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What's more important in a candidate?

What's more important in a candidate?

  • Moral compass

    Votes: 13 54.2%
  • Political ideology

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • Both

    Votes: 8 33.3%

  • Total voters
    24

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Is a candidate's personal moral compass more important than their political ideology?
 
Is a candidate's personal moral compass more important than their political ideology?

I would answer yes, a person's moral compass is more important than their political ideology. It does not matter how admirable a person's political ideology is if they would abandon you to drown in a river, or defraud you financially, or solicits bribes in order to further the agendas of the highest bidder.
 
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Moral compass. It's why I find Trump so incredibly atrocious, he doesn't have one. I'd vote for a principled republican over an unprincipled Democrat.

It's a bit like how Alexander Hamilton endorsed Jefferson over Aron Burr for president despite Jefferson being from an opposing party. He noted that Jefferson at least had solid beliefs while Burr had none.
 
How you do something is ultimately more important than what it is you're doing.

Batman vs Superman
Malcolm X vs MLK
Etc.
 
The only thing most people care about is political ideology.

I tend to care more about the issues. Which was not an option in this poll.
 
The only thing most people care about is political ideology.

I tend to care more about the issues. Which was not an option in this poll.

If a candidate has no moral compass, how can you trust that they're telling you the truth when they tell you they support the issues you care about?
 
At this point, a moral compass pretty literally determines which political ideology you have. Before the 1990's it would have been laughable partisan hackery to claim that a person with a moral compass would vote Democrat and a person without a moral compass would vote Republican. But years of culture warfare has steadily made that claim less partisan hackery and more just obviously true.
 
If a candidate has no moral compass, how can you trust that they're telling you the truth when they tell you they support the issues you care about?

Everyone lies. Obama said he'd never try to legalize millions of illegal aliens and moreover he didn't have the authority to do so. Then he did it anyway. Are you suggesting Obama has no moral compass?
 
Everyone lies. Obama said he'd never try to legalize millions of illegal aliens and moreover he didn't have the authority to do so. Then he did it anyway. Are you suggesting Obama has no moral compass?

Obama made as many false statements in eight years as Trump makes in nine days.

In order for Obama to have told as many falsehoods as Trump, he would have had to be President for 133 consecutive years.
 
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Is a candidate's personal moral compass more important than their political ideology?

Equally important to me. Large deficiencies in either area would be exclusionary. If it came down to morality over ideology, I'd choose morality, since any ideology that is not predicated on a moral and ethical foundation is not worthy of political support.
 
If your moral compass is flawed, your political ideology will likewise be flawed.
 
If you don't have trust, you don't have anything.
 
Everyone lies. Obama said he'd never try to legalize millions of illegal aliens and moreover he didn't have the authority to do so. Then he did it anyway. Are you suggesting Obama has no moral compass?

Obama made as many false statements in eight years as Trump makes in nine days.

In order for Obama to have told as many falsehoods as Trump, he would have had to be President for 133 consecutive years.

By the way, I derped and screwed up the math. Chalk it up to lack of coffee.

Obama told an average of .05 falsehoods per day. In order to reach Trump's 22,055 falsehood record, Obama would have had to be President for 1102 consecutive years.

.05x = 22,055

But that assumes Trump stops lying now. So just for equal comparison's sake, let's say Trump is President for two terms and continues to lie at an average of 16 times per day, this means that Trump, by the time he leaves the White House (assuming he does), he will have told a total of 46,720 false statements.

.05x = 46,720

So in order for Obama to reach this record, Obama would have to be President for 2560 consecutive years.

If Obama had been President in 540 BC, was an immortal, he would have reached Trump's final record today, 2560 years later.
 
Everyone lies. Obama said he'd never try to legalize millions of illegal aliens and moreover he didn't have the authority to do so. Then he did it anyway. Are you suggesting Obama has no moral compass?

So you're of the opinion that if someone lies, they have no moral compass?

And since, according to you, "everyone lies," no one has a moral compass?
 
my top issues are not being Tweety and win.
 
Everyone lies. Obama said he'd never try to legalize millions of illegal aliens and moreover he didn't have the authority to do so. Then he did it anyway. Are you suggesting Obama has no moral compass?

Everyone lies. Not everyone therefore has the same moral compass.
 
Is a candidate's personal moral compass more important than their political ideology?

You cannot separate the two on matters of policy that affect other lives.

i.e. Id on’t care if Trump pays all the porn stars in the world to touch his little peen. I do care that he hates Black people and effects policies to hurt them.


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Everyone lies. Not everyone therefore has the same moral compass.

Assuming that's true, what's your point?

Personally, I think the most sociopathic candidate in the 2020 election is Kamala Harris. She's an opportunistic liar whose main agenda is to promote Kamala Harris. She basically slept her way into power and called Biden a racist and a rapist before accepting his offer to be his VP. She's the Aaron Burr of modern American politics.

Biden gets 2nd place for picking the moral compass-challenged Harris to be his running mate.
 
Assuming that's true, what's your point?

Personally, I think the most sociopathic candidate in the 2020 election is Kamala Harris. She's an opportunistic liar whose main agenda is to promote Kamala Harris. She basically slept her way into power and called Biden a racist and a rapist before accepting his offer to be his VP. She's the Aaron Burr of modern American politics.

Biden gets 2nd place for picking the moral compass-challenged Harris to be his running mate.

But doesn't Trump have them both beat by miles? Didn't he spread a rumor that Barack Obama was not born in the U.S.? Hasn't he to this day refused to release his financial records? Hasn't he told more lies during his presidency than most people do in a lifetime? Didn't he attempt to coordinate with a foreign power to interfere in a U.S. election? Didn't he sleep with a porn star while his wife was pregnant, and then lie about it and attempt to pay for her silence? Didn't he brag about sexually assaulting young women? Didn't he say that laziness is a trait in blacks?

No, the most sociopathic candidate in the 2020 election is definitely the incumbent. Voting for Biden and Kamala will result in a net reduction in the White House sociopath index by a wide margin.
 
But doesn't Trump have them both beat by miles? Didn't he spread a rumor that Barack Obama was not born in the U.S.? Hasn't he to this day refused to release his financial records? Hasn't he told more lies during his presidency than most people do in a lifetime? Didn't he attempt to coordinate with a foreign power to interfere in a U.S. election? Didn't he sleep with a porn star while his wife was pregnant, and then lie about it and attempt to pay for her silence? Didn't he brag about sexually assaulting young women? Didn't he say that laziness is a trait in blacks?

No, the most sociopathic candidate in the 2020 election is definitely the incumbent. Voting for Biden and Kamala will result in a net reduction in the White House sociopath index by a wide margin.

Agree to disagree. Trump has his flaws and I didn't vote for him in 2016 and I don't expect I'll vote for him in 2020. But IMO Biden and Harris are far worse.

In any case, moral compass is not something most voters care about. They care about whether he does a good job or not. You would think the party of Bill Clinton would get that by now. there was a man with the morals of a rutting hog, but is a revered icon of the left and even spoke at the DNC.
 
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Agree to disagree. Trump has his flaws and I didn't vote for him in 2016 and I don't expect I'll vote for him in 2020. But IMO Biden and Harris are far worse.

In any case, moral compass is not something most voters care about. They care about whether he does a good job or not. You would think the party of Bill Clinton would get that by now. there was a man with the morals of a rutting hog, but is a revered icon of the left and even spoke at the DNC.

How are Joe Biden and Kamala Harris worse than Trump in the moral compass department?
 
How are Joe Biden and Kamala Harris worse than Trump in the moral compass department?

That Harris is worse goes without saying. She literally whored her way into power and lies like a rug without regret or remorse. She accused Joe Biden of being a racist and a rapist, then accepted his offer to be his VP. When asked about it, she literally laughed it off saying. "it was a debate". Yes, it was. And you're a sociopath.

As for Biden, if the rape allegation is true, then he's a monster who belongs in prison. And if he's not and he went ahead and picked someone who accused him of being a rapist and racist, then that shows a profound lack of moral grounding. Add to that family connections where he allows his idiot son to corruptly cash in on his office and he's practically running a crime family.
 
That Harris is worse goes without saying. She literally whored her way into power and lies like a rug without regret or remorse. She accused Joe Biden of being a racist and a rapist, then accepted his offer to be his VP. When asked about it, she literally laughed it off saying. "it was a debate". Yes, it was. And you're a sociopath.

As for Biden, if the rape allegation is true, then he's a monster who belongs in prison. And if he's not and he went ahead and picked someone who accused him of being a rapist and racist, then that shows a profound lack of moral grounding. Add to that family connections where he allows his idiot son to corruptly cash in on his office and he's practically running a crime family.

So you believe all this about Harris and Biden, but you don't believe the laundry list of offensive things Trump has said and all of the accusations against him? Is this because you have evidence for one and not the other, or is it simply what you prefer to believe?
 
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