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What will you do if Harris wins?

What will you do if Harris wins?


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Tariffs are not always nonsense.

I'm clearly talking about the ones that are. This trade war with China kicked off the rise in prices of common goods. Then Covid struck, of which American companies chose to exploit. Today, "Made in America" and "Made in China" is robbing the American consumer equally. China has laughed at us the entire time. And, yes, it is proper to blame Trump and Biden for this current unhinged capitalist mess. Biden at least tried to pair his tariffs with a sense of job creation in America within the new renewable energy market (of which China was cornering), but that compensation was too close together. The perfect combo would have been if Trump embraced the need to develop a renewables energy market in America, and later Biden applied the tariffs to push that growing American market to Americans (and beyond.)

The border issue is a red herring. It can be fixed almost over night. Just arrest the people on our side of the border enticing them here by breaking our laws in hiring the undocumented.

Arrest the boards of Tyson Foods, Hilton Hotels, some chain restaurant and a few large regional construction and landscaping outfits; make them examples. The hiring of the undocumented stops. There are no jobs for them here. They stop coming. The now unemployed ones already here go back home, self-deported.

It truly is just that simple.

But your "simple fix" is to arrest the billionaires who write the laws, order private businesses to hire Americans who don't want the job, and then hope that bankruptcies for small businesses don't increase as small business owners prove incapable of paying American salaries in a capitalist system run amuck (Florida showed this last year). In the meantime:

We need to recognize that America's economy and business needs compliment the need for immigration. But we are too busy either whining about how brown people are "spoiling the blood" or how every "tired, poor, or huddled mass" is America's personal responsibility. They have turned this into an ideological issue or a crusade. This has been a mess ever since NAFTA proved to have consequences, when George W. Bush begged his Republicans to pass him legislation to reform immigration back before 2007. They refused. Thus, Bush and Obama relied on Executive Orders to create a sense of control and management. Trump trashed their EOs, then issued his own EOs that targeted legal immigration more than they did illegal immigration. Biden, by his third year, had issued more EOs than Trump did in four! And finally, with proper legislation this year, of which even the Border Control could get behind, Republicans scuttled it. They continue to rely on the border mess as an ideological talking point. Their wealthy Big Business donors know that this is BS, but they encourage the rhetoric, because it translates to votes, which translates to empowering Republicans, who turn around and give them ever more obscene tax cuts. America be damned. So there is no way this can get fixed "almost over night" with so many people refusing to actually look at the exponentially-growing issue.

Totally agree. We need a sound taxation policy rooted in taxation equity.

This too is an issue that so many people refuse to actually look at. This also compromises their delusions of Party, which chose long ago to stop representing them. The GOP and FOX News has successfully shaped the constituency to allow right-wing agendas. It is supposed to be the other way around. The People are supposed to shape the Party. Well, now their creation (MAGA) does. But let's see what has happened:

1) Reagan created mass debt by way of spending and tax cutting. He handed off the resulting 1% and debt to George H.W. Bush. Republicans rejected Bush when he began to address that debt with taxes. Enter Bill Clinton to fix that debt.

2) George W. Bush, after inheriting a surplus, cut taxes while starting two separate wars. He handed off mass debt and a Great Recession to Barrack Obama.

3) Trump inherited a growing economy, only to flip the tax code upside down. After purposefully mismanaging Covid, he handed off another economic Republican-made disaster with an extra $9.7T in debt to Joe Biden.

And here we are today, with MAGA pretending that they aren't responsible for this debt because those were different Republicans, but still pushing the GOP lie that all of this debt is because of social "spending." Not gross spending on two wars, mind you. But spending on social programs that tax payers pay for. Not the tax cuts that created a 1% within the 1%, but the social "spending" as if the New Deal did not exist when Bush inherited a balanced budget or before Reagan created the 1%.
 
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I'm clearly talking about the ones that are. (Tariffs)

Agreed but like I said they share the problem that once established they get baked into the economic cake. Leaving others with the problem of simply ending them causing more harm than good. Yiu have to back out if them. Not just yank the thread. The fabric unravels.


But your "simple fix" (undocumented immigrants)

I’ve pointed out precisely what give stated. Just didn’t go into here, thus time. We dint “talk it like we walk it” on this topic. This too is about threads. The undocumented are woven all through the fabric if our economy. Just yanking that thread in an attempt to remove it will cause a great unraveling. The damage done by the unintended consequences of that will likely be catastrophic.

My point is, it can be dine quite readily. However have you ever seen anyone address it the way I have,as obvious as it is that it’s the “cure” IF that is what was actually wanted.

We talk much poo-poo about undocumented immigrants in this country. It’s all horse crap. We want it both ways. Not possible. It’s one or the other. Pick.

This also compromises their delusions of Party, which chose long ago to stop representing them. The GOP and FOX News has successfully shaped the constituency to allow right-wing agendas. It is supposed to be the other way around. The People are supposed to shape the Party. But let's see what has happened:

Another red herring.

It’s not about political parties. It’s about corruption.

It’s about a representative democracy, a republic, where the only way a small group gets to have its way when there is a much larger majority that would align in their own self-interests against them as they are juxtaposed to each other is to keep that majority fractured.

We have a small group of very wealthy people who own things like media companies. They form and shape opinion. Their interests are aligned with other wealthy folks who own different things. They share some things in common. For one, they like getting richer. Another they share is they like running things. They think that because they made all this money they are pretty smart. Smarter than the rest of us so why shouldn’t they run things. How is it not in everyone’s best interests?

Well, it seems that doesn’t work out for them when the working and middle classes are left to their own devices, using that one person, one vote, thing to push their. POV and agendas. Majority rule and all blocks the “he who has the gold makes the rules” mindset.

So they keep that majority fractured that way the cats are busy chasing each others tails and the rats are free to eat all the cheese they can purchase. It turns out, our politicians have much cheese for sale.

It ends when we get out of our own way. Realize all this Left, Right, Liberal, Conservative horse crap is just that. Further realizing it’s actually about economic classes and that the working and middle class agendas align.

It’s not about us against them, the midfievand working class against the wealthy, we are all needed in a capitalist economy. It is about making the wealthy realize they are going to have to share better. The wealth of the nation can’t keep ‘trickling up” to the top 3%, and even more so the top 10th percent of that first percentile.

Power is going to have to be shared too. Their money has to get out of our politics. Corruption needs to end.
 
Lefties will be doing the same thing, weeping. But my point was, in case you missed it, that Righties have been mocking Leftists since 2016 but never see themselves. At least Leftists didn't storm the Capitol and threaten civil war.
Did you miss the summer of 2020? Leftist Anarchist thugs conducted a national campsign of violence, looting and arson. But hey, it was all just mostly peaceful.
 
Did you miss the summer of 2020? Leftist Anarchist thugs conducted a national campsign of violence, looting and arson. But hey, it was all just mostly peaceful.
The summer of 2020 was NOT storming the Capitol or advocating for civil war. Stop with the whataboutisms already, sheesh.
Betcha any money, if some leftwing loonie does something violent this week, there will be those who will still go...................... well, whatabout them riots in 2020.
Seriously, come up with new material :rolleyes:
 
You can call me whatever you want, all I've seen from lefties are insults, it's all they have. As for myself, I'm not quick to label myself.

I would consider a MAGA person or "Trumper" someone who supported him in the primaries, which I did not.
I'm just voting for the lesser of two evils in the choice between him and Harris.

In fact, for the last few elections that's what it has become.
 

What will you do if Harris wins?

Get up each day and pray to GOD she will be a good, decent, and most importantly a beneficial President to all Americans.
 
I dont know that I will do anything except possibly avoid DP for a few days. Leftists here will be insufferable if Harris wins.
No doubt. But the insufferable-ness may reflect the similar and unprecedented joy expressed in celebrations across the country that Saturday after Election Day in 2020. I have followed national elections since 1960 and never saw anything like what happened that day. And like then, celebrations would be reflective of the belief or hope that we may finally be freed from the insufferable presence of the Orange Bigot and his insults, as much as joy in the promise that Harris’s victory would bring. Of course we’ll have to deal with another round of “it’s was rigged” by perhaps the biggest sore loser of all time.

But Trump wins, I will likely open my veins, but still have time to post on DP Joe Hill’s message as he faced death: “Don’t mourn, organize.” (Cf. Joan Baez’s great version of the old folk song, “I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night.”)

Brace yourselves for Wednesday.
 
I will be sad for the future. Too many countries are chomping at the bit for a sign of America weaking and falling apart from within. JMO.

Well, we're presently already there. Biden calls Trump supporters garbage. He also said he wants to slap Republicans in the ass. He's a disgrace, but seriously, who presently is running this country? I don't know if we can take another two and a half months of this clown.
 
I understand your skepticism, especially as you say, given her career up to this point. It wouldn’t be a surprise to me to see her take a hard left once she got into office but I think it’s only fair to wait and see.
Don't worry. The RW SC won't let her take a hard left even if she wanted too. She won't do that much different than Biden has been, and he's led the US to the best economy we've seen perhaps since WWII. What I do see her possibly doing is saying no to Bibi Netanyahu.
 
The summer of 2020 was NOT storming the Capitol or advocating for civil war. Stop with the whataboutisms already, sheesh.
Betcha any money, if some leftwing loonie does something violent this week, there will be those who will still go...................... well, whatabout them riots in 2020.
Seriously, come up with new material :rolleyes:
Seriously, inform yourself about the agenda of the rioters. The anarchists weren't demanding civil war they were waging it. Burning police stations, demanding defunding, laying siege to a courthouse and assaulting the WH, sheesh it's classic insurrection.
 
Seriously, inform yourself about the agenda of the rioters. The anarchists weren't demanding civil war they were waging it. Burning police stations, demanding defunding, laying siege to a courthouse and assaulting the WH, sheesh it's classic insurrection.
Ok, you stick with that if you soothes you.
 
Well, we're presently already there. Biden calls Trump supporters garbage. He also said he wants to slap Republicans in the ass. He's a disgrace, but seriously, who presently is running this country? I don't know if we can take another two and a half months of this clown.
Anyone who supports a sexual deviant, convicted felon, financial fraud and a classified document thief is a piece of garbage. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
 
Anyone who supports a sexual deviant, convicted felon, financial fraud and a classified document thief is a piece of garbage. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
So basically, MAGA sycophants and probably a large contingent of conservatives, right?
 
So basically, MAGA sycophants and probably a large contingent of conservatives, right?
At the very least, MAGA cultists yes. Real conservatives don't support Trump. Some hold their nose and vote for him because 'Tribe'. Many are voting for Harris.
 
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