What would the Paris attacks have been like if citizens had guns?

[Moderate Right]

OK, there might not have been much difference in the concert area but what about the other areas?

 

[Crimefree]

OK, there might not have been much difference in the concert area but what about the other areas?

It is reasonably certain that less would have been killed in any situation where firearms are used for mass murder.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Doubtful.

These attacks were well orchestrated to the point that a few armed civilians probably would not have made much difference. The attacks were quick, obviously trained for, and they were armed with variants of AK-47s and explosives. And we still do not have a full accounting of the events nor do we know that all of them are actually dead.

This is another example of Trump running his mouth, nothing more.

 

[ttwtt78640]

None, since the other areas (as far as I know) were a quick drive by shooting of a restaurant and suicide bombings at (outside of?) a sports stadium. The police had guns and got things under control at the concert hall after about 15 minutes of continuos shooting by (three?) suicidal mass shooters - the score (so far) at that event was reported as good guys 3 bad guys 100+. Even if guns were made legal there would be sufficient "gun free zones" filled with sheeple depending on (non-existent?) government protection for suicidal morons to rack up some fairly impressive body counts.

 

[reason10]

OK, there might not have been much difference in the concert area but what about the other areas?

Ever wonder why you never see an attack at a Donald Trump rally? No one really knows whether or not he's packing.

 

[Bootlace]

Tough to say. It would depend on weather a terrorist was shooting from a distance into a crowd or was shooting from within a crowd. I'm a pretty good shot with a .45 but factor in a massive load of adrenaline and it will diminish.
One thing for certain though, I would much rather have the opportunity to fail than fail to have the opportunity.

 

[PeteEU]

Arming people wont prevent attacks like this.

The US has had 294 mass shootings/terrorist attacks this year (up to 1st October).

9956 people have been killed as of 1st of October in gun incidents.. that is 33 a day.

And the US citizen on paper is armed to the teeth.... and that aint helping is it now?

 

[KevinKohler]

Sorry, but this is bogus. I support everyone's right to arms, but come on, guys! Having a 1911 tucked into your pants does NOT make you a commando, lol! Those shootings were ORCHESTRATED. The terrorists had a plan, and executed. Are they the best of the best, crack troops? NO. But neither is John Q public, no matter WHAT his paper target from the local firing range says. Yeah, you own a gun, and yeah, you go to the firing range, and sure, you might be a fairly good shot.



NONE of the matters in a combat situation that you have not trained for, physically, and mentally. It's not enough to just have a gun. You can't think that simply arming a few french folk would have resulted in a miraculous reduction in body count. WHO has the gun matters more. The terrorists? They trained, for who knows how long, to do exactly what they did. How many of you, and for how long, have trained in a realistic setting to return fire amid a mob of panicking people? An attack like this would have been just as successful in the heart of Texas, simply because we would have been unprepared for it.

 

[KevinKohler]

Tough to say. It would depend on weather a terrorist was shooting from a distance into a crowd or was shooting from within a crowd. I'm a pretty good shot with a .45 but factor in a massive load of adrenaline and it will diminish.
One thing for certain though, I would much rather have the opportunity to fail than fail to have the opportunity.

THIS I agree with. My rant was in no way a damnation of the idea of arming the populace, it's simply a more realistic view of how events would have gone done, guns or no. I'm a pretty good shot with a rifle, or at least, I used to be. But I never ONCE trained for a combat situation. I trained by shooting squirrels. And deer. And the occasional rabbit. SO, yeah, I can hit a moving target, dead on. But maybe not so well when the location of that target is in question, and mobs of screaming people all around me.

 

[Crimefree]

Sorry, but this is bogus. I support everyone's right to arms, but come on, guys! Having a 1911 tucked into your pants does NOT make you a commando, lol! Those shootings were ORCHESTRATED. The terrorists had a plan, and executed. Are they the best of the best, crack troops? NO. But neither is John Q public, no matter WHAT his paper target from the local firing range says. Yeah, you own a gun, and yeah, you go to the firing range, and sure, you might be a fairly good shot.



NONE of the matters in a combat situation that you have not trained for, physically, and mentally. It's not enough to just have a gun. You can't think that simply arming a few french folk would have resulted in a miraculous reduction in body count. WHO has the gun matters more. The terrorists? They trained, for who knows how long, to do exactly what they did. How many of you, and for how long, have trained in a realistic setting to return fire amid a mob of panicking people? An attack like this would have been just as successful in the heart of Texas, simply because we would have been unprepared for it.

One is trying to arm chair possibilities and that in itself simply cannot predict circumstances. To say it is impossible is just as incorrect as saying it is possible to prevent. The people who pull these stunts do this with planning and waking in to a hornets nest of opposition is not anything they do by choice.

Giving them gun free zones is just idiotic but nobody ever accused the supporters of gun control as being sensible, reasonable or intelligent.

 

[Crimefree]

Arming people wont prevent attacks like this.

The US has had 294 mass shootings/terrorist attacks this year (up to 1st October).

9956 people have been killed as of 1st of October in gun incidents.. that is 33 a day.

And the US citizen on paper is armed to the teeth.... and that aint helping is it now?

Yes and nutters used what gun control advocates have given them. Safe shooting ranges filled with live targets. They have become the mass murder place of choice by being GUN FREE ZONES. We like stupid stooges sit sending our children into one of these every single day be it school, mall or something else and never say one word. We even forget that when we come to vote and support the politicians who gave us this crap. Apathy has it rewards, make sure they are liked when adopting apathy. Make sure to remember who's fault it is.

 

[Threegoofs]

I'm thinking having hundreds of armed, confused metal heads would not have led to better outcomes.

 

[TurtleDude]

I'm thinking having hundreds of armed, confused metal heads would not have led to better outcomes.

you are making assumptions that have no basis in fact. based on the reports of the killers just walking around shooting people, the targets would have been obvious

 

[Threegoofs]

you are making assumptions that have no basis in fact. based on the reports of the killers just walking around shooting people, the targets would have been obvious

Sure. Woulda been great. That's why thinking people are all for fully armed crowds at major events like concerts, ball games, etc. anywhere plenty of people gather together and drink and take drugs.

Cowboy Utopia.

 

[TurtleDude]

Sure. Woulda been great. That's why thinking people are all for fully armed crowds at major events like concerts, ball games, etc. anywhere plenty of people gather together and drink and take drugs.

Cowboy Utopia.

we we all know you like safe working environments for mass murderers and Jihadists

we do not

 

[haymarket]

I'm thinking having hundreds of armed, confused metal heads would not have led to better outcomes.

It is pretty clear that if the entire population of the world were heavily armed at all times with the latest technology capable of killing lots and lots of people that crime would be eliminated and the day of nirvana would be achieved.

After all, is not an armed society a polite society? So just imagine if everyone was armed at all times what perfection would result.

 

[Threegoofs]

we we all know you like safe working environments for mass murderers and Jihadists

we do not

Yes. That's what I always strive for.

Didja ever notice when a person has a losing position in an argument, they always tend to caricature the other side?

 

[Threegoofs]

It is pretty clear that if the entire population of the world were heavily armed at all times with the latest technology capable of killing lots and lots of people that crime would be eliminated and the day of nirvana would be achieved.

After all, is not an armed society a polite society? So just imagine if everyone was armed at all times what perfection would result.

The South Side of Chicago comes to mind.

 

[countryboy]

Arming people wont prevent attacks like this.

The US has had 294 mass shootings/terrorist attacks this year (up to 1st October).

9956 people have been killed as of 1st of October in gun incidents.. that is 33 a day.

And the US citizen on paper is armed to the teeth.... and that aint helping is it now?

Without the stats on successful defensive gun incidents, your stats are utterly meaningless.

 

[_Sal]

more people would be dead because your average person is not trained to handle such a situation and everyone is Rambo in an armchair but not in reality

when some guy is armed to the teeth, dressed in black and knows he is going to die your average Joe Blow with an IQ of a hundred would likely shoot his own foot off or kill a few fellow citizens

my god that's all you would need is a few idiots pulling out guns

 

[countryboy]

more people would be dead because your average person is not trained to handle such a situation and everyone is Rambo in an armchair but not in reality

when some guy is armed to the teeth, dressed in black and knows he is going to die your average Joe Blow with an IQ of a hundred would likely shoot his own foot off or kill a few fellow citizens

my god that's all you would need is a few idiots pulling out guns

Yes, much better to be a defenseless fish in a barrel.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes. That's what I always strive for.

Didja ever notice when a person has a losing position in an argument, they always tend to caricature the other side?

Yes I saw that in this post

I'm thinking having hundreds of armed, confused metal heads would not have led to better outcomes.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I'm thinking having hundreds of armed, confused metal heads would not have led to better outcomes.

I am knowing that depending on a government response allowing shooting to continue for 15 minutes did not lead to a better outcome.

 

[TurtleDude]

more people would be dead because your average person is not trained to handle such a situation and everyone is Rambo in an armchair but not in reality

when some guy is armed to the teeth, dressed in black and knows he is going to die your average Joe Blow with an IQ of a hundred would likely shoot his own foot off or kill a few fellow citizens

my god that's all you would need is a few idiots pulling out guns

that's not based on facts but rather projection

 

[haymarket]

The South Side of Chicago comes to mind.

They only have problems and high crime because EVERYBODY is not well armed.

Remember: if a well armed populace is a good thing - having everybody armed to the teeth at all times is a great thing. Its only logical.