What "principle" of MAGA is not fascist in nature? (3 Viewers)

[NWRatCon]

Still, nothing, nothing, nothing from the defenders, except..."nuh-uhhhhh!" "No, it's not!"

Here's the problem: if one identifies what fascism is, they cannot find an exception in Trump/MAGA's behavior. Because it isn't there. Let's try, for them.

Google AI overview :"fascism is a political philosophy that puts the nation above everything else, emphasizing national unity and strength over individual rights and freedoms. It's often characterized by strong, centralized government control, militarism, and a focus on a "pure" national identity, often at the expense of minority groups."

See any parallels to MAGA? More important to this discussion - see any exceptions?

• Secret Police and Repression:
  Fascist governments frequently establish secret police forces to monitor and suppress dissent, often with broad powers to arrest, detain, and even execute perceived opponents. (See ICE)
• Censorship and Propaganda:
  News, media, and cultural institutions are tightly controlled to ensure that only the regime's narrative is presented to the public. This includes banning certain books, newspapers, and artistic works that challenge the regime's ideology.
• Cult of Personality:
  A powerful leader is often portrayed as a charismatic figure who embodies the nation, and any criticism of the leader is seen as a direct attack on the nation itself.
• Militarization:
  Fascism often emphasizes military strength and aggressive nationalism, which can create a climate of fear and discourage dissent.
• Suppression of Dissent:
  Fascist regimes tend to suppress opposition, including freedom of speech, the press, and assembly.
• Racial or Ethnic Nationalism:
  Some forms of fascism, like Nazism, have used racial or ethnic nationalism to define national identity and justify discrimination against minorities, according to Wikipedia.
• Economic Control:
  Fascist regimes often control the economy, prioritizing national self-sufficiency and state-directed industrialization, says Wikipedia.
  
  See also the referenced articles. I'm trying to help, here.
  

 

[Proudmoore]

I'm curious what principles Trumpco has

worshipping obese elderly conmen with a personality disorder?

 

[NWRatCon]

I guess the next step is someone from that universe actually posting what MAGA principles are?

 

[poweRob]

Regardless your claim to be a "long-time student of fascism and authoritarian movements", I don't think you really understand what fascism is.

Anyway, to answer your thread title question...

Nothing about MAGA is fascist in nature.

Define fascism.

 

[NWRatCon]

Define fascism.

He can't. I've asked before. Apparently, it's not covered in his trolling curriculum.

Academy of Foreign Intelligence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[NolanVoyd]

Define fascism.

I'll throw him a lifeline ..

Fascism.

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

fascism

"fascism" published on by Oxford University Press.

www.oxfordreference.com

He wont read that though. He has me on ignore. Not because I was rude to him but because I like facts , and facts make him uncomfortable.

 

[poweRob]

He can't. I've asked before. Apparently, it's not covered in his trolling curriculum.

It's hard to play refuter boy when everyone agrees on terminology. Kind of reduced the trolling, deflection game.

 

[poweRob]

I'll throw him a lifeline ..

Fascism.

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

fascism

"fascism" published on by Oxford University Press.

www.oxfordreference.com

He wont read that though. He has never on ignore. Not because I was rude to him but because I like facts , and facts make him uncomfortable.

True. I want a maga to define it because they are always trying to redefine everything. I think it would be fun in a funny sense.

The last thing they'll do is try to lay out the traits of fascism. They don't want to look into that mirror and see that particular light.

 

[Minerva]

Regardless your claim to be a "long-time student of fascism and authoritarian movements", I don't think you really understand what fascism is.

Anyway, to answer your thread title question...

Nothing about MAGA is fascist in nature.

You read, yet do not comprehend.

Did the term "substantive challenge" confuse you or was it just not in your vocabulary?

 

[pedex]

To start, I'm not inculcated in the "philosophy" of MAGA. I base my views on the expressions in public discourse, particularly on DP. I'm fervently anti-MAGA on that basis. I'm also a long-time student of fascism and authoritarian movements. Because of that, I've long considered MAGA as just a fascist movement. Indeed, I'm aware of no evidence to refute that. So, I'm starting a thread to entertain arguments to the contrary.

Be advised, however, that claims must be based upon substance, not unsupported conclusory statements. And they are subject to substantive challenge. I'd like to keep this thread out of the basement, so keep your commentary upstairs-worthy.

Is nationalism fascist? Is our govt supposed to serve us? Or foreign govts?

 

[Minerva]

I guess the next step is someone from that universe actually posting what MAGA principles are?

Fluid and self serving?

 

[Tensor101]

That's a good question, and I don't think you'll get a BS-free response from the righties. I expect something along the lines of "don't you agree that we should put our own interests first?" which is code for "America should play as a spoiled toddler on the world stage and be willing to **** shit up." Even some righties came around to how bad that was after Bush Jr.

There is an old ancient Asian Fable: The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe. For the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was wood he was one of them. Some of the smaller trees pointed to the sharp metal blade, but the loudest voices said it was a lie and prevailed. Thus the forest was levelled and the land turned to dessert.

 

[Tensor101]

Buster aside, some of us in the MAGAsphere see, even admire our inherent fascism and want to advance it, but I am on record as preferring a Franco style fascism with aspects of Mussolini when it comes to trains running on schedule.

I am a stickler when it comes to being on time as much as I am when it comes to praising Donald J Trump.

MAGA.

Bro, I'm sorry but they are just confused people. They complained about the inflation in 2021 and then elected a President that promised to
increase tariffs. Go figure. They did not realize that "Make American Great Again" was the very first lie. America was always great.

 

[NWRatCon]

Bro, I'm sorry but they are just confused people. They complained about the inflation in 2021 and then elected a President that promised to
increase tariffs. Go figure. They did not realize that "Make American Great Again" was the very first lie. America was always great.

Ask them, "what Makes America Great?" and they still don't have an answer, because it would contradict MAGA.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Is nationalism fascist? Is our govt supposed to serve us? Or foreign govts?

The problem with You People is that you have confused nationalism - a failed ideology - with patriotism, which isn't really an ideology at all.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Is nationalism fascist?

Almost always.

 

[NWRatCon]

This is the fourth day for this thread. Not a single substantive response - because the premise is MAGA=Fascist. It's called a "truism". Can't be refuted.

 

[multivita-man]

Accusing Trump of being Hitler 2 and of being a fascist is just more baseless far left extremist hyperbole.
The far left have call all of the Republican presidents Hitler 2 and a fascist.
It is part of the infantile nature of the Regressive Progressives.

Nah, fascist is actually a perfect label for MAGA. It's the little ribbon and wrapping paper on the gift itself.

 

[multivita-man]

This is the fourth day for this thread. Not a single substantive response - because the premise is MAGA=Fascist. It's called a "truism". Can't be refuted.

Yer callin me a fascist. Typical librul. Suck it, libz.

 

[Nuber]

Both.

"claims must be based upon substance, not unsupported conclusory statements"
So far, that's all we've gotten. Kinda proves the point of the OP.

This is the pattern in EVERY thread that discusses MAGA and/or fascism. MAGAnaughts simply cannot defend it. They cannot provide any example to refute the premise, and never have. All you get is this kinda crap. "Nuh-uh" is not an argument.

I should rest my case, but I'll keep the floor open.

How can you rest a case that was never made. The OP is the very definition of what you bolded.

Unsupported conclusory statements. ZERO EVIDENCE PROVIDED TO SUPPORT THE PREMISE.

 

[NWRatCon]

How can you rest a case that was never made. The OP is the very definition of what you bolded.

Unsupported conclusory statements. ZERO EVIDENCE PROVIDED TO SUPPORT THE PREMISE.

Prove it. Don't just post bullshit non-answers. Lay out your evidence. Don't be a coward. Put up or shut up.

 

[Nuber]

Prove it. Don't just post bullshit non- answers. Don't be a coward. Put up or shut up.

The thread should have started with substance is my point. Failure yours. No facts presented, yet crying about that very thing from the opposition. As if your point of view is defacto accurate and known by all.

Its your thread, dude, do as you like. I called you out on your bullshit... now you point, cry, and say "you first".

So my evidence is the association proclaimed by the left that the right are essentially Nazis. A movement that the current right is philosophically opposed to. The left, in their lowbrow name-calling fervor, love to moderate their terminology by proclaiming the right as facists. This is likely due to the original facist, Mussolini, joining the Nazis as an axis power in WWII. Extending the association of evil from the past into the modern world.

There is but a hair's width of difference between the isms of communism, socialism, and facism in operational principles. And yet the modern left still insists that the "nationalistic" aspect of facism is the only determination in applying the term to the modern MAGA movement, and before that conservatives.

Interesting, isn't it, that during WWII American nationalism helped to defeat the Italian nationalism of the day. So would you characterize 1944 nationalistic America as Facists? Those principles that defeated Nazis and Facists are found today in the conservative movement, not the liberal movement in the modern day United States.

The obvious fact that destroys the argument presented by the left is the common idealogy of the isms that the government, in some form or another, should control society. Conservatives, Republicans, and/or MAGA supporters believe exactly the opposite. Freedom from the government yoke is amongst the prime directives for those on the right.

Of course you will find and likely regurgitate a plethora of leftist professors who have refubished the definition of facism to fit their narratives. Further examples of the modern brainwashing that mashes any potential intellect of the D party. So, I present an old article as substance. Something that you did not originally do, OP.

https://www.hoover.org/research/fascism-ism-left-not-right

 

[NWRatCon]

So,

The thread should have started with substance is my point. Failure yours. No facts presented, yet crying about that very thing from the opposition. As if your point of view is defacto accurate and known by all.

Its your thread, dude, do as you like. I called you out on your bullshit... now you point, cry, and say "you first".

So my evidence is the association proclaimed by the left that the right are essentially Nazis. A movement that the current right is philosophically opposed to. The left, in their lowbrow name-calling fervor, love to moderate their terminology by proclaiming the right as facists. This is likely due to the original facist, Mussolini, joining the Nazis as an axis power in WWII. Extending the association of evil from the past into the modern world.

There is but a hair's width of difference between the isms of communism, socialism, and facism in operational principles. And yet the modern left still insists that the "nationalistic" aspect of facism is the only determination in applying the term to the modern MAGA movement, and before that conservatives.

Interesting, isn't it, that during WWII American nationalism helped to defeat the Italian nationalism of the day. So would you characterize 1944 nationalistic America as Facists? Those principles that defeated Nazis and Facists are found today in the conservative movement, not the liberal movement in the modern day United States.

The obvious fact that destroys the argument presented by the left is the common idealogy of the isms that the government, in some form or another, should control society. Conservatives, Republicans, and/or MAGA supporters believe exactly the opposite. Freedom from the government yoke is amongst the prime directives for those on the right.

Of course you will find and likely regurgitate a plethora of leftist professors who have refubished the definition of facism to fit their narratives. Further examples of the modern brainwashing that mashes any potential intellect of the D party. So, I present an old article as substance. Something that you did not originally do, OP.

https://www.hoover.org/research/fascism-ism-left-not-right

So, nothing. Absolutely nothing. Do you know the basics of logic? Do you understand the concept of "premise"? Geebus, it is amazing how cowardly and insubstantial MAGA apologist's posts are. Do you actually believe that you presented ANYTHING that addressed the thread? Your post is a joke, right? You can't be serious with this kinda nonsense.

Back in the bin.

 

[CLAX1911]

To start, I'm not inculcated in the "philosophy" of MAGA. I base my views on the expressions in public discourse, particularly on DP. I'm fervently anti-MAGA on that basis. I'm also a long-time student of fascism and authoritarian movements. Because of that, I've long considered MAGA as just a fascist movement. Indeed, I'm aware of no evidence to refute that. So, I'm starting a thread to entertain arguments to the contrary.

Be advised, however, that claims must be based upon substance, not unsupported conclusory statements. And they are subject to substantive challenge. I'd like to keep this thread out of the basement, so keep your commentary upstairs-worthy.

Anti MAGA is fascist and suicidal.

If you are opposed to making America great again you are an enemy of the state.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

To start, I'm not inculcated in the "philosophy" of MAGA. I base my views on the expressions in public discourse, particularly on DP. I'm fervently anti-MAGA on that basis. I'm also a long-time student of fascism and authoritarian movements. Because of that, I've long considered MAGA as just a fascist movement. Indeed, I'm aware of no evidence to refute that. So, I'm starting a thread to entertain arguments to the contrary.

Be advised, however, that claims must be based upon substance, not unsupported conclusory statements. And they are subject to substantive challenge. I'd like to keep this thread out of the basement, so keep your commentary upstairs-worthy.

So you think "Americans in America, who want to Make America Grate Again" is some how Fascist !???"

Before you try to talk about fascism think about these clarifications !