What should we expect from the Durham report?

[Hypothetical]

yep because he was trying to save what was left of his life that THEY RUINED.

 

[bongsaway]

yep it sure does, because with THIS evidence coming to light, I have no DOUBT that he was set up.

Great. Will you be representing him in court?

 

[Hypothetical]

Great. Will you be representing him in court?

I'm sure if it comes to that still, in the face of everything, he will have lawyers who will do that better than i can. I will be pulling for him though, and even support a pardon.

do NONE of you care to think that just maybe you should investigate more about Clinesmith with this evidence and see just how serious this is (which is much more serious than ANYTHING Flynn did) or is it because you don't really care as long as the target was Trump?

 

[bongsaway]

FBI agent pleads guilty, he's guilty. Flynn pleads guilty, he's not guilty, he was set-up. Law and order my arse.

 

[bongsaway]

I'm sure if it comes to that still, in the face of everything, he will have lawyers who will do that better than i can. I will be pulling for him though, and even support a pardon.

do NONE of you care to think that just maybe you should investigate more about Clinesmith with this evidence and see just how serious this is (which is much more serious than ANYTHING Flynn did) or is it because you don't really care as long as the target was Trump?

Do you have TDS? I didn't mention trump, I was talking about flynn.

 

[Hypothetical]

FBI agent pleads guilty, he's guilty. Flynn pleads guilty, he's not guilty, he was set-up. Law and order my arse.

what about the Flynn interview was set up to catch him in a lie for just that purpose, but no one MADE clinesmith forge the document are you not getting?

 

[Hypothetical]

Do you have TDS? I didn't mention trump, I was talking about flynn.

you didn't that is true.. I was merely iterating the common understanding that they went after Flynn to get at Trump.

 

[bongsaway]

what about the Flynn interview was set up to catch him in a lie for just that purpose, but no one MADE clinesmith forge the document are you not getting?

Unless you lie, there is no such thing as a perjury trap.

 

[bongsaway]

you didn't that is true.. I was merely iterating the common understanding that they went after Flynn to get at Trump.

That's because you repeat what you hear without finding out if it's true or not.

 

[Hypothetical]

That's because you repeat what you hear without finding out if it's true or not.

oh well, now that's an interesting opinion. I feel the same about you and your ilk.

pretty sure the Clinesmith indictment is true though. pretty sure all of the testimony in both mueller and IG was true as well.

pretty sure the lie Flynn made was a less than nothing lie that they would have let go with anyone else. but regardless of that, THIS current indictment does show the culpability by forces in the FBI to have done such a thing...so with the state of our media right now, while very few of us know the real and full truth until at minimum a grand jury convenes on a matter, we are one step closer, imho.

 

[trblmkr]

you didn't that is true.. I was merely iterating the common understanding that they went after Flynn to get at Trump.

Which was a perfectly logical following of the evidence. See where it goes. Is that not what Durham is doing now? With your blessing?

 

[Hypothetical]

Which was a perfectly logical following of the evidence. See where it goes. Is that not what Durham is doing now? With your blessing?

sure. did it seem like i was thinking otherwise?

 

[Jay59]

An indictment means you have evidence of a crime. You do not have a indictment. You have nothing Dismissed

You failed logic, didn't you?

In the end, what is the real difference?

There are proverbs about the first step or the first instance. They almost always matter.

Why would the defendant not want to reveal evidence. Knowing the theme of any possible prosecution resulting from Durham's investigation what evidence do you think the defendants would want to keep hidden? I'm not talking about the public gaining information during discovery, I'm talking about the judge overseeing the discovery.

This is disingenuous. There may be many reasons. However, given the theme of shining lights in dark places, the obvious thing is to cover tracks and associations.

There has to be a charge made. Who has been charged with anything? Dude....cone on man.....you have nothing

You keep saying that, but it has never been true.

Yup, that's it. It's not even clear that Clinesmith's statement isn't true, just that he added words to the email and forgot to bracket it. Seriously, that's it.

Seriously, it's not, hence criminal charges for materially altering a court document.

No Vegas you were presented proof, you refused to accept it. That's your problem. Good day.

It's what he does. He only accepts alternate facts from approved sources.

Was Clinesmith's changing of one word material to the warrant?

Yes, hence the criminal charge.

FBI agent pleads guilty, he's guilty. Flynn pleads guilty, he's not guilty, he was set-up. Law and order my arse.

You seem to be grasping the skewed reality of the system. We are trying to correct the skew so that the law applies equally. If that were true, Flynn is never even charged.

 

[BlueTex]

from what I hear it was very relevant and that was not all he did.

apparently Durham thinks it is relevant. one change or 5000, it is wrong to knowingly misrepresent the information to allow what amounts to illegal surveillance of a someone, ESPECIALLY an incoming Presidential administration.

IF proven guilty , and apparently he is pleading that fact, then we know that at some level ALL of this **** has ABSOLUTELY been done to hamstring the President's administration. the ONLY question is, WHO ELSE had something to do with this?

From what you hear where?

 

[bongsaway]

oh well, now that's an interesting opinion. I feel the same about you and your ilk.

pretty sure the Clinesmith indictment is true though. pretty sure all of the testimony in both mueller and IG was true as well.

pretty sure the lie Flynn made was a less than nothing lie that they would have let go with anyone else. but regardless of that, THIS current indictment does show the culpability by forces in the FBI to have done such a thing...so with the state of our media right now, while very few of us know the real and full truth until at minimum a grand jury convenes on a matter, we are one step closer, imho.

Time will tell. If there is anything that will help trump you can be assured it will come out before election time.

 

[bongsaway]

You failed logic, didn't you?


There are proverbs about the first step or the first instance. They almost always matter.


This is disingenuous. There may be many reasons. However, given the theme of shining lights in dark places, the obvious thing is to cover tracks and associations.


You keep saying that, but it has never been true.


Seriously, it's not, hence criminal charges for materially altering a court document.


It's what he does. He only accepts alternate facts from approved sources.


Yes, hence the criminal charge.


You seem to be grasping the skewed reality of the system. We are trying to correct the skew so that the law applies equally. If that were true, Flynn is never even charged.

Uh huh and jr., manafort and kushner met with russians in trump tower to discuss adoption, bet you didn't know that.

 

[Aurora]

In my opinion, any "bombshells" Durham might drop if/when he indicts people won't directly affect any of the current Presidential candidates, so he should go for it. He's not going to indict Biden or Trump. The Comey bombshell was different in that it directly involved one of the candidates.

I don't want to see justice delayed or dropped entirely just because some people might think it'll affect one Party or the other.

Furthermore, any Durham bombshell won't be directed at the current administration nor the upcoming administration. It'll be directed at the preceding Obama administration.

If Biden were to win, the Durham report would be thrown out the window. it would be terminated . The end of justice. This could lead back to the obama regime.

 

[vegas giants]

If Biden were to win, the Durham report would be thrown out the window. it would be terminated . The end of justice. This could lead back to the obama regime.

Oh god let's hope

 

[Hypothetical]

Oh god let's hope

so then you are saying that you are ok with our political and law enforcement system being corrupt as hell?

 

[vegas giants]

so then you are saying that you are ok with our political and law enforcement system being corrupt as hell?

Nope. Wrongity wrong wrong

 

[Jay59]

Uh huh and jr., manafort and kushner met with russians in trump tower to discuss adoption, bet you didn't know that.

These are red herrings. Manafort is completely unrelated. The prosecutor in New York decided not to pursue his case, which all happened long before he met Trump. If you can find a conviction on Kushner or Don Jr., post it. If there was anything to the story, it would surely have arisen in the impeachment, because they had nothing and were desperate.

 

[bongsaway]

These are red herrings. Manafort is completely unrelated. The prosecutor in New York decided not to pursue his case, which all happened long before he met Trump. If you can find a conviction on Kushner or Don Jr., post it. If there was anything to the story, it would surely have arisen in the impeachment, because they had nothing and were desperate.

Manafort is the man. Trump didn't even know who manafort was when stone recommended him to run trump's campaign. He got the job because of his years in ukraine and his russian contacts. We all know how much trump wanted his moscow tower and manafort was the man to deliver it to him as far as trump was concerned. Red herring indeed.

 

[Jay59]

Manafort is the man. Trump didn't even know who manafort was when stone recommended him to run trump's campaign. He got the job because of his years in ukraine and his russian contacts. We all know how much trump wanted his moscow tower and manafort was the man to deliver it to him as far as trump was concerned. Red herring indeed.

You shoot your own case in the foot. Everything Manafort was charged with occurred well before he met Trump and you establish that he and Trump had no prior contact.

If there was anything to the Moscow Tower narrative, it would have come out in the impeachment hearings. It was a business venture that never received the necessary permits. Nothing more than that has ever been established. You provide valid reason for Trump and Manafort to meet and and have discussions concerning that part of the world, but nothing more.

Be glad you are not a prosecutor. Defense lawyers would love you.

 

[Peter King]

First comes plea deals. Plea deals result in indisputable evidence of guilt. A cut and dried case. The attorneys for the guilty one often approach the prosecutors over a plea deal which means "my client is ready to sing in return to plead guilty to a lesser charge." The word is that Durham has several plea deals ongoing. Clinesmith was just the first. The evidence that is gathered in these plea deals furthers the investigation. The indictments are coming. What the Obama administration did by weaponizing the intel/justice departments to spy on Trump, his campaign, his family, his transition team, his administration will not go unpunished.

Except it is not a cut and dry case that plea deals are indisputable evidence of guilt. Loads of people take a plea deal to not risk being jailed for something they did not do. If anything the current witch hunt on people who worked during the Obama years is the true witch hunt as it has nothing to do with justice but everything to do with politics. This investigation was started to frustrate and disrupt the election, nothing more and nothing less.

I hope the NY state prosecutors will be reporting their findings around the same time, if it is fair for one side it is fair for the other side.

 

[bongsaway]

You shoot your own case in the foot. Everything Manafort was charged with occurred well before he met Trump and you establish that he and Trump had no prior contact.

If there was anything to the Moscow Tower narrative, it would have come out in the impeachment hearings. It was a business venture that never received the necessary permits. Nothing more than that has ever been established. You provide valid reason for Trump and Manafort to meet and and have discussions concerning that part of the world, but nothing more.

Be glad you are not a prosecutor. Defense lawyers would love you.

Seriously? Trump himself told you numerous times he had nothing going on in russia and yet the whole time he was still seeking the moscow tower deal and lying to everyone. Believe what you wish, trump is the greatest.