What should we expect from the Durham report?

[vegas giants]

So, you are now on record as being OK with another Watergate. Mark the date.

Boooooooring. Bring an indictment or you have nothing

 

[Jay59]

The altered email in question was related to the renewal of the FISA warrant on Carter Page. I guess if you want to believe surveilling Carter Page (a person who had left the Trump campaign already when the first warrant was issued) is WaterGate level stuff, have fun with the analogy.

If you are going to allow one party to use law enforcement to spy on another, then that's you. If you expect them to get away with it when caught, that's unfortunate.

Boooooooring. Bring an indictment or you have nothing

I have a great deal more respect for the rule of law, specifically equal treatment under the law.

 

[vegas giants]

If you are going to allow one party to use law enforcement to spy on another, then that's you. If you expect them to get away with it when caught, that's unfortunate.


I have a great deal more respect for the rule of law, specifically equal treatment under the law.

I have great respect for rule of law. If one was broken get an indictment.


You got nothing

 

[Airyaman]

If you are going to allow one party to use law enforcement to spy on another, then that's you. If you expect them to get away with it when caught, that's unfortunate.

Huh? What party? The FBI was surveilling Carter Page.

 

[Jay59]

I have great respect for rule of law. If one was broken get an indictment. You got nothing

Convictions are better.

Huh? What party? The FBI was surveilling Carter Page.

Spying, not surveilling. That is the fundamental distinction that comes from this plea deal.

 

[BlueTex]

Convictions are better.


Spying, not surveilling. That is the fundamental distinction that comes from this plea deal.

Then bring it before a federal grand jury and lets get this party started... Discovery is going to be awesome...

 

[vegas giants]

Convictions are better.


Spying, not surveilling. That is the fundamental distinction that comes from this plea deal.

If you have a conviction then show it.


Until then you have nothing

 

[Jay59]

Then bring it before a federal grand jury and lets get this party started... Discovery is going to be awesome...

Defendants have a right to avoid discovery by pleading guilty. Even if one of the cases goes to trial, national security issues will put discovery under wraps.

That said, the basic facts are public knowledge and have been for some time. This case simply confirms the central fact--the FBI was spying, not surveilling. The remaining questions have to do with who and when.

 

[vegas giants]

Defendants have a right to avoid discovery by pleading guilty. Even if one of the cases goes to trial, national security issues will put discovery under wraps.

That said, the basic facts are public knowledge and have been for some time. This case simply confirms the central fact--the FBI was spying, not surveilling. The remaining questions have to do with who and when.

You have nothing without a indictment

 

[BlueTex]

Defendants have a right to avoid discovery by pleading guilty. Even if one of the cases goes to trial, national security issues will put discovery under wraps.

That said, the basic facts are public knowledge and have been for some time. This case simply confirms the central fact--the FBI was spying, not surveilling. The remaining questions have to do with who and when.

LMAO... Defendants have a right to see the evidence against them... federal courts are well equipped to handle classified evidence...

 

[lurchadams]

There is a longstanding rule that politically sensitive judicial announcements should not be made just before an election they might impact. On occasion, see Comey, James, this rule has bee disregarded. However, the Durham investigation has gone over 15 months already and COVID has increased the difficulty and time required. To not report at least some of the results invites the prospect of having them buried by a new administration. Since the definition of just before is not given, 60 days is the usual rule. The November election is in just under 90 days. More than one analyst believes Durham will try to bring out his findings before that number reaches 60.
https://www.realclearinvestigations...pping_bombshells_before_labor_day_124753.html

There are clearly a large number of cases for mishandling secure information, often by leaking it to the media. For example, the Mueller team liked to use NYT. Cases related to Crossfire Hurricane could potentially involve former cabinet members, but most likely just FBI and DoJ, perhaps some NSA or CIA. Flynngate could involve Joe Biden, so it is likely that block will be deferred until after the election. There is plenty on the plate until then.

The bumbling, criminal trump administration has squandered all credibility. Durham has already proven he's a trump stooge. Thus, the Durham report will be accompanied by the following sound effect:

"Womp, womp, woooooommmmp!"

 

[Jay59]

You have nothing without a indictment

Even if you keep saying that, it won't become true.

LMAO... Defendants have a right to see the evidence against them... federal courts are well equipped to handle classified evidence...

Sure. They also have the right to not reveal it in public by avoiding trial. Classified evidence is a different beast. The point is that discovery is unlikely to reveal much to the public, when the defendants want it that way.

The bumbling, criminal trump administration has squandered all credibility. Durham has already proven he's a trump stooge. Thus, the Durham report will be accompanied by the following sound effect: "Womp, womp, woooooommmmp!"

:lamo

Your definition of stooge is someone who believes the law applies to everyone.

Lurch on.

 

[vegas giants]

Even if you keep saying that, it won't become true.


Sure. They also have the right to not reveal it in public by avoiding trial. Classified evidence is a different beast. The point is that discovery is unlikely to reveal much to the public, when the defendants want it that way.


:lamo

Your definition of stooge is someone who believes the law applies to everyone.

Lurch on.

An indictment means you have evidence of a crime.


You do not have a indictment.



You have nothing



Dismissed

 

[Airyaman]

Convictions are better.


Spying, not surveilling. That is the fundamental distinction that comes from this plea deal.

In the end, what is the real difference?

 

[BlueTex]

Sure. They also have the right to not reveal it in public by avoiding trial. Classified evidence is a different beast. The point is that discovery is unlikely to reveal much to the public, when the defendants want it that way.

Why would the defendant not want to reveal evidence. Knowing the theme of any possible prosecution resulting from Durham's investigation what evidence do you think the defendants would want to keep hidden? I'm not talking about the public gaining information during discovery, I'm talking about the judge overseeing the discovery.

 

[BlueTex]

An indictment means you have evidence of a crime.


You do not have a indictment.



You have nothing



Dismissed

Exactly.. If you can't even meet the pretty low threshold to get an indictment, you basically have opinions and nothing more...

 

[NWRatCon]

"Question for [U.S. Attorney General William Barr]: how are [former national security adviser Michael Flynn's] confessed lies to the FBI (repeated to the VP) not a crime, but Clinesmith changing an email (the full version of which he also sent to DOJ) is?" Weissmann tweeted, referencing the Justice Department's controversial move to withdraw its case against Flynn, who had already pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.
...
"Questions judge should ask before accepting Clinesmith guilty plea: What precisely is the falsity of the statement that Clinesmith made? What investigation was it material to?" he tweeted.
He gave DOJ accurate information for the Page FISA?
How does the Barr materiality std for Flynn apply?

Mueller deputy Weissmann criticizes DOJ for bringing case against ex-FBI lawyer (The Hill) What we should all realize now is: This is it. This is the extent of the "illegality" Durham has found.

 

[bongsaway]

I have read some reports that claim Durham will release his report before Labor Day.

I have read others that claim currently there are plea deals occurring.

And then others who think that Durham will reveal those who have been indicted at the same time he releases his report.

The release was suppose to have been in the June/July range but was held up by a couple of things. One was due to Brennan's lawyers in the release of Brennan's correspondence and other records. It was a massive amount of material that needed to be reviewed and the other is COVID.

One thing is for certain, if there was no there there, this investigation would have been shutdown months ago. Some are saying it is worse than we think. But there are no leaks coming out of Durham's investigation so we wait........... But in the last 6 weeks there have been several documents that have been declassified and released. My guess everything involved with those documents are things Durham has already finished with. And some of the stuff being revealed has been damning for several people.

Plea deals, indictments, worse than we think, damning for several people.

So, what's new? Let us know when the indictments hit.

 

[vesper]

Plea deals, indictments, worse than we think, damning for several people.

So, what's new? Let us know when the indictments hit.

First comes plea deals. Plea deals result in indisputable evidence of guilt. A cut and dried case. The attorneys for the guilty one often approach the prosecutors over a plea deal which means "my client is ready to sing in return to plead guilty to a lesser charge." The word is that Durham has several plea deals ongoing. Clinesmith was just the first. The evidence that is gathered in these plea deals furthers the investigation. The indictments are coming. What the Obama administration did by weaponizing the intel/justice departments to spy on Trump, his campaign, his family, his transition team, his administration will not go unpunished.

 

[vegas giants]

First comes plea deals. Plea deals result in indisputable evidence of guilt. A cut and dried case. The attorneys for the guilty one often approach the prosecutors over a plea deal which means "my client is ready to sing in return to plead guilty to a lesser charge." The word is that Durham has several plea deals ongoing. Clinesmith was just the first. The evidence that is gathered in these plea deals furthers the investigation. The indictments are coming. What the Obama administration did by weaponizing the intel/justice departments to spy on Trump, his campaign, his family, his transition team, his administration will not go unpunished.

You are lying. You can't have a plea deal without an indictment



You dont have a single indictment.



You have nothing

 

[Jetboogieman]

First comes plea deals. Plea deals result in indisputable evidence of guilt. A cut and dried case. The attorneys for the guilty one often approach the prosecutors over a plea deal which means "my client is ready to sing in return to plead guilty to a lesser charge." The word is that Durham has several plea deals ongoing. Clinesmith was just the first. The evidence that is gathered in these plea deals furthers the investigation. The indictments are coming. What the Obama administration did by weaponizing the intel/justice departments to spy on Trump, his campaign, his family, his transition team, his administration will not go unpunished.

“Word is”.

Who’s word?

 

[vesper]

You are lying. You can't have a plea deal without an indictment



You dont have a single indictment.



You have nothing

If both the defendant and DA agree to waive the indictment process, a plea can be entered. Negotiations can start at any time.

 

[vegas giants]

If both the defendant and DA agree to waive the indictment process, a plea can be entered. Negotiations can start at any time.

There has to be a charge made. Who has been charged with anything?


Dude....cone on man.....you have nothing

 

[NWRatCon]

There has to be a charge made. Who has been charged with anything?


Dude....cone on man.....you have nothing

What he's missing is: this is the Durham report. It's done. There is no more. Barr tried to hype it on FOX and it fell flat. It's over, folks. Go home.

 

[vesper]

There has to be a charge made. Who has been charged with anything?


Dude....cone on man.....you have nothing

I am not a 'Dude' . I am not a 'man'. Clinesmith has entered into a plea deal. Period. He entered a guilty plea. The charge is contained in a criminal information. That is a form of formal allegation the Justice Department uses when a defendant agrees to waive indictment foregoing his right to have the grand jury find probable cause to charge a crime).

You can read it at the link below.

DCD Clinesmith