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:roll: If people can't bother to research the requirements for flying (including what they can, and can't take on the plane), they deserve to be put through the ringer. This **** isn't rocket science, and these protocols exist for a reason.
Catz Part Deux said:As far as the kids in Mickey Mouse ears and their parents...TERRORISTS LOOK LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. They have used women and children...blonds and brunettes. You cannot have an effective comprehensive policy to reduce attacks on flights without screening everyone, without preferences.
Do you have the right to sneak a bomb onto a plane? If you're against various precautionary measures, then you apparently feel you do.
Whovian said:Do I have a right to survive the flight from point A to point B without you blowing it up? I think so.
So, how do we reconcile those 'rights'? Yours to not be searched for explosives and mine not to be killed when your bomb goes off?
No they don't. We take off our shoes because ONE GUY tried to blow up a plane with explosives in his shoes. We have nudie booths because ONE GUY tried to blow up a plane with explosives in his undies. Sorry, that's not a good enough reason for such a ridiculous waste of time and infringement on civil liberties.
It was the terror plot which changed the nature of airline travel for ever.
Three British-born Islamic fanatics planned to use liquid explosives disguised as soft drinks to blow at least seven flights out of the sky and cause carnage to rival 9/11 in the U.S.
A second phase of the plan included attacks on Canary Wharf skyscrapers, the Greenwich foot tunnel underneath the Thames, nuclear power stations, oil refineries and gas terminals.
The discovery of the plot in 2006 brought chaos to international airports as sweeping restrictions were imposed overnight on how much liquid can be taken on to a plane.
No they don't. They look like young men who behave nervously and who come from Muslim countries or have recently traveled to Muslim countries. When has a woman or child EVER been involved in airplane bombing? Why must little kids be felt up by TSA officials, just so that we can pretend that terrorists look like everyone else?
Colleen Renee LaRose, 46, has been quietly held in U.S. custody since October on suspicions that she provided material support to terrorists and traveled to Sweden to launch an attack, according to federal officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the case is continuing to unfold.
:roll: If people can't bother to research the requirements for flying (including what they can, and can't take on the plane), they deserve to be put through the ringer. This **** isn't rocket science, and these protocols exist for a reason.
As far as the kids in Mickey Mouse ears and their parents...TERRORISTS LOOK LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. They have used women and children...blonds and brunettes. You cannot have an effective comprehensive policy to reduce attacks on flights without screening everyone, without preferences.
The only change I would support at this point would be fingerprinting and creating an upper tier of screening for frequent fliers that would allow us to bypass the lines based upon providing the airline with detailed security information. That would free up more personnel to assist the noobs.
As far as not allowing your wife to fly because she might be exposed to unpleasantness at the security checkpoints? Good grief, that's one of the most ridiculous comments I've read in recent memory. I guess if your wife can't handle herself at a TSA checkpoint, she probably does need to stay at home. Preferably, with a full time minder.
Catz, I love you. But I can't agree with you on this subject. There are limitations to what government can and cannot do. The aggressive and invasive measure that the TSA now currently runs is over that boundary. OK, maybe there were some bombs here and there. Packages can be subjected to searches a bit more than a person themselves. You may have no problem with the DNA unzipping millimeter wave radiation; but it's still not warranted without proof. There has to be proof. If in the course of reasonable checks something turns up, then yes maybe some more invasive techniques are required. But you cannot randomly subject the populace to aggressive, invasive search without some form of reasonable suspicion. Just trying to get on a plane does not cut it. There has to be a limit, there has to be restraint, there has to be focus on the rights and liberties of the individual. Otherwise, we're bound for worse places than a terrorist could ever take us.
We are still an active target for these groups.
We sure are - but those groups aren't blue-haired bridge leagues and families heading to Disney. We need to Israelify our screening process.
You realize that Israeli-style screening requires 3-4 hours for EVERY SINGLE PASSENGER? And you're whining about 20 minutes in a TSA line while pushing for vast government encroachment into people's civil liberties?
Ridiculous.
I'm sorry, dude, I disagree. We are still an active target for these groups. The most recent attempted attack was 2 weeks ago. Flying is not a right. No one forces you to get onto a plane. You tacitly consent to security checks when you book your ticket.
Incorrect - they have everyone on the plane inside of 40 minutes. You're just flat making stuff up now.
We're targets of a lot of groups. That's no excuse for unbridled government expansion against the rights and liberties of the individual. Flying in and of itself may not be a right, but we live in a Republic where free movement is assumed. We don't have check points in between states, we can go where we want. And there are times when flying is economically and temporally the only solution available. The US is a big place. If it were just Fort Collins to Denver, yeah I may be more inclined to agree. But there are over 3,000 miles coast to coast and it's not feasible to drive that. The airline companies take public money to stay afloat, and it takes public money to run the TSA, which is a government arm of enforcement and authority. Because of this, there has to be limitations. We do not unchain the dogs of the government against the people because of the ridiculously low probability of terrorist attack. And nothing will keep us 100% safe. In the absence of the absolute, I say that reasonable search is ok; but invasive and aggressive search is prohibited less there is evidence which necessitates it.
I think you don't know what you're talking about.
Sorry, The El-Al Israeli Security Model Will Never Work Here
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So tell us all, Topshelf. What aspects of the Israeli model would you like to implement in the U.S., and how would you do it in a country where there are 30,000+ flights per day? El Al has 40 planes, TOTAL, that fly to 48 destinations.
Because the full body scanners give you a very unhealthy dose of radiation that is why pilots are now refusing to go through them, and I wouldnt call feeling up someones "groan" or breasts a professional search. The reason they do the pat downs is to scare the public into using the body scanners.
I understand that this is your opinion, but I think you're wrong. I still love you, of course, you're just flat wrong on this one.
We sure are - but it's not by blue-haired old ladies heading to Vegas or families of four heading to Disney that are out to get us. We need to Israelify our screening process and target those who are targeting us.
One of the major things that Israelies use in their airport security is profiling based on a number of factors. One of them being race. How long do you think that such a system would be allowed to stand in the US with the way that people view profiling race?
Bomb-sniffing dogs and profiling.
That's pretty much it.
So you don't care about anyone else as long as it doesn't affect you?Undeservedly targeted like me?
Muslims Condemn Terrorist AttacksLet's not forget that it was Muslims that caused this whole problem...period. I still have not seen any denounce what happened on 9/11. I've not seen any memorials built in honor of the victims of 9/11 in the Middle East.
But I tell ya what, I'll agree to forgo any checks on airplanes for everyone...just let the Muslims fly on thier own seperate jets.
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