What to do now?

[Luckyone]

I look at this in conjunction with that "17 intel agency" nonsense that Obama's 2 top intel people foisted upon the American people. That report is the basis of all this "Russian meddling" blather coming from everyone...from politicians, to current intel people, to Mueller and from the multimedia. That report was a joke.

Some of that stuff in the report was basic hacking stuff that anyone could do...even you, if you wanted to. It's not hard. Other stuff...attributed to "Russians" of some kind...is not necessarily Russians. Everyone...from US cyber experts, to Russian experts...Chinese experts...all have the ability to spoof the tracks to make it look like the hacking came from some place or someone totally different than where it actually came from. The report makes NO mention of that at all. Basically, that report was tailored to point the finger at Russians with no real proof that Russians were actually involved.

So...yes...it's easy for some to say, dishonestly in my opinion, that Russia attempted some hacking. And heck, maybe they did...but I'm not convinced. If one is being honest about it, there is enough of a question that a denial by Putin MUST be taken seriously...at least, until we find out differently. I see Trump as being honest about it.

So...no...Trump has not thrown our intelligence community under the bus. He is honestly questioning the insufficient facts that "some" in the intelligence community are insisting that everything be based upon.

Now...I think this whole "Russia" thing should be left alone. They did NOT affect our election. The voters voted. Trump was elected properly. Trump and the people who work for him need to increase our protection from further attempts...from any direction...from any country.

Get over it...and move on.

First of all, let me thank you for taking your time to answer the question more in the nature of what the question was. It is appreciated.

Nonetheless, one of the problems with your assessment is that if we follow through with your thinking then we need to question EVERYTHING and if that is the case, then we also need to question Trump as he would be as likely to make up things as our intelligence community and as well as Putin.

Though mistakes can and been made throughout history, one of the basics on any society is to depend on the institutions that were put there for security and non-profit. Certainly institutions that are put together for Profit, such as IBM and AAPL, need to be questioned on what their motives are for doing something when it comes to profit. Institutions for politics, such as the Republican party and the Democratic party need to be questioned on their political motives. Nonetheless, institutions such as the Justice Department, the Defense Department and such need to be generally respected for their findings unless it can be proven without any doubt that they did not act in the interests they were meant for and then not only the the principals but all involved with the institution itself.

In those cases that you might disagree with, you still need to side in their favor of the U.S. against foreign opinions since that is what Patriotism is all about. In my humble opinion, you are being unpatriotic, given that you are leaning toward the foreign power's opinion. What is worse, is that you are leaning in favor of a President that is in a known autocracy and a person that his entire background (KGB) is built on deceit, lying, and strength over weakness. You need to always trust your Nation over the trust of 1 person in the nation (Trump) because Trump has already proven that he is either a liar or incompetent (having bankrupted 6 companies and left over 3500 companies he used unpaid for their services).

Blind faith in one person with such a track record, over your Patriotism for your nation is wrong.

For this reason, I believe you are totally wrong in your way of thinking

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

We have certainly spent a lot of time and energy talking about what Trump did at Helsinki and what he has done since. It is sickening but now attention needs to be turned around to "what can be done now to address this problem?" Mentioning the problem should now be over. It is time for action.

I would like to hear ideas of what all of us can do to make this situation better. Evidently, there is little we can personally do right now as the only ones with power to do something is the House and the Senate. Nonetheless, lets talk about how we can affect the House and the Senate and what we can do between now and the November elections to start changing the narrative that is being seen now.

Out With the Old

A Call to Service

 

[Luckyone]

you asked what we thought we should do now about the other day. I answered with my thoughts about what I am going to do due to Helsinki and the other items. to me they aren't separate. his comments also don't matter unless proof is shown of a crime... to me , anyway.

Does that mean that what a person says is inconsequential? That a person can literally lie all the time and that it should be ignored?

 

[Luckyone]

One of the issues for a big public outcry, which has not yet occurred, is that if you pull the trigger too soon, it won't regenerate it's power for a long time, if ever.

The biggest crack will come when Mueller concludes.
Prematurely, the biggest crack that should trigger that, would be any big action to obstruct overtly, like firing Rosenstein, Mueller, etc., or big pardons. Worst case, it's if there is an election wave, which result in the power to investigate things to conclusion, rather than be obstructed by Republicans in the House and Senate to a degree.

Until then, we can heckle him, make fun him, evidence his lies, be outraged at his outrageous behavior, and of course take apart the stupid defenses of him, etc. But he is president, and the house and senate are Republican. They are traditionally the party of criminals, they are all about ends justify the means, don't expect them to find a soul any time soon.

I agree, the party's are what they are and finding a soul in them cannot be expected. Nonetheless, this certainly means that we have to be more careful on who we choose to be in the House and the Senate and that we hold them in some way accountable for what happens to us.

 

[Luckyone]

-- Resolve to vote for elected representatives who oppose Trump and then carry through come November.
-- Get people registered to vote.

Hallelujah!

 

[Luckyone]

He corrected that but, if your were Trump would you take advice from people seeking your destruction?

First of all, he did not correct anything. He said that he meant wouldn't instead of would but that wasn't the actual problem. He said that Putin had told him in a strong way that he did not meddle and Trump said "I believe him". That was the the problem and that was NOT corrected.

as far as your contention about people seeking your destruction, do you mean the intelligence community is seeking the destruction of Trump? and if that is what you mean, do you actually believe that Russia is seeking to help us and that we should take Putin's advice?

Please let me know as I am curious as to your spin on this.

 

[yankintx]

We have certainly spent a lot of time and energy talking about what Trump did at Helsinki and what he has done since. It is sickening but now attention needs to be turned around to "what can be done now to address this problem?" Mentioning the problem should now be over. It is time for action.

I would like to hear ideas of what all of us can do to make this situation better. Evidently, there is little we can personally do right now as the only ones with power to do something is the House and the Senate. Nonetheless, lets talk about how we can affect the House and the Senate and what we can do between now and the November elections to start changing the narrative that is being seen now.

Vote, please !!

 

[Hicup]

Obama weaponized our "intelligence" community, almost the instant he was elected. He weaponized the DOJ, FBI, and IRS, oh and lets not forget the EPA.. Trump, for all his faults, is right to throw them under the bus. He should throw them all out and start over, frankly. they made so many mistakes, and misinformed under Obama that there is little to almost no credibility from them. this is NOT to suggest that everyone that works in our intelligence communities is corrupted, but it becomes glaringly obvious that the leadership in those agencies were and continue to be corrupt. I think, personally, that Trump has a pretty good read on Putin, he thinks he can work with him to benefit both nations, and even perhaps have something in the works regarding China..

He said long ago during the election cycle that he has no plans to broadcast his strategies for foreign policy to anyone other than close confidants. I see he walked that comment back, although, I wouldn't have, but I see the political reasons why he did, but not the pragmatist reasons. I think tapped into something no one saw was there, and not only did he tap into it in the US, but it seems to have caught on in other Western Democracies, and that worries a whole hell of a lot of establishment types.. His support is stronger than ever, and unlike past GOP presidents, he has no problem getting dirty.. We like that, the days of Republican statesmanship, and gentleman politeness in the wake of dem and MSM criticism, even if unfair, are gone. We can thank Trump for this, and GOP voters will forever be looking for fighters, not wussies. Talk with now always be cheap, and you better have a record of fighting the good fight or just move on sunshine..

We are in the mass information age where anything can be said, and shared, and forwarded and no one seems to care. You can't win elections staying passive, and if you have no proactive plan to fight back, you're toast!

The dems, and the media sycophants are firmly of the belief that the dems will really hand it to the GOP in the mid-terms.. I think they're in for a very ruse awakening. Their losing portions of their black base, their latino base, their white educated women base.. They need all of these to be very high in turnout to win, and that was true in the past, it gets much harder now since black, especially, are turning to results oriented voting. They're not stupid, they see black unemployment at its lowest level in HISTORY and remember the comments Trump made during the election. "what have you got to lose"..

Trump keeps winning, and only foolish democrats believe otherwise, and their only angle is that Trump bad.. IT WILL NOT WORK~


Tim-

 

[Luckyone]

Obama weaponized our "intelligence" community, almost the instant he was elected. He weaponized the DOJ, FBI, and IRS, oh and lets not forget the EPA.. Trump, for all his faults, is right to throw them under the bus. He should throw them all out and start over, frankly. they made so many mistakes, and misinformed under Obama that there is little to almost no credibility from them. this is NOT to suggest that everyone that works in our intelligence communities is corrupted, but it becomes glaringly obvious that the leadership in those agencies were and continue to be corrupt. I think, personally, that Trump has a pretty good read on Putin, he thinks he can work with him to benefit both nations, and even perhaps have something in the works regarding China..

He said long ago during the election cycle that he has no plans to broadcast his strategies for foreign policy to anyone other than close confidants. I see he walked that comment back, although, I wouldn't have, but I see the political reasons why he did, but not the pragmatist reasons. I think tapped into something no one saw was there, and not only did he tap into it in the US, but it seems to have caught on in other Western Democracies, and that worries a whole hell of a lot of establishment types.. His support is stronger than ever, and unlike past GOP presidents, he has no problem getting dirty.. We like that, the days of Republican statesmanship, and gentleman politeness in the wake of dem and MSM criticism, even if unfair, are gone. We can thank Trump for this, and GOP voters will forever be looking for fighters, not wussies. Talk with now always be cheap, and you better have a record of fighting the good fight or just move on sunshine..

We are in the mass information age where anything can be said, and shared, and forwarded and no one seems to care. You can't win elections staying passive, and if you have no proactive plan to fight back, you're toast!

The dems, and the media sycophants are firmly of the belief that the dems will really hand it to the GOP in the mid-terms.. I think they're in for a very ruse awakening. Their losing portions of their black base, their latino base, their white educated women base.. They need all of these to be very high in turnout to win, and that was true in the past, it gets much harder now since black, especially, are turning to results oriented voting. They're not stupid, they see black unemployment at its lowest level in HISTORY and remember the comments Trump made during the election. "what have you got to lose"..

Trump keeps winning, and only foolish democrats believe otherwise, and their only angle is that Trump bad.. IT WILL NOT WORK~


Tim-

I have one big problem with your comment.

Trusting that Trump knows what he is doing is dangerous given that having been given $14 million by his father to start his life off and given experience by his father on how to run a business, Trump still bankrupted 6 companies and lost over 39 lawsuits against him, including the last one where he paid $25 million to settle the lawsuit against Trump University.

These events are not Fake News by the media, it was all Trump and no one made him do it or pushed him to those decisions. As such, his track record of knowing what to do is cloudy at best. Please understand that when it comes to a nation (not a business), one single bankruptcy means death of the nation. In the case of 1 bad decision politically against a nation that clearly wishes us ill, can mean that we lose our nation to a foreign power. As such, you and all of us (especially those pro-Trump) need to make extra-sure that each and every decision he makes is the right one and NOT blindly follow what he says because when he makes a mistake it will be TOO LATE for any of us to change it.

What you personally need to do is stop listening to Trump or to the media and look at each one of the decisions he makes and the possible repercussions of what he says. Everything in life has repercussions as well as benefits and by doing a better job the probabilities of the right decision being made increases.

We do know is that Trump does not like to read, he does not prepare, and "shoots from the hip". He trusts his instincts and does not listen to others that have different opinions even among those he has chosen to be close to him. Do you believe this is the right game plan for success 100% of the time? Is this way of doing things increase or decrease the chances of success? In your own life and experience, has this kind of doing things been successful for you? have you gone to a job interview with no resume and gotten the job? If you did, did it happen a second time, a third time, and a fourth time, etc.....

This is what you need to be considering. In history, blind faith in someone has more often than not led to huge disappointment.

 

[Hicup]

I have one big problem with your comment.

A cursory glance shows that you seem to have more than one big problem with my comments..

Trusting that Trump knows what he is doing is dangerous given that having been given $14 million by his father to start his life off and given experience by his father on how to run a business, Trump still bankrupted 6 companies and lost over 39 lawsuits against him, including the last one where he paid $25 million to settle the lawsuit against Trump University.

Although this can sometimes bear out as true, I don't think it is in the case of Trump business dealings. Sure people can look at the Bankruptcies and say, see he doesn't know what he is doing, but the truth is that when you have your hands in so many different business forays, you tend to make mistakes, eventually. Kodak, was handed the patents for digital cameras, way before anyone else had them, and they ignored it.. Xerox, the same with the graphical OS.. The list is extensive.. What Trump has shown is that he's learned from making long term mistakes hoping the people he picks to run these things will get better at their jobs. He's shown us already that he's not shy about firing his cabinet, or any other clown that does it wrong. Obama never fired anyone, why? I suspect that is because they all "knew" the plan, "by any means necessary".. Speculation, of course, but I stand by it.

These events are not Fake News by the media, it was all Trump and no one made him do it or pushed him to those decisions. As such, his track record of knowing what to do is cloudy at best. Please understand that when it comes to a nation (not a business), one single bankruptcy means death of the nation. In the case of 1 bad decision politically against a nation that clearly wishes us ill, can mean that we lose our nation to a foreign power. As such, you and all of us (especially those pro-Trump) need to make extra-sure that each and every decision he makes is the right one and NOT blindly follow what he says because when he makes a mistake it will be TOO LATE for any of us to change it.

Um, sorry, but that is pure nonsense... Obama, made plenty of mistakes, especially foreign policy, and Trump is cleaning it all up now. I like what Trump is doing internationally, I understand you don't and I get it, but a lot of it makes perfect sense, even if you are unable to see the virtue in it.

What you personally need to do is stop listening to Trump or to the media and look at each one of the decisions he makes and the possible repercussions of what he says. Everything in life has repercussions as well as benefits and by doing a better job the probabilities of the right decision being made increases.

I don't listen to Trump or the Media, that is your first mistake. He is not an eloquent speaker, Trump is action oriented. Look at his results, not how he gets there, and this is why his support is higher than ever! We understand this about him. think of it as our version of "by any means necessary"..

We do know is that Trump does not like to read, he does not prepare, and "shoots from the hip". He trusts his instincts and does not listen to others that have different opinions even among those he has chosen to be close to him. Do you believe this is the right game plan for success 100% of the time? Is this way of doing things increase or decrease the chances of success? In your own life and experience, has this kind of doing things been successful for you? have you gone to a job interview with no resume and gotten the job? If you did, did it happen a second time, a third time, and a fourth time, etc.....

This is what you need to be considering. Blind faith in someone has often in history been the death of a person.

My faith is not blind, I have plenty to criticize, and have, but it gets drowned out by all this TDS we see everyday on this forum. The basic premise regarding Trump is that people need to ignore the fluff, concentrate on Trump results, and ask themselves honestly, if Hillary was elected and got anywhere near these results, would you be criticizing her as much as you are Trump? If ole Hillery met with Putin would the world be ending? If Hillary met with the shrimp from NK would the world assume she was making a mistake? If Hillary said that NATO needs to step up its game, would she be dissing our allies? She has said this by the way.. If Hillary continued the policies of Obama by removing children from their families at the border, oh wait, she supported this too.. See my point? I can always tell an intellectually lazy person on these forums by how they react if it were their side doing the things they are suddenly now opposed to..

Tim-

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

We have certainly spent a lot of time and energy talking about what Trump did at Helsinki and what he has done since. It is sickening but now attention needs to be turned around to "what can be done now to address this problem?" Mentioning the problem should now be over. It is time for action.

I would like to hear ideas of what all of us can do to make this situation better. Evidently, there is little we can personally do right now as the only ones with power to do something is the House and the Senate. Nonetheless, lets talk about how we can affect the House and the Senate and what we can do between now and the November elections to start changing the narrative that is being seen now.

We wait for Mueller. If Mueller doesn't give grounds for impeachment we wait for 2020 and vote him and the Republicans out with Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.

 

[Luckyone]

A cursory glance shows that you seem to have more than one big problem with my comments..






Although this can sometimes bear out as true, I don't think it is in the case of Trump business dealings. Sure people can look at the Bankruptcies and say, see he doesn't know what he is doing, but the truth is that when you have your hands in so many different business forays, you tend to make mistakes, eventually. Kodak, was handed the patents for digital cameras, way before anyone else had them, and they ignored it.. Xerox, the same with the graphical OS.. The list is extensive.. What Trump has shown is that he's learned from making long term mistakes hoping the people he picks to run these things will get better at their jobs. He's shown us already that he's not shy about firing his cabinet, or any other clown that does it wrong. Obama never fired anyone, why? I suspect that is because they all "knew" the plan, "by any means necessary".. Speculation, of course, but I stand by it.





Um, sorry, but that is pure nonsense... Obama, made plenty of mistakes, especially foreign policy, and Trump is cleaning it all up now. I like what Trump is doing internationally, I understand you don't and I get it, but a lot of it makes perfect sense, even if you are unable to see the virtue in it.





I don't listen to Trump or the Media, that is your first mistake. He is not an eloquent speaker, Trump is action oriented. Look at his results, not how he gets there, and this is why his support is higher than ever! We understand this about him. think of it as our version of "by any means necessary"..





My faith is not blind, I have plenty to criticize, and have, but it gets drowned out by all this TDS we see everyday on this forum. The basic premise regarding Trump is that people need to ignore the fluff, concentrate on Trump results, and ask themselves honestly, if Hillary was elected and got anywhere near these results, would you be criticizing her as much as you are Trump? If ole Hillery met with Putin would the world be ending? If Hillary met with the shrimp from NK would the world assume she was making a mistake? If Hillary said that NATO needs to step up its game, would she be dissing our allies? She has said this by the way.. If Hillary continued the policies of Obama by removing children from their families at the border, oh wait, she supported this too.. See my point? I can always tell an intellectually lazy person on these forums by how they react if it were their side doing the things they are suddenly now opposed to..

Tim-

I continue to have problems with your answers, starting from the fact that you bring in Obama and Hillary unnecessarily so given that they at this moment are not in a position of changing our lives and comparing to Trump is useless. How much good is trying to decide whether to die from a gunshot or knife wound if death is the only result. Trump and ONLY Trump is what should be discussed.

You say "I don't think that is the case with Trump's dealing. Thinking that is not the case is not an answer as all of our lives depend on it. You need to be 100% sure because if you are not, and cannot prove your case, then trying to change the minds of those that don't feel the way you do is wrong, given that you are placing people's lives in the hands of someone you are not sure will do the right decisions. and once again, it is not all that bad when a business goes bankrupt as another can pop up the next day in the same place. Bankrupting a nation or giving that nation away to our enemies is a ONE TIME mistake that cannot be corrected.

As far as getting results and you are happy with it, that suggests to me that you don't mind the means as long as the results are there, am I right?. Using another possibly bad example, if your goal is to be the richest man alive and in the process you leave a path of destruction of others, does that mean it was okay that you reached your goal?

As far as you being "drowned" by all of this. If this is too much for you then get out of the game. This is a situation where people will be affected and many in a very bad way. If nothing else, the pick of a Supreme Court judge could mean that women will lose control of their reproductive bodies to the government. Do you think they should be quiet and not state their opinion, even if it bothers you?

We will all be affected in some way by what Trump does so this is not about Party affiliation, it is about how Trump will affect each and every one of us. We all have as much right to talk and complain about Trump as you have a right to defend him. Just don't say that you are tired of it. No one is going to stop just because it is tiresome.

 

[WCH]

First of all, he did not correct anything. He said that he meant wouldn't instead of would but that wasn't the actual problem. He said that Putin had told him in a strong way that he did not meddle and Trump said "I believe him". That was the the problem and that was NOT corrected.

as far as your contention about people seeking your destruction, do you mean the intelligence community is seeking the destruction of Trump? and if that is what you mean, do you actually believe that Russia is seeking to help us and that we should take Putin's advice?

Please let me know as I am curious as to your spin on this.

He said what Putin told him. What more could he say?

Yes Clapper, Brennan, Comey, possibly Mueller and dozens of others under the direction of Obama .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFXeiTglfU0

 

[Mycroft]

A cursory glance shows that you seem to have more than one big problem with my comments..






Although this can sometimes bear out as true, I don't think it is in the case of Trump business dealings. Sure people can look at the Bankruptcies and say, see he doesn't know what he is doing, but the truth is that when you have your hands in so many different business forays, you tend to make mistakes, eventually. Kodak, was handed the patents for digital cameras, way before anyone else had them, and they ignored it.. Xerox, the same with the graphical OS.. The list is extensive.. What Trump has shown is that he's learned from making long term mistakes hoping the people he picks to run these things will get better at their jobs. He's shown us already that he's not shy about firing his cabinet, or any other clown that does it wrong. Obama never fired anyone, why? I suspect that is because they all "knew" the plan, "by any means necessary".. Speculation, of course, but I stand by it.





Um, sorry, but that is pure nonsense... Obama, made plenty of mistakes, especially foreign policy, and Trump is cleaning it all up now. I like what Trump is doing internationally, I understand you don't and I get it, but a lot of it makes perfect sense, even if you are unable to see the virtue in it.





I don't listen to Trump or the Media, that is your first mistake. He is not an eloquent speaker, Trump is action oriented. Look at his results, not how he gets there, and this is why his support is higher than ever! We understand this about him. think of it as our version of "by any means necessary"..





My faith is not blind, I have plenty to criticize, and have, but it gets drowned out by all this TDS we see everyday on this forum. The basic premise regarding Trump is that people need to ignore the fluff, concentrate on Trump results, and ask themselves honestly, if Hillary was elected and got anywhere near these results, would you be criticizing her as much as you are Trump? If ole Hillery met with Putin would the world be ending? If Hillary met with the shrimp from NK would the world assume she was making a mistake? If Hillary said that NATO needs to step up its game, would she be dissing our allies? She has said this by the way.. If Hillary continued the policies of Obama by removing children from their families at the border, oh wait, she supported this too.. See my point? I can always tell an intellectually lazy person on these forums by how they react if it were their side doing the things they are suddenly now opposed to..

Tim-

Well said...but I'd add one more point:

Most of the people caught up with the TDS, the nonsense from the multimedia echo chamber...all the talking potato heads...have very little idea exactly WHAT Trump is trying to do. They are unable to see how the different balls he has in the air relate to each other.

For example, his big action today is the establishment of the Council for The American Worker. People who only consume the multimedia echo chamber nonsense will have no idea what that council is, what it's for and how it will impact our economy.

The only thing those TDS sufferers know about...or care about...is the latest multimedia echo chamber generated outrage about Trump.

It's pretty sad and pathetic, if you ask me.

 

[WCH]

We wait for Mueller. If Mueller doesn't give grounds for impeachment we wait for 2020 and vote him and the Republicans out with Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.

Bring those two on.

 

[Luckyone]

A cursory glance shows that you seem to have more than one big problem with my comments..






Although this can sometimes bear out as true, I don't think it is in the case of Trump business dealings. Sure people can look at the Bankruptcies and say, see he doesn't know what he is doing, but the truth is that when you have your hands in so many different business forays, you tend to make mistakes, eventually. Kodak, was handed the patents for digital cameras, way before anyone else had them, and they ignored it.. Xerox, the same with the graphical OS.. The list is extensive.. What Trump has shown is that he's learned from making long term mistakes hoping the people he picks to run these things will get better at their jobs. He's shown us already that he's not shy about firing his cabinet, or any other clown that does it wrong. Obama never fired anyone, why? I suspect that is because they all "knew" the plan, "by any means necessary".. Speculation, of course, but I stand by it.





Um, sorry, but that is pure nonsense... Obama, made plenty of mistakes, especially foreign policy, and Trump is cleaning it all up now. I like what Trump is doing internationally, I understand you don't and I get it, but a lot of it makes perfect sense, even if you are unable to see the virtue in it.





I don't listen to Trump or the Media, that is your first mistake. He is not an eloquent speaker, Trump is action oriented. Look at his results, not how he gets there, and this is why his support is higher than ever! We understand this about him. think of it as our version of "by any means necessary"..





My faith is not blind, I have plenty to criticize, and have, but it gets drowned out by all this TDS we see everyday on this forum. The basic premise regarding Trump is that people need to ignore the fluff, concentrate on Trump results, and ask themselves honestly, if Hillary was elected and got anywhere near these results, would you be criticizing her as much as you are Trump? If ole Hillery met with Putin would the world be ending? If Hillary met with the shrimp from NK would the world assume she was making a mistake? If Hillary said that NATO needs to step up its game, would she be dissing our allies? She has said this by the way.. If Hillary continued the policies of Obama by removing children from their families at the border, oh wait, she supported this too.. See my point? I can always tell an intellectually lazy person on these forums by how they react if it were their side doing the things they are suddenly now opposed to..

Tim-

By the way, you did not answer this question of mine and I do consider it a pivotal question. Please answer:

We do know is that Trump does not like to read, he does not prepare, and "shoots from the hip". He trusts his instincts and does not listen to others that have different opinions even among those he has chosen to be close to him. Do you believe this is the right game plan for success 100% of the time? Is this way of doing things increase or decrease the chances of success? In your own life and experience, has this kind of doing things been successful for you? have you gone to a job interview with no resume and gotten the job? If you did, did it happen a second time, a third time, and a fourth time, etc.....

 

[Luckyone]

Well said...but I'd add one more point:

Most of the people caught up with the TDS, the nonsense from the multimedia echo chamber...all the talking potato heads...have very little idea exactly WHAT Trump is trying to do. They are unable to see how the different balls he has in the air relate to each other.

For example, his big action today is the establishment of the Council for The American Worker. People who only consume the multimedia echo chamber nonsense will have no idea what that council is, what it's for and how it will impact our economy.

The only thing those TDS sufferers know about...or care about...is the latest multimedia echo chamber generated outrage about Trump.

It's pretty sad and pathetic, if you ask me.

You are definitely right in saying that he is accomplishing things under the noses of most of the people that complain about him. I am on to him on those as well as will begin to bring it to the attention of all.

Some of the things he has accomplished quietly:

1) loosen regulations so that business can make more profits
2) working against the LGBT community by strengthening regulations that for example prevent them from serving in the military
3) switching the Justice Departments laws to allow discrimination in some cases
4) strengthened the Federal Government power over civil-asset forfeiture, meaning that the police and the government can seize assets of suspected but not convicted persons.
5) has worked to undo, delay or block environmental protections
6) filling the lower courts with lifetime appointments courts that will change our laws.
7) slowly but surely peeling back the Dodd-Frank financial regulation law to undermine the Consumer Protection Agency
8) working to undo Obama's health plan but without replacing it with anything.
9) working to destroy the administrative state so that people in power can do what they want.

Like I have said often before, if you are rich and want to get richer, Trump is your God. If you are not rich but want to live in the United States, then Trump is not for you.

Simple as that.

I am not rich and money is secondary to me (important but secondary) and I do want to live in the United States and enjoy my neighbors, my retirement, and my family but in my case Trump will make all of that impossible. My neighbors, who are not rich either, are angry all the time because of Trump and not good company. My retirement will suffer if for no other reason than uncontrolled greed will make everything a lot more expensive and costly, and my family will not be happy that racism will increase and therefore more risk of being attacked simply because we are white, that there will be more crime as people will try to steal what they cannot get on their own and in general there will be much more inequality between the rich and the poor that will be felt in every way.

So your happiness that Trump is accomplishing all of this is my bane, meaning that more of Trump will bring more hate from those that are not Trumpian. In the long run, the United States will cease to be United and a Civil war is likely to ensue. That is what Trump is accomplishing. It is like 2 brothers fighting for control and one winning. The family loses.

 

[Redress]

Have patience. Your multimedia masters will tell you what to think in due course.

 

[Mycroft]

You are definitely right in saying that he is accomplishing things under the noses of most of the people that complain about him. I am on to him on those as well as will begin to bring it to the attention of all.

Some of the things he has accomplished quietly:

1) loosen regulations so that business can make more profits
2) working against the LGBT community by strengthening regulations that for example prevent them from serving in the military
3) switching the Justice Departments laws to allow discrimination in some cases
4) strengthened the Federal Government power over civil-asset forfeiture, meaning that the police and the government can seize assets of suspected but not convicted persons.
5) has worked to undo, delay or block environmental protections
6) filling the lower courts with lifetime appointments courts that will change our laws.
7) slowly but surely peeling back the Dodd-Frank financial regulation law to undermine the Consumer Protection Agency
8) working to undo Obama's health plan but without replacing it with anything.
9) working to destroy the administrative state so that people in power can do what they want.

Like I have said often before, if you are rich and want to get richer, Trump is your God. If you are not rich but want to live in the United States, then Trump is not for you.

Simple as that.

I am not rich and money is secondary to me (important but secondary) and I do want to live in the United States and enjoy my neighbors, my retirement, and my family but in my case Trump will make all of that impossible. My neighbors, who are not rich either, are angry all the time because of Trump and not good company. My retirement will suffer if for no other reason than uncontrolled greed will make everything a lot more expensive and costly, and my family will not be happy that racism will increase and therefore more risk of being attacked simply because we are white, that there will be more crime as people will try to steal what they cannot get on their own and in general there will be much more inequality between the rich and the poor that will be felt in every way.

So your happiness that Trump is accomplishing all of this is my bane, meaning that more of Trump will bring more hate from those that are not Trumpian. In the long run, the United States will cease to be United and a Civil war is likely to ensue. That is what Trump is accomplishing. It is like 2 brothers fighting for control and one winning. The family loses.

When you put it all this way, it sounds like an all out attack on the liberal/globalist agenda that has been persistently forced upon the American people for over 30 years. Of course, you also include a healthy dose of hyperbole/Chicken Little nonsense in there.

I see this as a good thing for the United States of America.

 

[Mycroft]

By the way, you did not answer this question of mine and I do consider it a pivotal question. Please answer:

We do know is that Trump does not like to read, he does not prepare, and "shoots from the hip". He trusts his instincts and does not listen to others that have different opinions even among those he has chosen to be close to him.

Trump does trust his instincts, but the rest of this is nonsense. As a result, your "question" is irrelevant.

 

[Redress]

The only thing that WE can do now show up in November and vote. The only way you're going to get rid of Trump before 2020 is to impeach him, and the only shot you have at doing that is to take back both the House and Senate.

If you vote for anything other than a Democrat on any office on your ballot the next two elections you don't get to call yourself a good American. If James Comey and George Will can recognize that then you have no excuse.

You start out right, then go off the deep end. Yes, the only thing we can do about Trump is vote for people not Trump, and who won't support Trump's agenda. However, he is not going to be impeached, nor convicted, without a whole lot more evidence of an actual crime committed by Trump. And that evidence is highly unlikely to appear, certainly not before 2020. The whole impeachment nonsense is hysterical blather.

 

[Luckyone]

When you put it all this way, it sounds like an all out attack on the liberal/globalist agenda that has been persistently forced upon the American people for over 30 years. Of course, you also include a healthy dose of hyperbole/Chicken Little nonsense in there.

I see this as a good thing for the United States of America.

Show me one nation where something has not been forced on them. It is human nature. This will never change as long as humans are human.

Your answer is the same as is seen all over the world. NOW IS MY TURN TO BE ON TOP and do to them what they did to me. Talk about sour grapes and unfairness right back. All you want to do is be on top and NOT FIX THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM ITSELF. Simply speaking you are no better than the ones you complain about.

 

[Mycroft]

Show me one nation where something has not been forced on them. It is human nature. This will never change as long as humans are human.

Your answer is the same as is seen all over the world. NOW IS MY TURN TO BE ON TOP and do to them what they did to me. Talk about sour grapes and unfairness right back. All you want to do is be on top and NOT FIX THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM ITSELF. Simply speaking you are no better than the ones you complain about.

The fact that you can say this...and presumably actually believe this...is indication that you really have no idea what Trump's agenda is...or his motivations.

sigh...

You are dismissed.

 

[Carleen]

We have certainly spent a lot of time and energy talking about what Trump did at Helsinki and what he has done since. It is sickening but now attention needs to be turned around to "what can be done now to address this problem?" Mentioning the problem should now be over. It is time for action.

I would like to hear ideas of what all of us can do to make this situation better. Evidently, there is little we can personally do right now as the only ones with power to do something is the House and the Senate. Nonetheless, lets talk about how we can affect the House and the Senate and what we can do between now and the November elections to start changing the narrative that is being seen now.

The vote is the power.

 

[Luckyone]

The fact that you can say this...and presumably actually believe this...is indication that you really have no idea what Trump's agenda is...or his motivations.

sigh...

You are dismissed.

ditto, you are dismissed as well. I have no value for your opinion.

and by the way, Trump is all about ego greed for himself. All his life he has shown greed drives him and his ego needs to be fed. He has never done one kind thing for anyone. That is his motivation.