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What Liz Cheney has figured out about Donald Trump and 2024

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I'm not irritated and no...I don't want to speculate. I'll leave that to the Trump haters. They are good at it.

Speculate on what?
 

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I have not heard Trump say anything about running again but there are a lot of people hope that he does. But he does have the ability to pick influence who does as well of the several Republicans that will find themselves primaried. Six weeks ago, Candace Owens said she was considering running for president in 2024. She was immediately raked through the coals on the left. Nicki Haley is also considering it too but she was on of the first who came out against Trump and since walked ALL that back and now says she would support Trump if he were to win the primary in 2024. She isn't going anywhere. And of course Mike Pence. But the one everyone is wondering about is DeSantis. You can tell which ones the left find as a threat by the way the MSM and social media trashes them like editing interviews to make it look like someone is guilty or a hit piece story by 'anonymous sources. Trump, DeSantis, Owens are the three they seem to fear.

Trump... DeSantis or Owens...

If that is who you think should be President holy moly, America is beyond ****ed.
 

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Who cares what Cheney thinks? She is not going to win her primary in 2022. Her days are numbered in the House. There is a very good chance in 2022 that Republicans will regain the House but Cheney will not be one of them. Maybe she can go work in the swamp as a lobbyist for those companies that have gotten wealthy over all the never ending conflicts she continues to support.

I have not heard Trump say anything about running again but there are a lot of people hope that he does. But right now he does have the ability to pick influence who does as well of the several Republicans that will find themselves challenged in primaries.

Six weeks ago, Candace Owens said she was considering running for president in 2024. She was immediately raked through the coals on the left. Nicki Haley is also considering it too but she was on of the first who came out against Trump and since walked ALL that back and now says she would support Trump if he were to win the primary in 2024. She isn't going anywhere. And of course Mike Pence. But the one everyone is wondering about is DeSantis. You can tell which ones the left find as a threat by the way the MSM and social media trashes them like editing interviews to make it look like someone is guilty or a hit piece story by 'anonymous sources. Trump, DeSantis, Owens are the three they seem to fear.

Today Vernon Jones, announced his run for Georgia governor in 2022 challenging Kemp in the primary. Kemp might as well start collecting U haul boxes for his move out of the governor's mansion. :love:

I think he has the power to bring someone down, but I'm not sure he has the power to elevate anyone.
 

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Who cares what Cheney thinks? She is not going to win her primary in 2022. Her days are numbered in the House. There is a very good chance in 2022 that Republicans will regain the House but Cheney will not be one of them. Maybe she can go work in the swamp as a lobbyist for those companies that have gotten wealthy over all the never ending conflicts she continues to support.

I have not heard Trump say anything about running again but there are a lot of people hope that he does. But right now he does have the ability to pick influence who does including supporting several Republicans that will be challenging others in primaries.

Six weeks ago, Candace Owens said she was considering running for president in 2024. She was immediately raked through the coals on the left. Nicki Haley is also considering it too but she was on of the first who came out against Trump and since walked ALL that back and now says she would support Trump if he were to win the primary in 2024. She isn't going anywhere. And of course Mike Pence. But the one everyone is wondering about is DeSantis. You can tell which ones the left find as a threat by the way the MSM and social media trashes them like editing interviews to make it look like someone is guilty or a hit piece story by 'anonymous sources. Trump, DeSantis, Owens are the three they seem to fear.

Today Vernon Jones, announced his run for Georgia governor in 2022 challenging Kemp in the primary. Kemp might as well start collecting U haul boxes for his move out of the governor's mansion. :love:
Heck yes, the only democrat turned republican that I like.
 

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Trump... DeSantis or Owens...

If that is who you think should be President holy moly, America is beyond ****ed.
What I said is those three have gotten the most crap thrown at them from the left. That is usually a sign those are the possible candidates they do not want to go up against.

Did you happen to catch the story today where it was revealed that the NYT's story on the intelligence community backed off reports that Russia placed bounties on the heads of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. Biden's intel said this week that the story was never verified. But leading up to the election the NYT's reported from their anonymous sources that it was true . Because of that story the Senate vetoed Trump hindering his efforts to get our soldiers home. But now that Biden has decided to bring the troops home from Afghanistan, his intel comes clean over the bogus story so it clears the way for Biden to do what Trump fought against the neo cons in his own party to do it. I am not a betting woman but in this instance my guess would be it was the friggin neo-cons that actually started the false story to hinder Trump.

When someone says the term neo-con it is important to understand where the term came from. In the 60's and 70's the Democratic Party the majority had become pacifists. The hawks in the party were not happy with that stance as well as their stance on social issues. The term neoconservative was popularized during by the 70's by a socialist leader Michael Harrington who used the term to define Democrats Bell, Moynihan and Irving Kristol. whose ideologies differed from Harrington's. The term started in the Democratic party and now it is a term that is used to identify Republican hawks.
 

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Trump didn't try to steal any election.
He absolutely did but in your world Trump is a morally upstanding genius who cares only about others

AKA fantasy land
 

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Trump has never been right since the day he became a self centered political animal and 30,500 lies later documents such
 

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Nobody's talking about Liz Cheney running for President, so your question will never come up.
Anyone Trump endorses will not win the presidential election in 2024
He is an albatross
 

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Anyone Trump endorses will not win the presidential election in 2024
He is an albatross
LOL, he'll be running himself. You are delusional.
 

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What I said is those three have gotten the most crap thrown at them from the left. That is usually a sign those are the possible candidates they do not want to go up against.

Did you happen to catch the story today where it was revealed that the NYT's story on the intelligence community backed off reports that Russia placed bounties on the heads of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. Biden's intel said this week that the story was never verified. But leading up to the election the NYT's reported from their anonymous sources that it was true . Because of that story the Senate vetoed Trump hindering his efforts to get our soldiers home. But now that Biden has decided to bring the troops home from Afghanistan, his intel comes clean over the bogus story so it clears the way for Biden to do what Trump fought against the neo cons in his own party to do it. I am not a betting woman but in this instance my guess would be it was the friggin neo-cons that actually started the false story to hinder Trump.

When someone says the term neo-con it is important to understand where the term came from. In the 60's and 70's the Democratic Party the majority had become pacifists. The hawks in the party were not happy with that stance as well as their stance on social issues. The term neoconservative was popularized during by the 70's by a socialist leader Michael Harrington who used the term to define Democrats Bell, Moynihan and Irving Kristol. whose ideologies differed from Harrington's. The term started in the Democratic party and now it is a term that is used to identify Republican hawks.

Republican senators found the NYT more credible than Trump. Although Biden points out, it isn't completely discredited.
 

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Republican senators found the NYT more credible than Trump. Although Biden points out, it isn't completely discredited.
Republican senators who did not want to see the troops come home from Afghanistan is the only time they joined the Democrats to veto Trump. All they needed is an excuse and the NYT's report gave them the excuse. Biden's own intel has stated the level of it being true was very low. In other words it was never verified. Nothing in the intel is completely verified but when it is at a level so low it is treated as false.
 

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"On Wednesday, Rep. Liz Cheney was asked a straightforward question by Fox News' Neil Cavuto: "If Donald Trump were the 2024 nominee, would you support him?" And the Wyoming House Republican gave an equally straightforward answer: "I would not." ... her outspokenness about Trump could cost her in 2022 as he works to primary her, which the ex-President added to with this statement released Wednesday night: "She is so far down in Wyoming polls that the only way she can win is numerous candidates running against her and splitting the vote. Hopefully, that won't happen. I'll make an Endorsement soon!"

... it's very hard to imagine how Trump doesn't remain deeply damaged goods to the general electorate in 2024. Democrats -- even many moderate and conservative ones -- will NEVER consider voting for him because of his actions in office, all of which culminated with January 6 and its aftermath. And it's almost as hard to imagine how independents, who tend to be swayed by the mood of the country and the economy, would opt for Trump amid what is almost certain to be a boom time in the country -- economically and otherwise -- following the battle against the Covid-19 virus.

...So, why is Cheney on an island in seeing how little Trump has of winning -- when compared to the rest of the 2024 aspirants? Well, she isn't. She's just the only one (or one of the only ones) willing to say it. Because the paradox of Trump is that while he is utterly damaged in a general election, he may well be unbeatable in a Republican presidential primary. Which is why the likes of former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley ruled out running in 2024 if Trump is in the race because, well, what's the point?

Fear remains the dominant emotion when it comes to how Republican elected officials view Trump. And it's that fear that could well relegate them to a near-certain second Trump loss in 2024 unless they find some political courage between now and then."

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I think she is right that Trump is not the path to victory in the general election in 2024. But is he unbeatable in the Republican primary? All the other speculative candidates: Hawley, Cruz, Cotton, Haley, Hogan, DeSantis, Rubion, etc. will be happy to throw dirt on his sagging fortunes should they decline (or atr the very least do nothing to lift them up). And I don't see his fortunes going anywhere but down. If they do, will Cheney be rewarded for getting their first, or blamed for getting the ball rolling?

This is the only comment I've read so far, but I'll continue reading after I post this comment.
I think Cheney is history in Wyoming. I think she'll lose in 22.
I think it very likely Trump will be the 24 nominee if he chooses to run.
I don't think a single Dem would vote for Trump. Independents - now I think that's a different situation. My guess is Biden policy, and how very far left he's willing to go, has been shocking to many. But, most importantly, I think the complete disaster he's invited at the border will be incredibly difficult for him to escape. In all polls, his border and immigration numbers are terrible - often in the 20s (and going down with each poll) when he's typically in the 50s on most other issues. So, who Independents will vote for will, IMO, be far more dependent on Biden actions and policy than on whether or not Trump is the nominee. Biden offends few and Trump offends many. BUT, Trump policy was good for America and was absolutely mainstream compared to Biden's. Trump was pro-America. Biden was a nothing in the election. The entire election was anti-Trump. But now, that has changed dramatically. Biden's decisions/actions/policy are front and center. I think Biden (his policy!) will have far more influence on Independents in 24 than Trump, the personality, will - should Trump be the nominee.
Trump's first step will be 22 and seeing how much impact he can have on the midterm. My guess is it will be significant. After we see how 22 goes, I think Trump will make his personal decision about 24.
I think there are 3 excellent speculative candidates in your list of 7. We'll see what Trump decides and if any of those 7 decide to take him on if he chooses to run. If Trump runs, I think he'll be a serious force to reckon with. I think he still has significant support and it is now known that the policy differences between a Joe Biden and Donald Trump are huge and very significant to the country.
 

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4. The fact is, if Trump decides to run in 2024, he will be President again. If he doesn't decide to run, then whomever he endorses will be President.
I certainly think this is quite possibly true.
 

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Could you vote for Cheney if she won the nomination?
I'd address this question if I thought it was at all possible - but I'd put the chances of this happening at a solid 0.
 

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It will be a mess because if Trump doesn't run, he will do everything he can to make it about him. That likely means that he'll be coy about whether to run well into the primary just to generate attention. I also imagine he'll flip-flop a couple of times - again that will keep the field of sycophants on their toes and generate press. I can imagine him opting in, then opting out, then opting back in late in the process just to settle grievances and soothe his ego.

As for 2024, he'll still get the Mycroft-caliber votes of course but that is an increasingly diminishing group.
I don't agree with this. Trump has surprised me quite a bit with how quiet he's been willing to be since his term ended. If Trump doesn't run, I think he'll be working hard on behalf of a presidential candidate/nominee and on behalf of congressional candidates, but I think the part which will be about him will be his ability to be influential with voters - and I think he'll very successfully play a significant role in that way. He'll know it and he'll boast about it. And maybe, rightfully so as I think he'll have great influence!
 

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I am asking you to speculate. Does that make you uncomfortable? You seem irritated by the question.
Sorry, but it's too stupid of a question to speculate about. If you want to know how I think she'd do as a candidate, I think she'd be out sooner than Kamala was. There is simply no chance she'd ever be the Republican nominee.
 

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Trumpanzee republicans as well play the "split the vote" tactic. This prick got caught and is headed to jail. And Gaetz appears to be tied to him as well.


It appears you didn't read this part of my comment: " That tactic has been used before by the GOP Elites ".

In any case, it also appears you don't understand how the "split the vote" tactic used by the GOP Elites operates. It has nothing to do with "ghost candidates". Think about it...there were no ghost candidates in the 2016 Republican primary. If you want to know how it works, let me know and I'll direct you to a knowledgeable source.
 

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Who cares what Cheney thinks? She is not going to win her primary in 2022. Her days are numbered in the House. There is a very good chance in 2022 that Republicans will regain the House but Cheney will not be one of them. Maybe she can go work in the swamp as a lobbyist for those companies that have gotten wealthy over all the never ending conflicts she continues to support.

I have not heard Trump say anything about running again but there are a lot of people hope that he does. But right now he does have the ability to pick influence who does including supporting several Republicans that will be challenging others in primaries.

Six weeks ago, Candace Owens said she was considering running for president in 2024. She was immediately raked through the coals on the left. Nicki Haley is also considering it too but she was on of the first who came out against Trump and since walked ALL that back and now says she would support Trump if he were to win the primary in 2024. She isn't going anywhere. And of course Mike Pence. But the one everyone is wondering about is DeSantis. You can tell which ones the left find as a threat by the way the MSM and social media trashes them like editing interviews to make it look like someone is guilty or a hit piece story by 'anonymous sources. Trump, DeSantis, Owens are the three they seem to fear.

Today Vernon Jones, announced his run for Georgia governor in 2022 challenging Kemp in the primary. Kemp might as well start collecting U haul boxes for his move out of the governor's mansion. :love:
Oh, I hadn't yet heard about the Jones' announcement. Very interesting, indeed!
 

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Did you happen to catch the story today where it was revealed that the NYT's story on the intelligence community backed off reports that Russia placed bounties on the heads of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. Biden's intel said this week that the story was never verified. But leading up to the election the NYT's reported from their anonymous sources that it was true . Because of that story the Senate vetoed Trump hindering his efforts to get our soldiers home. But now that Biden has decided to bring the troops home from Afghanistan, his intel comes clean over the bogus story so it clears the way for Biden to do what Trump fought against the neo cons in his own party to do it. I am not a betting woman but in this instance my guess would be it was the friggin neo-cons that actually started the false story to hinder Trump.
Yes I did and saw so many of the tapes of the fake BS the MSM was spewing about that story back then. It's just amazing isn't it? Every single thing they report is a fabrication for political gain and political harm. The depths of the corrupt swamp is simply stunning.
 

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Yes I did and saw so many of the tapes of the fake BS the MSM was spewing about that story back then. It's just amazing isn't it? Every single thing they report is a fabrication for political gain and political harm. The depths of the corrupt swamp is simply stunning.

Sadly, Trump's credibility, especially with Russia, was so shot, not even Republican senators believed him.
 

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Is Mike Pompeo getting short shrift here?
 

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Trump has never been right since the day he became a self centered political animal and 30,500 lies later documents such
Was that before, or after, Trump switched from being a life-long Democrat to become a Republican in 2012?
 
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