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What's happening in Gaza

If you don't like wars, don't start them.
This is meaningless in the context of the fact that the Netanyahu Government is committing war crimes against trapped and helpless civilians.
You should pass that message along if you ever happen to talk with any Palestinians.
It appears you are not opposed to the Israeli Government's using food as a weapon against civilians.

Is there a particular reason you do not seem to see anything wrong with this war crime? Is it because the victims are Palestinians? Is it because those committing this war crime against Palestinians are Israelis?
 
My view on Hamas is that they are a resistance movement that has a legitimate and legal right to resist that often engage in war crimes ( terrorism)
Your view is factually incorrect. Hamas are not resisting anything. They are waging an illegal war of aggression.


My view on the IDF/Israeli state is that they also engage in regular war crimes ( state terrorism) but have NO legal right to commit the crimes they do against the people of Palestine.
Your view is factually incorrect. Israel does not engage in any kind of terrorism. And it is not a crime for Israel to defend themselves from the Palestinians.
 
Your view is factually incorrect. Hamas are not resisting anything. They are waging an illegal war of aggression.



Your view is factually incorrect. Israel does not engage in any kind of terrorism. And it is not a crime for Israel to defend themselves from the Palestinians.
But you do not see anything wrong with the Israeli Government's withholding food from starving Palestinians?
 
Yeah Israel has been engaging in settler terrorism in the west bank and the US literally trained south American terrorists to destroy democracies.

Even if we leave out the use of starvation as a weapon/action the IDF has been both targeting civilians for death and engaging in indiscriminate attacks against civilians...........that's state terrorism.

We also don't have to reference the likes of the Contras, the US has illegally attacked many countries in undeniable state terrorism

There is legal violence and illegal violence, illegal violence to further a political or ideological goal is what terrorism is.
 
Your view is factually incorrect. Hamas are not resisting anything. They are waging an illegal war of aggression.



Your view is factually incorrect. Israel does not engage in any kind of terrorism. And it is not a crime for Israel to defend themselves from the Palestinians.
Yeah they turn the other way actually. Settlers are pushing palestinians out of the west bank and the IDF does nothing knowing full well the illegality of it.
 
Your view is factually incorrect. Hamas are not resisting anything. They are waging an illegal war of aggression.

You are talking shite and that's why you aren't taken seriously

There is an illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine that goes back 50 odd or 70 odd years depending on your personal point of departure, they have the legal right to resist that and the war of aggression is the one being fought by Israel in order to create a Greater Israel
Your view is factually incorrect. Israel does not engage in any kind of terrorism. And it is not a crime for Israel to defend themselves from the Palestinians.

You cannot legitimately claim " self defence " against a people you are illegally occupying and that you believe you can only highlights your ignorance and bigotry further, as if it needed anymore highlighting
 
Israel needs to stick to its own borders.
Not when others attack them across those borders.


We’re done with this shit constantly excusing you.
We don't require excuses. We do what we want.


Yeah Israel has been engaging in settler terrorism in the west bank
Israel does not control the settlers.


and the US literally trained south American terrorists to destroy democracies.
We trained them to resist Communism.
 
Obviously they do and it's just your own willful ignorance at play here.
That is incorrect. The US and Israel do not engage in terrorism.


the IDF has been both targeting civilians for death and engaging in indiscriminate attacks against civilians.
Israel has done no such thing.


We also don't have to reference the likes of the Contras, the US has illegally attacked many countries in undeniable state terrorism
That is incorrect. The US doesn't target civilians.


There is legal violence and illegal violence, illegal violence to further a political or ideological goal is what terrorism is.
That is incorrect. Terrorism involves targeting civilians. That is why the World Trade Center attack was terrorism and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not.
 
You are talking shite and that's why you aren't taken seriously
That is incorrect. Everything that I said is true.


There is an illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine that goes back 50 odd or 70 odd years depending on your personal point of departure,
No there isn't.


they have the legal right to resist
The Palestinians are not resisting anything. They were offered a two state solution.

By rejecting all peace with Israel, the Palestinians are waging an illegal war of aggression.


that and the war of aggression is the one being fought by Israel in order to create a Greater Israel
That is incorrect. Israel offered the Palestinians a two state solution. It is the Palestinians who rejected peace and are waging an illegal war of aggression.


You cannot legitimately claim " self defence " against a people you are illegally occupying and that you believe you can only highlights your ignorance and bigotry further, as if it needed anymore highlighting
Israel was not occupying anyone until the October 7 attacks. Their subsequent occupation of Gaza is legal.
 
This is meaningless in the context of the fact that the Netanyahu Government is committing war crimes against trapped and helpless civilians.
I do not accept that this is a fact. But I accept that losing a war can be unpleasant. The Palestinians really should stop starting wars.


It appears you are not opposed to the Israeli Government's using food as a weapon against civilians.
Is there a particular reason you do not seem to see anything wrong with this war crime? Is it because the victims are Palestinians? Is it because those committing this war crime against Palestinians are Israelis?
It seems pretty minor compared to the crimes that the Palestinians commit against Israel. Or the crimes that China commits against the Uighurs.

But the main thing is the fact that all the Palestinians need to do in order to stop the war is release the hostages.

The Palestinians are hungry?? How do you think the hostages feel?


But you do not see anything wrong with the Israeli Government's withholding food from starving Palestinians?
Last I knew Israel was bringing in food, and people were condemning them for that. And Israel started allowing in airdrops too.
 
Not when others attack them across those borders.



We don't require excuses. We do what we want.



Israel does not control the settlers.



We trained them to resist Communism.
Israel certainly does control and abet the settlers. Um no we trained them to rape and pillage actually and destroy democracies to protect companies like united fruit and install military dictatorships that worked with former nazis to abuse and rape their own people. Your cold warrior shit is now being recognized for what it was, pure greed and fascism.
 
I do not accept that this is a fact. But I accept that losing a war can be unpleasant. The Palestinians really should stop starting wars.



It seems pretty minor compared to the crimes that the Palestinians commit against Israel. Or the crimes that China commits against the Uighurs.

But the main thing is the fact that all the Palestinians need to do in order to stop the war is release the hostages.

The Palestinians are hungry?? How do you think the hostages feel?



Last I knew Israel was bringing in food, and people were condemning them for that. And Israel started allowing in airdrops too.
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That the Netanyahu Government has been and is refusing to allow sufficient numbers of lorries into Gaza is a fact.

That means the Netanyahu Government has been and is utilizing food as a weapon against Palestinians in Gaza. This fact has been confirmed by more than 100 aid groups. If you want to try to impeach the credibility of the likes of Doctors Without Borders, go for it.

Unless and until you do, however, it stands as fact that the Israeli Government has been and is engaged in starving to death Palestinians trapped in Gaza.

THIS is what I'm talking about. Not hostages. Not the Uighurs.

That you don't want to face up to the fact you are effectively endorsing using food as a weapon of war is obvious.

God help you.
 
That the Netanyahu Government has been and is refusing to allow sufficient numbers of lorries into Gaza is a fact.
Not necessarily. The sources of these claims are known for lying about Israel. I am taking the accusations with a very large grain of salt.


THIS is what I'm talking about. Not hostages. Not the Uighurs.
Not focusing on atrocities but instead only worrying about "what the Jews are doing" lets me know how seriously to take the accusations.
 
Israel certainly does control and abet the settlers.
No one "controls" the settlers. They are civilians, not soldiers in an army.


Um no we trained them to rape and pillage actually and destroy democracies to protect companies like united fruit and install military dictatorships that worked with former nazis to abuse and rape their own people. Your cold warrior shit is now being recognized for what it was, pure greed and fascism.
That is incorrect. We trained them to defeat Communism. And they did.
 
No one "controls" the settlers. They are civilians, not soldiers in an army.



That is incorrect. We trained them to defeat Communism. And they did.
Nope, America backed psychotic thugs to brutally rape and murder their own people en masse, screaming “but communism” as an excuse as they committed genocide in places like Guatemala.

The idea that Israel couldn’t stop the settlers from attacking Palestinian civilians is comical.
 
Not necessarily. The sources of these claims are known for lying about Israel. I am taking the accusations with a very large grain of salt.

109 aid agencies are "known for lying about Israel"?

I don't think so. But, hey, you can try to impugn the credibility of Doctors Without Borders and the other 108 aid agencies.
Not focusing on atrocities but instead only worrying about "what the Jews are doing" lets me know how seriously to take the accusations.
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Again, crying, "antisemitism" isn't valid. And it shows you have no legitimate argument with which to counter the fact the Netanyahu Government is deliberately starving captive Palestinians in Gaza.
 
There's reporting from Gaza. A concern is if Israel's attacks are done as if there were no two million civilians there. It reports 30-40% of casualties seen are children; with children 40% of the population that suggests rather indiscriminate attacks. Remove the two spaces to watch this:

https://www.cnn.com /videos/world/2023/10/12/ben-wedeman-gaza-man-speaks-out-tsr-vpx .cnn

UN experts accuse Israel of "using thirst as a weapon to kill Palestinians"


United Nations experts accused Israel of the deliberate “withholding of access to safe drinking water from Palestinians in Gaza,” saying Tuesday that “using thirst as a weapon to kill Palestinians” violated international law.

“Israel’s blockade and destruction of civilian infrastructure has left most of Gaza’s two million residents displaced and without access to the minimum vital amount of drinking water,” the UN experts said in the statement. It added that move “has led to deaths and widespread illness caused by water pollution, and a lack of sanitation and hygiene.”

The experts said that since October 2023, when the war began, “Israel’s military operations have repeatedly targeted water facilities, wells, pipelines, desalination units, and sewage systems,” which has resulted in 89% of Gaza’s water and sanitation infrastructure being damaged or destroyed. This has left “over 90% of households water insecure,” the statement said.

CNN has reached out to the Israeli government for comment.

The Israel Defense Forces said over the weekend it had connected the power line from Israel to the desalination plant in Gaza, which would supply about 20,000 cubic meters of water per day.

UN experts are not UN staff, nor do they receive a salary for their work. They are independent human rights specialists appointed by the United Nations Human Rights Council, according to the UN.
 
United Nations experts accused Israel of the deliberate “withholding of access to safe drinking water from Palestinians in Gaza,” saying Tuesday that “using thirst as a weapon to kill Palestinians” violated international law.

They specifically targeted and destroyed Gaza's water storage early in the genocide as I recall.
 
Again, crying, "antisemitism" isn't valid.
That is incorrect. Opposing hate speech is a perfectly valid position.


And it shows you have no legitimate argument
That is incorrect. Opposition to antisemitism is perfectly legitimate.


with which to counter the fact the Netanyahu Government is deliberately starving captive Palestinians in Gaza.
That is incorrect. There is no reason to believe that hate speech contains facts.
 
Lot of info in this video, but one point is that the rogue state always destroys cropland as it leaves areas of enemies, and it has destroyed 86% of the crop land in Gaza, and there is 0% Gazans can access almost anywhere. Yes, the illegally use food and starvation as weapons against populations.

 
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