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What you think is going to happen when (1 Viewer)

Whats going to happen to you after you die?

  • I'll experience nothing, no thinking, just as I was before living.

    Votes: 16 66.7%
  • I'll experience a christianity afterlife

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • I'll experience an afterlife with 72 virgins

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'll reincarnate, or other...

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Total voters
    24

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What you think is going to happen when you die. Its not a question of if, its when. Vote


I think a soul can be defined as "you" taking over your consciousness, is it really that hard to grasp? Why did you not turn up as another person, how did you get inside the body you are in now? What would cause "you" to get inside the body your in now? Your inside an extremely complex array of molecules that form many many cells, however breaking it all down your really inside a bunch of atoms.
 
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What you think is going to happen when you die. Its not a question of if, its when. Vote

The world will mourn for 5 or 6 days while I chill in the Rotunda.
 
The world will mourn for 5 or 6 days while I chill in the Rotunda.

Hahahahaha, I think your just going to get forgotten in the real world basically, just like everyone else. You think someone is going to recall memory of you 1 week after you die? A year? 10 million years?

It will one day happen... I bet most people hardly think about death, yet they'll have to face it one day.
 
Prediction: Lot's of humor will be presented in this thread as most don't like considering this issue (me included).
 
If I am lucky, a beautiful, heavily-armed woman on a flying horse will pick me up and carry me to the halls of my gods, where I will spend my days honing my martial prowess and my nights drinking and feasting with mighty warriors-- until the day comes when I can face a death more glorious than any I could meet in this world.

If I am less lucky, there's just no way of knowing. Lot of bad things can happen to a soul between here and there.

In either case, I am going to live as long as I can-- and evolve as much as I can-- so that I can leave behind a great legacy in this world and face the next as something greater than the mere humanity I was born to.
 
I don't believe there is any consciousness that survives death.
 
I was going to pick this one:
I'll experience nothing, no thinking, just as I was before living.
...but then realized that I am thinking as I'm living. :mrgreen:
 
I'm surprised that nobody else has posted an explanation on to how they came inside a specific human body. Any ideas?
 
I'm surprised that nobody else has posted an explanation on to how they came inside a specific human body. Any ideas?

Seems like my prediction is holding. ;)
 
Hell if I know, but I had an out-of-body experience once,which suggests that the body could survive to an extent whilst the consciousness goes elsewhere. Can the consciousness continue on without the anchor of the living body? Hell if I know.
 
All evidence shows that a working brain is nessessary for thought. Damage to said brain either through trauma or disease disrupts thought, memory, behavior, morals, even personality. While I would love to think that some part of me lived on after I die, I seriously think this is akin to knowing the next lottery ticket you buy is going to be the winner. Heck...you'd have better odds with the lottery.

........................ um... where'd the spell check button go???!!!!!!! I can't display my horrible spelling!!!!!!!!
 
Perhaps you die when all thought is lost? Even though a working brain is needed for thought doesn't exclude the possibility of an afterlife.

So how do you think you ended up in a specific human body? If so when?

Just because you are unable to recall memory of when you suddenly came in a body doesn't mean it taken right when your born.

Babies can be taken out of there mother's wombs and be living before the water breaks. I think that just because a baby thats to young cannot survive outside a womb doesn't mean its living. Ponder about it for a while.
 
Just because you are unable to recall memory of when you suddenly came in a body doesn't mean it taken right when your born.

I don't think "you suddenly came in a body" at any time.
"You"- what you perceive as "you"- is your psyche, your ego and id.
In other words, it's part of your own brain.
And it's a part that doesn't exist at birth, or in infancy.
Awareness of Self develops slowly, in scientifically documented and well-understood stages. It does not happen all at once; ergo, there is no point where you "suddenly come into your body".
More like, you slowly develop a cognitive awareness of your body (and of your surroundings, and of other people), via your five senses, and that awareness is "you".
Once that awareness is gone, "you" are no longer in your body, even if your body is still technically alive (a la Terri Schiavo or some old person with advanced Alzheimer's or something).
 
I don't think "you suddenly came in a body" at any time.
"You"- what you perceive as "you"- is your psyche, your ego and id.
In other words, it's part of your own brain.
And it's a part that doesn't exist at birth, or in infancy.
Awareness of Self develops slowly, in scientifically documented and well-understood stages. It does not happen all at once; ergo, there is no point where you "suddenly come into your body".
More like, you slowly develop a cognitive awareness of your body (and of your surroundings, and of other people), via your five senses, and that awareness is "you".
Once that awareness is gone, "you" are no longer in your body, even if your body is still technically alive (a la Terri Schiavo or some old person with advanced Alzheimer's or something).

I think your wrong, I think there was a point in where you never existed, and a point in where you come in existence inside a specific human body. Did you think you existed before humans existed? Not having awareness doesn't mean your still inside your body (dreaming, unconsciousness)
 
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More like, you slowly develop a cognitive awareness of your body (and of your surroundings, and of other people), via your five senses, and that awareness is "you".

Don't you agree that at one time you have had no cognitive awareness of your body, that any part of your body existed? I'm wondering how much time you actually spent thinking about how you existed in the body your in. Besides, a body is just made out of elements and molecules, materials that your in.
 
Don't you agree that at one time you have had no cognitive awareness of your body, that any part of your body existed?

In a way; this is tricky, because I don't believe that before I had cognitive awareness of myself, there was any "me".

If a time ever comes when I lose cognitive awareness of myself, I will no longer be "me".

There is no objective "me"; "me"- my personality, my feelings, my memories, my experience, my perception of the world- is a subjective construct created piece by piece over the years by my own brain.

Without this construct, my body is just meat; just an empty shell.

However, this concept of "me", even if it ceases to exist in my own mind, can continue to exist in the minds of my loved ones, who will still remember me after I'm not here anymore.

I guess what I'm saying is, just because a human body is biologically alive does not mean it's inhabited.
And an uninhabited body- a body without a mind- has no inherent value or worth.
And if a mind is no longer functional- let's take a brain-dead car accident victim, for example- that person is obviously no longer inhabiting their body. Their body is technically alive, but they are no longer in it.
I don't believe this means they have gone somewhere else, though.
I believe they have simply ceased to exist.
Whether or not your body is still alive, if your brain is dead, you no longer exist, either on earth or on some supernatural or celestial plane.
You only "exist" in the memories of those who knew you.
 
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In a way; this is tricky, because I don't believe that before I had cognitive awareness of myself, there was any "me".

Perhaps you might have had a cognitive awareness of yourself but have forgotten since you were to young to have memory to hold out long enough.

For example, I believe that ants don't have the thinking power to have cognitive awareness of themselves, yet are they living?

If a time ever comes when I lose cognitive awareness of myself, I will no longer be "me".

Do you think you came into existence when you gained cognitive awareness or before that?

A baby's heart starts beating just 22 days after conception.
Congenital heart defects: When your baby's born with a heart malformation

Did you know that the brain inside of the baby is making the heart beat?


There is no objective "me"; "me"- my personality, my feelings, my memories, my experience, my perception of the world- is a subjective construct created piece by piece over the years by my own brain.

And when do you think you got your own specific brain?


Without this construct, my body is just meat; just an empty shell.

Without the construct, your heart would stop beating and the muscle under the lungs would stop moving, since their controlled by the brain and your living tissue would die without support.

However, this concept of "me", even if it ceases to exist in my own mind, can continue to exist in the minds of my loved ones, who will still remember me after I'm not here anymore.

And what happens when your loved ones die also? So what if they remember you, its not an objective in life...
 
Do you think you came into existence when you gained cognitive awareness or before that?

I think my body existed before that; I think "I" (for the sake of this argument, let's pretend my name is Emmaline) I think that Emmaline slowly came into existence over a long period of time, as she gained cognitive awareness of herself, her surroundings, and her relationship to other people around her.
It's likely I will die with my cognitive awareness intact; it's also possible, however, that I, Emmaline, will cease to exist before the corporeal body I inhabit is technically dead.
This could happen, as I said, if a stroke, accident, or progressive disease like Alzheimer's destroyed the part of my brain that regulates cognitive functioning.
My body would still be alive, at least for awhile, but "I" wouldn't be in it anymore. I wouldn't be anywhere else, either. I would have ceased to exist, except in the memories of others.
 
I think my body existed before that; I think "I" (for the sake of this argument, let's pretend my name is Emmaline) I think that Emmaline slowly came into existence over a long period of time, as she gained cognitive awareness of herself, her surroundings, and her relationship to other people around her.
It's likely I will die with my cognitive awareness intact; it's also possible, however, that I, Emmaline, will cease to exist before the corporeal body I inhabit is technically dead.
This could happen, as I said, if a stroke, accident, or progressive disease like Alzheimer's destroyed the part of my brain that regulates cognitive functioning.
My body would still be alive, at least for awhile, but "I" wouldn't be in it anymore. I wouldn't be anywhere else, either. I would have ceased to exist, except in the memories of others.

I'm not debating the argument that people unable to breathe / have a beating heart are required to be on life support, everyone's going to die one day.

I don't believe you can slowly come into existence without at one time having to not exist at all, so at what stage do you think you came into existence inside a specific human body?

Do you believe you existed before organisms even can in existance? If so, what form would you have existed in.
 
I'm not debating the argument that people unable to breathe / have a beating heart are required to be on life support, everyone's going to die one day.

I don't believe you can slowly come into existence without one time having to not exist at all, so at what stage do you think you came into existence inside a specific human body?

I believe that if a baby was born and raised in isolation, it would never "come into existence" the way you're talking about.
Although ethics prevent us from testing this hypothesis through experimention using an actual human subject, I don't think you'd find many psychologists, psychiatrists, or behavioralists who would disagree with this hypothesis.
It is also borne out by rare historical cases of "feral children", children who have survived being abandoned or lost in the wild, as well as by a girl named "Genie", discovered in California in 1970, who had spent her entire life confined in one room, tied to a chair, isolated from all human contact.

Feral Children: case studies

Genie: confined child

These children (or adolescents, or adults) are truly feral; they have no understanding of themselves as human beings, or in relation to other human beings, and no capacity to understand these things; they have no language, and no (or extremely limited) capacity to develop language. Although scientists have had great interest in these cases and made every attempt to rehabilitate, teach, or train these subjects, they've had no real success; it seems there's a window of opportunity for developing human cognitive functioning (this would be before about age five), and for these unfortunate children, that opportunity had passed. Despite their best efforts, scientists were never able to teach them to talk, or to perform even the most basic human functions.
They had better luck teaching them to walk: Genie couldn't walk at all, when found (she'd been tied to a chair all her life) and she ultimately learned to walk, haltingly; feral children like the French Victor d'Aveyron or the Indian "wolf girls" Amala and Kamala walked on all fours, and although taught to walk on two legs, they were never comfortable that way, and continued to revert to their old ways of walking whenever they got the chance.

What I'm saying is, there is a developmental window of time when the brain is receptive to learning speech, and to the development of a "Self", the development of an understanding of oneself as a human, and in relation to other humans; if that opportunity is missed for whatever reason, a "Self" cannot really be inserted later.
These unfortunate children were animals. They could not be "taught" or "trained" to behave or to think as humans any more successfully than animals can. Animals can be taught to perform tricks, to wear clothes, in some cases to walk upright... but they cannot be taught to be people, any more than these children could.

So, yeah. Although scientists will never intentionally raise a human child in isolation in order to study the effects of isolation on the human psyche (it would be unethical and inhumane), it is clear to me that the human psyche does develop, incrementally, over a period of years; it is largely formed by three years of age and is cemented by about age five.
Even beyond that, however, our understanding of ourselves- our concept of what it means to be a member of a gender, a race, an ethnicity, a family, a culture, a community, etc- continues to evolve and expand.
Our self-identity is not really "finished" until we are in our teens, and even in adulthood events can continue to shape and change it.

This is what I mean by "personhood". I mean "self". Psyche. Ego. id. Whatever.
The frontal lobe of the brain controls a number of advanced cognitive functions, as well as motor control. The anterior or prefrontal area is involved in impulse control, judgement, language, memory, motor function, problem solving, sexual behaviour, socialization and spontaneity. Frontal lobes assist in planning, coordinating, controlling and executing behaviour.
Our "self" is contained in our brain.
It is possible (although not particularly ethical) to surgically remove a person's "self", while leaving their body technically alive.

All of this convinces me that one's "Self" is merely a construct; it is not any sort of objective entity, and therefore it will- cannot possibly- not survive the death of one's corporeal body.
Although in some cases, which I have already outlined (accidents, Alzheimer's, etc), the physical body can survive the "death" of the Self, of the capacity for cognitive functioning and conscious awareness of oneself and one's surroundings.
 
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Feral people still react to their environment, even if it is an illogical way to act. "self" isn't based on behavior of a person. Not having the ability to speak itself does not make you not alive. Any response to the environment from a person shows they aren't just meat.


You still haven't given an explanation on how your "self" got within a specific human body, and when this has taken place. Why did your "self" not go within someone else's body? Why that particular body?
 
Feral people still react to their environment, even if it is an illogical way to act. "self" isn't based on behavior of a person. Not having the ability to speak itself does not make you not alive. Any response to the environment from a person shows they aren't just meat.


You still haven't given an explanation on how your "self" got within a specific human body, and when this has taken place. Why did your "self" not go within someone else's body? Why that particular body?

No, my point wasn't that "feral people are just meat"; it was that feral people are animals, and they cannot be (or have not successfully been) taught or trained to be human, to recognize themselves as human, to respond to the world as humans, to develop a human ego or psyche.

A person with an organic brain dysfunction or a traumatic brain injury, however, in which the entire frontal and/or prefrontal lobe of their brain is damaged and/or destroyed, is pretty much just meat.

My point about feral people is, you were asking me when, exactly, your "self" comes into your body; I'm telling you I think it is gradually, incrementally developed or constructed between the ages of birth and about five years.
If circumstances prevent this from happening, however (as with feral people), it cannot happen later, as there seems to be a window of opportunity for people to develop those particular portions of their brains.

I think, the bottom line is, we're not even talking about the same thing, though.
I think you're actually talking about souls, and when ensoulment occurs.
And I don't believe there's any such thing as a soul.
 
I believe that just because a human may have feral (animal) characteristics still does not mean that it does not have a "self". Your "self" is not just the frontal lobe of the brain, take out any essential part of the brain and differences in behavior or life should appear.

Do you believe that at one time your "self" did not exist? So, if it did not exist and came into existence later concludes that there was a specific time in which "self" came into existence.

Heres an example, at one time a car accelerated from the driver pressing on the gas petal, then later in the future the car stopped from the driver pressing the brake petal. Do you believe there was a time when the driver had his/her foot off the gas petal and just started to press the brake petal? I believe its quite illogical to believe that "self" comes over time without acknowledging that at one time "self" did not exist.


You still haven't given an explanation on how your "self" got in existence within a specific human body at a particular time. Why did your "self" not go within someone else's body? Why that particular body?
 
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You still haven't given an explanation on how your "self" got in existence within a specific human body at a particular time.

Certainly I have; I constructed my "self" incrementally, over a period of years, as I gained cognitive awareness during the early years of my childhood.

Why did your "self" not go within someone else's body? Why that particular body?

It needn't have been in "this particular body"; it could've just as easily been some other body.
Everybody- in every body- does the same, so no matter what body I happened to be born with, I still would've ended up with a "self", although it may have been a different one, as everyone experiences the world differently.

Just because you don't like my explanation doesn't mean I haven't given it.
Repeatedly.
 
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Certainly I have; I constructed my "self" incrementally, over a period of years, as I gained cognitive awareness during the early years of my childhood.

Or your "self" has been involved in constructing yourself?

It needn't have been in "this particular body"; it could've just as easily been some other body.

That doesn't answer my question on what would explain how you got in the particular body that your in.


Everybody- in every body- does the same, so no matter what body I happened to be born with, I still would've ended up with a "self", although it may have been a different one, as everyone experiences the world differently.

Referring to determinism? Do you think that it was determined to have your "self" inside the specific body that your in?

Just because you don't like my explanation doesn't mean I haven't given it.
Repeatedly.

You still haven't given me an explanation on when and how and when your "self" first got inside the specific body that your in (the approximate time when your "self" did not exist and the time when your "self" just started to exist). Look at your reply, your not answering the question.

Do you agree that at one time your "self" did not exist? Do you agree that your "self" exists currently? If so, then do you agree that there was a point of time when your "self" existed out of non-existence?
 
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