past two decades. Many believe that in the years to come the gap may grow smaller, not because blacks are catching up to whites in educational achievement, but rather because the test makers are adding a writing component to the test that may be manipulated to Lessen Racial Differences and therefore reduce public criticisms of the test.

For many decades The College Board has used a 200 to 800 scoring scale of performance for both the verbal and mathematical sections of the Scholastic Assessment Test. Now a writing component has been added to the SAT. From now on, students will receive three scores each ranging between 200 and 800. In the past a 1600 has been the best possible score on the composite SAT. Hereafter, the best composite score will be 2400. This means that this year's test results will be the last time JBHE will be able to compare black-white SAT scores based on the scoring system that has been used since racial differences in test results were first made public in 1976.
[..........]
Explaining the Black-White SAT Gap
[...]
But there is a major Flaw in the thesis that income differences explain the racial gap. Consider these three observable facts from The College Board's 2005 data on the SAT:

• Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points Higher than the national mean for all blacks.

• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points Higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.

• Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points Below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points Below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points Below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.
[..........]​

And I believe even those stats artificially narrow the actual IQ gap since those not qualified/not taking the SATs aren't even counted/considered.
There is also even a larger Score gap between Asians and Blacks.

 

[keith]

Thomas Sowell:

Race and IQ - Thomas Sowell - Page 1

From the link:

This is just one of many unsolved mysteries that is likely to remain unsolved, because doing research on race and IQ has become taboo in many places. My own research was financed in part by a grant from a foundation that told me to remove any mention of IQ research from the activities listed in my project's application.


They didn't care if I used their money for that purpose but they did not want it on the record that they had financed research into race and intelligence. Many schools and boards of education also did not want it on the record that they had cooperated by supplying data for any such research. Only when assured of complete anonymity would they let me into their records.


A well-known black "social scientist" urged me not to do any such research. His stated reason was that it would "dignify" Professor Arthur Jensen's thesis of a genetic basis for black-white differences in IQ scores. But my own suspicion was that he was afraid that the research would prove Jensen right.


As it turned out, the research showed that the average IQ difference between black and white Americans -- 15 points -- was nothing unusual. Similar IQ differences could be found between various culturally isolated white communities and the general society, both in the United States and in Britain. Among various groups in India, mental test differences were slightly greater than those between blacks and whites in the United States.

You have to be willfully obtuse to argue that there are not differences among different ethnic groups when it comes to average IQ or that these differences are not important.