What's going on here ?

[APACHERAT]

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Yes Reagan served stateside in WWII, as a movie star making war movies. Jimmie Stewart served as a bomber pilot over Germany. I don't think an actor playing an Officer is the same. Reagan was a civilian who learned little more than the salute and it is what he stuck with...

But back to the Scuttlebutt insistence on who is the only civilian authorized or required to salute-

The answer is no one, it is just more BS from behind the Orange Curtain...

Just more progressive liberal cultural Marxism revisionism.



MILITARY SERVICE OF RONALD REAGAN


>" Ronald Wilson Reagan enrolled in a series of home-study Army Extension Courses on 18 March 1935. After completing 14 of the courses, he enlisted in the Army Enlisted Reserve on 29 April 1937, as a Private assigned to Troop B, 322nd Cavalry at Des Moines, Iowa. He was appointed Second Lieutenant in the Officers Reserve Corps of the Cavalry on 25 May 1937. On June 18 of that year Reagan, who had just moved to Los Angeles to begin his film career, accepted his Officer’s Commission and was assigned to the 323rd Cavalry.

Lieutenant Reagan was ordered to active duty on 19 April 1942. Due to eyesight difficulties, he was classified for limited service only, which excluded him from serving overseas. His first assignment was at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation at Fort Mason, California, as liaison officer of the Port and Transportation Office. Upon the request of the Army Air Forces (AAF), he applied for a transfer from the Cavalry to the AAF on 15 May 1942; the transfer was approved on 9 June 1942. He was assigned to AAF Public Relations and subsequently to the 1st Motion Picture Unit in Culver City, California. Reagan was promoted to First Lieutenant on 14 January 1943 and was sent to the Provisional Task Force Show Unit of This Is The Army at Burbank, California. Following this duty, he returned to the 1st Motion Picture Unit, and on 22 July 1943 was promoted to Captain.

In January 1944, Captain Reagan was ordered to temporary duty in New York City to participate in the opening of the sixth War Loan Drive. He was assigned to the 18th AAF Base Unit, Culver City, California on 14 November 1944, where he remained until the end of the war. He was recommended for promotion to Major on 2 February 1945, but this recommendation was disapproved on July 17 of that year. On 8 September 1945, he was ordered to report to Fort MacArthur, California, where he was separated from active duty on 9 December 1945.

While on active duty with the 1st Motion Picture Unit and the 18th Army Air Forces Base Unit, Captain Reagan served as Personnel Officer, Post Adjutant, and Executive Officer. By the end of the war, his units had produced some 400 training films for the Army Air Forces.

Reagan’s Reserve Commission automatically terminated on 1 April 1953. However, he became Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces when he became President on 20 January 1981."<


Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, National Archives and Records Administration

 

[Oozlefinch]

Just more progressive liberal cultural Marxism revisionism.

I always love how selective some people are in how they trash the military, or who served or did not serve in uniform. As for President Reagan, he did indeed join before the war started, before he even started acting. He originally joined because his career at the time (radio announcer for the Chicago Cubs) was in no way a "year round" job. So when Mr. Stewart was just entering the military, Mr. Reagan had been in for years.

Bob Hope was never in the military, should we yell at him for that? Clark Gable was a cameraman in the war, also making training films. Robert Stack spent the time teaching gunnery in the Navy. John Wayne also never served in the military. Tyrone Power was assigned as a cargo pilot.

But I am with you that I find those attacking people who did or did not serve to be petty and childish. Kind of like attacking one President and trying to tear apart his service, while defending another who was a draft dodger.

There is a saying in there about a mote and eyes.

 

[roguenuke]

I'm not allowed to do it so why should Hagel ? I've been in the **** and probably more than Hagel had and I'm not authorized to return a salute. I can salute but not return a salute.

Hagel having military experience under his belt should know what the regulations are. It's as if everyone in the Obama administration ignores the Constitution and makes **** up as they go along.

New Law Authorizes Veterans’ Salutes during National Anthem

October 30, 2008

WASHINGTON -- Veterans and active-duty military not in uniform can now render the military-style hand salute during the playing of the national anthem, thanks to changes in federal law that took effect this month.
“The military salute is a unique gesture of respect that marks those who have served in our nation’s armed forces,” said Secretary of Veterans Affairs Dr. James B. Peake. “This provision allows the application of that honor in all events involving our nation’s flag.”
The new provision improves upon a little known change in federal law last year that authorized veterans to render the military-style hand salute during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, but it did not address salutes during the national anthem. Last year’s provision also applied to members of the armed forces while not in uniform.
Traditionally, members of the nation’s veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag while wearing their organization’s official head-gear.
The most recent change, authorizing hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel, was sponsored by Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, an Army veteran. It was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14.
The earlier provision authorizing hand-salutes for veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, was contained in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008, which took effect Jan. 28, 2008.

News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs

Do you think there is some law that says you couldn't, as a veteran, render a salute to someone or the flag or the anthem, or even to a military member? Hint, there wasn't. It isn't a "banned" gesture that would get you put in jail or a ticket for doing it. The only place you might have issues with doing so would be on a military installation, and even then it would only be a talking to by someone.

 

[APACHERAT]

Do you think there is some law that says you couldn't, as a veteran, render a salute to someone or the flag or the anthem, or even to a military member? Hint, there wasn't. It isn't a "banned" gesture that would get you put in jail or a ticket for doing it. The only place you might have issues with doing so would be on a military installation, and even then it would only be a talking to by someone.

There is already a law and I posted a link.

Just like there's the U.S. Flag Code.

The nation has traditions, customs and unwritten rules and official protocols.

For example American citizens do not have to kneel or bow to monarchs. Any true American would never kneel or bow to anyone.

POTUS is never to bow at the waist to a monarch. Except maybe for Obama.

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Here is the link again:
Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates returns a salute from Marine Corps Brig. Gen. Melvin G. Spiese upon his arrival at the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center in Twentynine Palms, Calif., May 29, 2007. The mission of the 1.4-square-mile training base is to conduct live-fire combined arms training, urban operations, and Joint/Coalition level integration training that promotes operational forces readiness and prepares the troops for future deployments. Defense Dept. photo by Cherie A. Thurlby - Download Hi-Res
http://www.defense.gov/photoessays/P...SS.aspx?ID=330

That is utter nonsense.

 

[roguenuke]

There is already a law and I posted a link.

Just like there's the U.S. Flag Code.

The nation has traditions, customs and unwritten rules and official protocols.

For example American citizens do not have to kneel or bow to monarchs. Any true American would never kneel or bow to anyone.

POTUS is never to bow at the waist to a monarch. Except maybe for Obama.

No, you showed a change to a "law" that dealt with military personnel. Show me a single person ever convicted of saluting someone wrong or at the wrong time. I dare you. It would violate freedom of speech/expression. The government cannot make such a law that would make saluting illegal. Such a notion is ridiculous.

 

[APACHERAT]

No, you showed a change to a "law" that dealt with military personnel. Show me a single person ever convicted of saluting someone wrong or at the wrong time. I dare you. It would violate freedom of speech/expression. The government cannot make such a law that would make saluting illegal. Such a notion is ridiculous.

Go back and read it, it also dealt with military veterans.

Before G.W. Bush signed the new regulations into law, the only time a vet was authorized to salute the colors or salute during the National Anthem was when they were wearing the VFW or American Legion **** cap. Now any vet in civvies can salute the colors.

Now cops, firemen, even airline pilots are allowed to salute while in uniform. But if they are out of uniform and are not a military vet, they aren't suppose to render the hand salute.



But the topic is, a civilian who returns the salute to a subordinate.

Now anybody can salute anyone or anything if they want to. But are they going to hold that salute until the person they are saluting returns the salute ? He or she is going to look pretty stupid.

 

[roguenuke]

Go back and read it, it also dealt with military veterans.

Before G.W. Bush signed the new regulations into law, the only time a vet was authorized to salute the colors or salute during the National Anthem was when they were wearing the VFW or American Legion **** cap. Now any vet in civvies can salute the colors.

Now cops, firemen, even airline pilots are allowed to salute while in uniform. But if they are out of uniform and are not a military vet, they aren't suppose to render the hand salute.



But the topic is, a civilian who returns the salute to a subordinate.

Now anybody can salute anyone or anything if they want to. But are they going to hold that salute until the person they are saluting returns the salute ? He or she is going to look pretty stupid.

Again, show me one person ever charged or brought up on charges for returning a salute at the wrong time or to the wrong people or when they shouldn't have, particularly a civilian.

Do you know what happens to a military veteran who salutes when they shouldn't? Absolutely zero, nada, nil. I guarantee it.

Do you even know what was going on in that picture? I do. I just did that same walk back in September when I made Chief. There are only a very limited number of times when an enlisted person is saluted and returns it, one is making Chief, another is retirement. And we are enlisted servicemembers saluting. If you are walking through sideboys saluting, you generally salute back until you reach the end. That is how such things work.

 

[Oozlefinch]

There is already a law and I posted a link.

Just like there's the U.S. Flag Code.

Yes, and no.

Title 4 Section 1 is indeed a law commonly known as the U.S. Flag Code. And it is a law.

However, there is no punitive or enforcement regulations in place in regards to it. That is why people wear it as clothing, display it improperly, and even burn the flag as a form of protest.

Go back and read it, it also dealt with military veterans.

Before G.W. Bush signed the new regulations into law, the only time a vet was authorized to salute the colors or salute during the National Anthem was when they were wearing the VFW or American Legion **** cap. Now any vet in civvies can salute the colors.

And as part of the Flag Code, it is unenforceable. And attempting to enforce it would be instantly thrown out for "Freedom of speech" grounds.

The Flag Code is indeed a law, but it is more a formal writing of customs and courtesies. There is no body authorized to enforce it, there are no penalties for violating it. And as much as I feel it is inappropriate for a Veteran to salute the flag, I also do not feel I or anybody else has the right to have him charged with violating that law.

 

[notquiteright]

I always love how selective some people are in how they trash the military, or who served or did not serve in uniform. As for President Reagan, he did indeed join before the war started, before he even started acting. He originally joined because his career at the time (radio announcer for the Chicago Cubs) was in no way a "year round" job. So when Mr. Stewart was just entering the military, Mr. Reagan had been in for years. Bob Hope was never in the military, should we yell at him for that? Clark Gable was a cameraman in the war, also making training films. Robert Stack spent the time teaching gunnery in the Navy. John Wayne also never served in the military. Tyrone Power was assigned as a cargo pilot. But I am with you that I find those attacking people who did or did not serve to be petty and childish. Kind of like attacking one President and trying to tear apart his service, while defending another who was a draft dodger. There is a saying in there about a mote and eyes.

Oh tuck it back in...

First what was Reagan's eye trouble that prohibited from him going overseas??? I have NEVER heard of anyone who served on active duty being barred from overseas duty do to 'eye trouble'.... :roll:

I have GREAT respect for Mr. Hope and he went overseas far longer than Reagan. I am not trashing the military, just the flakey 'service' record of Reagan, a part time soldier in a peacetime military and then suddenly an eye problem that kept ACTOR Reagan firmly on US soil... :roll:

Mr. Stewart went over seas and flew bombers into the heart of Germany, huge difference compared to doing a war bond drive... :roll:

I didn't try to use military service to 'explain' why Reagan wanted to break 192 years of tradition, while even former war heroes who became President refrained from saluting their own Honor Guard.

YOU DID THAT

But do try and spin it as you wish... it doesn't change the facts

 

[notquiteright]

Just more progressive liberal cultural Marxism revisionism.



MILITARY SERVICE OF RONALD REAGAN


>" Ronald Wilson Reagan enrolled in a series of home-study Army Extension Courses on 18 March 1935. After completing 14 of the courses, he enlisted in the Army Enlisted Reserve on 29 April 1937, as a Private assigned to Troop B, 322nd Cavalry at Des Moines, Iowa. He was appointed Second Lieutenant in the Officers Reserve Corps of the Cavalry on 25 May 1937. On June 18 of that year Reagan, who had just moved to Los Angeles to begin his film career, accepted his Officer’s Commission and was assigned to the 323rd Cavalry.

Lieutenant Reagan was ordered to active duty on 19 April 1942. Due to eyesight difficulties, he was classified for limited service only, which excluded him from serving overseas. His first assignment was at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation at Fort Mason, California, as liaison officer of the Port and Transportation Office. Upon the request of the Army Air Forces (AAF), he applied for a transfer from the Cavalry to the AAF on 15 May 1942; the transfer was approved on 9 June 1942. He was assigned to AAF Public Relations and subsequently to the 1st Motion Picture Unit in Culver City, California. Reagan was promoted to First Lieutenant on 14 January 1943 and was sent to the Provisional Task Force Show Unit of This Is The Army at Burbank, California. Following this duty, he returned to the 1st Motion Picture Unit, and on 22 July 1943 was promoted to Captain.

In January 1944, Captain Reagan was ordered to temporary duty in New York City to participate in the opening of the sixth War Loan Drive. He was assigned to the 18th AAF Base Unit, Culver City, California on 14 November 1944, where he remained until the end of the war. He was recommended for promotion to Major on 2 February 1945, but this recommendation was disapproved on July 17 of that year. On 8 September 1945, he was ordered to report to Fort MacArthur, California, where he was separated from active duty on 9 December 1945.

While on active duty with the 1st Motion Picture Unit and the 18th Army Air Forces Base Unit, Captain Reagan served as Personnel Officer, Post Adjutant, and Executive Officer. By the end of the war, his units had produced some 400 training films for the Army Air Forces.

Reagan’s Reserve Commission automatically terminated on 1 April 1953. However, he became Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. Armed Forces when he became President on 20 January 1981."<


Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, National Archives and Records Administration

Fun to watch the CON spin avoid the topic THEY brought up...

I do believe the assertion coming from behind the Orange Curtain was only one civilian was authorized or required to salute the troops... the POTUS. But as before that tripe is false. But fling poo and deflect as best you can.... bottom line is you are once more wrong.

Reagan was a fair weather warrior and as soon as he felt a draft his developed some sort of eye 'trouble'.... :doh

But he always loved to play dress up, and a good staged production. Wearing an American Flag, saluting the Honor Guard all seem rather contrived.

far as John Wayne goes he refused to serve, not just didn't serve and many vets my age don't have much nice to say about him. We called false heroics 'John Wayning' it...

You bill to authorize vets saluting the flag rather than covering their heart.... more CON game, for YEARS prior to Congress blessing us with that privilege most vets I know have ALWAYS saluted the flag rather than cover our heart... can't say I recall anyone saying a damn thing against it.

But do try and muddy the water with a manner of off topic rat rumblings...

 

[Oozlefinch]

Oh tuck it back in...

First what was Reagan's eye trouble that prohibited from him going overseas??? I have NEVER heard of anyone who served on active duty being barred from overseas duty do to 'eye trouble'.... :roll:

During WWII they took in a lot of people they normally would not, and found stateside jobs for them to do.

Conscious Objectors, beyond age limits, hearing problems, vision problems, even amputees were allowed to serve in positions stateside which freed up others to go overseas.

Did you know that Sam Walton served during WWII? He had a heart condition that normally would have kept him out of the service. But during WWII he was allowed to enlist and kept stateside the entire war because of his heart condition.

Just because you have never heard of anything, that does not mean it is not true.

 

[APACHERAT]

Oh tuck it back in...

First what was Reagan's eye trouble that prohibited from him going overseas??? I have NEVER heard of anyone who served on active duty being barred from overseas duty do to 'eye trouble'.... :roll:

There was a time if you had flat feet, you couldn't serve. When they lifted the ban, you could serve but not in the infantry.

Reagan while serving with the Army Air Forces produced and made training films

John Ford was an officer in the USNR and documented the war in the Pacific with a camera and color film.

Both Clark Gable and Jimmy Stewart were involved in a PR stunt and served in Europe to help sell war bonds.

Back before the all volunteer military one didn't get to pick his MOS or decide where he would serve. There were no big enlistment bonus or reenlistment bonuses.

G.W. Bush volunteered for Vietnam service but was turned down because he didn't have enough flight hours under his belt even though he was an above average F-102 fighter jock.

There had to be over a million sailors who wanted to serve on a battleship during WW ll but ended up on mine sweepers, destroyers and troop and cargo ships.

I'm sure you have watched the movie "Mister Roberts" ? Based on one naval officers experiences while serving on a small Navy cargo ship during WW ll.

 

[APACHERAT]

Fun to watch the CON spin avoid the topic THEY brought up...

I do believe the assertion coming from behind the Orange Curtain was only one civilian was authorized or required to salute the troops... the POTUS. But as before that tripe is false. But fling poo and deflect as best you can.... bottom line is you are once more wrong.

Reagan was a fair weather warrior and as soon as he felt a draft his developed some sort of eye 'trouble'.... :doh

But he always loved to play dress up, and a good staged production. Wearing an American Flag, saluting the Honor Guard all seem rather contrived.

far as John Wayne goes he refused to serve, not just didn't serve and many vets my age don't have much nice to say about him. We called false heroics 'John Wayning' it...

You bill to authorize vets saluting the flag rather than covering their heart.... more CON game, for YEARS prior to Congress blessing us with that privilege most vets I know have ALWAYS saluted the flag rather than cover our heart... can't say I recall anyone saying a damn thing against it.

But do try and muddy the water with a manner of off topic rat rumblings...

Get your comprehension up to par, the topic is about civilians returning the salute when someone has saluted them.

Re: John Wayne, earlier this yeasr on Grunt.com the Dukes name came up. Oh, there were a couple not a fewe but a couple who talked like you but 99 % highly respected the Duke espicaly those while serving in the military during the 50's and 60's who had personal contact with Wayne. Unlike most liberal from Hollywood or most liberals in general. John Whayne never bad mouthed the military and highly respected those who served in uniform.

John Wayne did his part on winning WW ll stateside unless he was with Bob Hope on an USO show.

John Wayne was 34 years old, married with four children on Dec. 7th, 1941.

>"Wayne applied to the U.S. Naval Academy, but was not accepted. He instead attended the University of Southern California (USC), majoring in pre-law..."<

The Duke wanted to be a naval fighter jock.

>" America's entry into World War II resulted in a deluge of support for the war effort from all sectors of society, and Hollywood was no exception. Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status, classified as 3-A (family deferment).

He repeatedly wrote John Ford saying he wanted to enlist, on one occasion inquiring whether he could get into Ford's military unit, but consistently kept postponing it until after "he finished just one or two pictures".[30] Wayne did not attempt to prevent his reclassification as 1-A (draft eligible), but Republic Studios was emphatically resistant to losing him; Herbert J. Yates, President of Republic, threatened Wayne with a lawsuit if he walked away from his contract[31] and Republic Pictures intervened in the Selective Service process, requesting Wayne's further deferment.[32]

Wayne toured U.S. bases and hospitals in the South Pacific for three months in 1943 and 1944.[33] with the USO[34][35][36] By many accounts, Wayne's failure to serve in the military was the most painful experience of his life.[37] His widow later suggested that his patriotism in later decades sprang from guilt, writing: "He would become a 'superpatriot' for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home."[38]

U.S. National Archives records indicate that Wayne had, in fact, made an application [39] to serve in the OSS, today's equivalent of the CIA, and had been accepted within the U.S. Army's allotted billet to the OSS. William Donovan, OSS Commander, wrote Wayne a letter informing him of his acceptance in to the Field Photographic Unit, but the letter went to his estranged wife Josephine's home. She never told him about it.[40] Donovan also issued an OSS Certificate of Service to Wayne..."<

John Wayne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Oozlefinch]

There had to be over a million sailors who wanted to serve on a battleship during WW ll but ended up on mine sweepers, destroyers and troop and cargo ships.

I'm sure you have watched the movie "Mister Roberts" ? Based on one naval officers experiences while serving on a small Navy cargo ship during WW ll.

Good movie, which brings up the career of another actor in WWII.

Henry Fonda joined the Navy and was assigned to the USS Satterlee, a Gleaves class destroyer still under construction (even though he was well over the age limit at 36 years old). He served until shortly after it finished it's shakedown cruise, when he was given a commission and worked in Intelligence until the end of the war.

His first major job back in acting after the war was in the play Mister Roberts, where he wore his own uniform. Years later he would wear his own uniform cap in the movie version of the play.

The military tried as hard as it could to keep the famous out of actual conflict, because of the negative morale if they had been killed in action.

 

[APACHERAT]

Good movie, which brings up the career of another actor in WWII.

Henry Fonda joined the Navy and was assigned to the USS Satterlee, a Gleaves class destroyer still under construction (even though he was well over the age limit at 36 years old). He served until shortly after it finished it's shakedown cruise, when he was given a commission and worked in Intelligence until the end of the war.

His first major job back in acting after the war was in the play Mister Roberts, where he wore his own uniform. Years later he would wear his own uniform cap in the movie version of the play.

The military tried as hard as it could to keep the famous out of actual conflict, because of the negative morale if they had been killed in action.

"Mister Roberts" is my # 1 WW ll movie. I believe I mentioned that back when we had the best war movies thread.

The novel "Mister Roberts" is based on one naval officers experiences during WW ll.

 

[NonoBadDog]

What's going on ?

Is this an Obama administration thing ?

Just doing a snoop and poop on the web on this subject I found that VP Biden has also returned the salute when saluted.

Also discoverded that Marines were ordered to salute the First Lady, Michelle Obama. I seriously doubt she would return the salute because she don't like anyone who serves in the military. Haven't seen any mention if they are required to salute Valerie Jarrett or Susan Rice yet.

What's next, the POTOS bowing at the waist when meeting a monarch ? :lamo

Anyone want to go on a snoop and poop on Google images and see if they can find a photo of Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld saluting ?

Does it really matter? There is a regulation that states who will salute and who will return the salute but there isn't any regulation that prohibits anyone from saluting anyone else. It is accepted as a way to show respect.

If this is the only thing we have to worry about then it is a pretty good day.

 

[apdst]

SECDEF rates a salute.

 

[APACHERAT]

SECDEF rates a salute.

Even McNamare ???

How about Valeri Jarrett, she thinks she's the Secretary of Defense.

 

[apdst]

Even McNamare ???

How about Valeri Jarrett, she thinks she's the Secretary of Defense.

Jarret doesn't, no matter how much she think she does...lol!

 

[Oozlefinch]

Even McNamare ???

How about Valeri Jarrett, she thinks she's the Secretary of Defense.

Now this is not really unusual.

For those of us "old farts", the name Patricia Schroeder must sound familiar. I remember that I used to joke around that when "The Honorable XXXXXXX" was leaving some military post that the President was going to name Congresswoman Patsy Schroeder as the replacement and I was always rewarded with shudders. She was one of the most openly hostile members against the military, and constantly pushed for greatly reduced budgets and manpower, so the money could be better spend on entitlement programs, and was a favorite lampoon target among those of us in uniform in the 1980's.

 

[APACHERAT]

Now this is not really unusual.

For those of us "old farts", the name Patricia Schroeder must sound familiar. I remember that I used to joke around that when "The Honorable XXXXXXX" was leaving some military post that the President was going to name Congresswoman Patsy Schroeder as the replacement and I was always rewarded with shudders. She was one of the most openly hostile members against the military, and constantly pushed for greatly reduced budgets and manpower, so the money could be better spend on entitlement programs, and was a favorite lampoon target among those of us in uniform in the 1980's.

Busted Oozlefinch.

Claiming you are A-politico. Only a true conservative/pro military would know who Pat Schroeder is today.

Pat Schroeder was one of the first "New Left" liberals who served in Congress. Totally anti military, blame America first liberal's. If she was still around today, she would be hiding behind the progressive label.

Oozlefinsch is more knowledgebal about politics than the majority of the DP liberals and progressives.

 

[joko104]

That is sloppy saluting.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Busted Oozlefinch.

Claiming you are A-politico. Only a true conservative/pro military would know who Pat Schroeder is today.

Pat Schroeder was one of the first "New Left" liberals who served in Congress. Totally anti military, blame America first liberal's. If she was still around today, she would be hiding behind the progressive label.

Oozlefinsch is more knowledgebal about politics than the majority of the DP liberals and progressives.

Or simply somebody who is 50 years old. At that time every Marine I can think of knew who she was, because she was so outspoken about the military. Not knowing who she was in the 1980's would be kind of like somebody not knowing who DiFi is today.

 

[Jerry]

The law has been recently changed where veterans while wearing civies are authorized now to salute the national colors, military superiors and during the playing of the National Anthem but are not authorized to returning a salute.

When and where was a veteran arrested for saluting the flag for it needing to be authorized?

Whenever I'm in public and in uniform there's some civilian who salutes me. I return it even though 1. civilians don't have to salute anything, it's military custom, 2. I'm neither an officer nor a medal of honor recipient and so should not be saluted, and 3. the civilian is not an officer and therefore it's technically improper for me to return the salute.

I'm sure you're already calling the MPs on me.