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What Liz Cheney has figured out about Donald Trump and 2024

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I don't think Liz Cheney will survive a primary in Wyoming but I would not underestimate the power of her voice when it comes to exposing Trump for what he is and what he did. If Trump runs again in 2024, which I doubt he does, he will lose just like he lost in 2020. The majority of Americans despise him and, after January 6th, many more saw him for what he was. The country will not choose to be put through another 4 years of his hateful and destructive rhetoric. Of course, voting restrictions being put in place could influence outcomes, especially the undemocratic ability of legislatures to overturn the vote of the people and control election offices.

However, as I said, I don't think he runs rather I think he looks for ways to make money for himself and control the Republican party. He will want all the glory for a win but he will not put himself in a position to personally lose again. If the Republican party chooses the right candidate I think they could pull back many of the voters Trump has alienated in the last 4 years and pull off a win.....but Trump will likely make sure it is not a candidate who can do that but rather a candidate he can control should they win.
He still has support from over 70% of republicans. Keep thinking he doesn't have a chance.
 

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He has 0 chance of winning again. He only beat Hillary because she was so hated.
We will see. Biden probably won't even last 4 years and Trump would beat Kamala easily.
 

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He still has support from over 70% of republicans. Keep thinking he doesn't have a chance.
......and Republicans represent approximately 25% of voters. Do the math.
 

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......and Republicans represent approximately 25% of voters. Do the math.
Without Covid and altering votes, your old dementia fool never would have won.
 

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Without Covid and altering votes, your old dementia fool never would have won.
If that makes you feel better about your loss, that's OK.
 

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If that makes you feel better about your loss, that's OK.
You people CHEATED and had a virus to benefit you. It doesn't matter that 500K Americans died, as long as President Trump was out right?
 

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You people CHEATED and had a virus to benefit you. It doesn't matter that 500K Americans died, as long as President Trump was out right?
Boy do you have that one backwards! If Trump had acknowledged the virus and dealt with it he could have been a hero and I believe he could have won. However, he didn't. He minimized it, politized it, mismanaged it and showed no empathy for the 1/2 million lives lost on his watch! Trump lost because the majority of Americans saw him for who he is....and it wasn't just Covid.
 

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You people CHEATED and had a virus to benefit you. It doesn't matter that 500K Americans died, as long as President Trump was out right?

1. The virus would have benefitted any incumbent who is competent.
2. There was no cheating. In fact, he had Russia's help and got caught trying to cheat through extorting the Ukraine.
3. He never led in the polls.
4. He is incapable of winning over 50 % of the vote.
5. He left office with a 38% approval rating.

He just got beat. And now he is damaged goods.
 

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Boy do you have that one backwards! If Trump had acknowledged the virus and dealt with it he could have been a hero and I believe he could have won. However, he didn't. He minimized it, politized it, mismanaged it and showed no empathy for the 1/2 million lives lost on his watch! Trump lost because the majority of Americans saw him for who he is....and it wasn't just Covid.
He had no chance from the beginning, because the dems and the media were against from day one. All because he beat your queen Hillary.
 

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Thats what was said in 2016. It only shifted in 2020 because of a crooked partisan press, a bunch of lies by the DOJ and FBI, and finally a covid pandemic and the democrats illegally altering state voting regulations in about a half dozen state to allow for a lot of suspicious voting. The "Donald" will either run or determine who does because he is still the most dominant man in the party.
I think your last sentence here is quite likely. I think so many Republicans will support those whom Trump endorses - that, even if he doesn't run, the person he wants to be the nominee will very likely get the nomination. Trump's endorsement will be powerful and bring lots of primary votes.
 

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We will see. Biden probably won't even last 4 years and Trump would beat Kamala easily.
Continue to dream and dont forget to give him donations
 

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Thats what was said in 2016. It only shifted in 2020 because of a crooked partisan press, a bunch of lies by the DOJ and FBI, and finally a covid pandemic and the democrats illegally altering state voting regulations in about a half dozen state to allow for a lot of suspicious voting. The "Donald" will either run or determine who does because he is still the most dominant man in the party.
He lost because he was a terrible
 

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He had no chance from the beginning, because the dems and the media were against from day one. All because he beat your queen Hillary.

The inverse is true. If the media and Hillary didn't oppose him, he wouldn't be so popular among Republicans and conservatives. This is his most distinguishing characteristic and why people love him. He just didn't stand for much more and it just wasn't enough people attracted to this demagoguery.
 

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I think your last sentence here is quite likely. I think so many Republicans will support those whom Trump endorses - that, even if he doesn't run, the person he wants to be the nominee will very likely get the nomination. Trump's endorsement will be powerful and bring lots of primary votes.
Could not agree more. It is highly likely that a candidate Trump endorses, at this point in time, will win the nomination. Which is fabulous because whomever he endorses will be of his ilk and is unlikely to win a national election.
 

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Could not agree more. It is highly likely that a candidate Trump endorses, at this point in time, will win the nomination. Which is fabulous because whomever he endorses will be of his ilk and is unlikely to win a national election.
I'm sorry, what did Canada say again?
 

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I'm sorry, what did Canada say again?
Here you go....." Could not agree more. It is highly likely that a candidate Trump endorses, at this point in time, will win the nomination. Which is fabulous because whomever he endorses will be of his ilk and is unlikely to win a national election."
 

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Here you go....." Could not agree more. It is highly likely that a candidate Trump endorses, at this point in time, will win the nomination. Which is fabulous because whomever he endorses will be of his ilk and is unlikely to win a national election."
Keep telling yourself that and worry about your idiot prime minister.
 

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Keep telling yourself that and worry about your idiot prime minister
Same thing, at this point unlikely he will win a national election.....a minority again, maybe. Doesn't change the fact Trump is hugely unpopular as are his divisive tactics.
 

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I'm sorry, what did Canada say again?
Lol. Yeah, about a U.S. election, it's certainly irrelevant what Canada says, isn't it? But heck, mass mailed ballots just went anywhere and everywhere in our last election - so hard to know how many Canadian citizens might have used one. And, if a water bill does the trick for voter registration, there are PLENTY of Canadians who dislike their cold climate and have second homes in Arizona and Florida.
 

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I think she is right that Trump is not the path to victory in the general election in 2024. But is he unbeatable in the Republican primary? All the other speculative candidates: Hawley, Cruz, Cotton, Haley, Hogan, DeSantis, Rubion, etc. will be happy to throw dirt on his sagging fortunes should they decline (or atr the very least do nothing to lift them up). And I don't see his fortunes going anywhere but down. If they do, will Cheney be rewarded for getting their first, or blamed for getting the ball rolling?
Today, I'd say you're absolutely correct. There's no way today independents would vote for Trump in the general election. The Republican Party is still the smaller of the two major parties and to win in the general election, they must win independents. Today 38% of independents have a favorable view of Trump, 56% unfavorable. Question 67F.


That's about the same favorable/unfavorable's Trump had on election day from independents which he lost to Biden 54-41 in the 2020 presidential election. On election day independents view of Trump was 39% favorable/60% unfavorable. Question 89A. This leads me to believe Trump would lose independents today the the about the same margin and thus the 2024 presidential election.


Now 2024 is still 3 1/2 years away. We don't know what unforeseen events and or happenings will occur between now and then which makes making predictions about 2024 kind of useless. I've been looking at 2022 midterms. The senate mostly. It is useless to look at the house elections until reapportionment occurs and the new district lines are drawn. So no predictions on the house. Although I will add Democratic congressional critters have fallen some in the public's approval of them from Feb 2021 to today from 45% favorable down to 40% favorable among all adults and from 36% favorable among independents down to 27%. The republican party congressional critters from all adults has risen from 30% back in Feb to 34% today. Among independents only, Republicans in congress are the same, 26% in Feb, 26% today. Which only means independents aren't happy with either major party's congressional members. Independents could go either way.

Right now there looks like 7 senate seats in play with all the rest either solid or safe for the party that now holds them. Democratic seats that the Republicans could pick up, Arizona, Georgia and New Hampshire. Republicans seats that the Democrats could pick up, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. With Toomey and Burr retiring from the senate, that makes the democrats a slight favorite in North Carolina and Pennsylvania. But again this is as of today, not Nov 2022 which a lot can happen between now and then. If I was doing my forecast, I would give the democrats a net gain of 2 seats for a 52-48 advantage. NC, Penn and Wisconsin go Democratic, NH goes Republican the rest remain with the party who holds them.

My take on all of this anyway.
 

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Yeah, about a U.S. election, it's certainly irrelevant what Canada says, isn't it? But heck, mass mailed ballots just went anywhere and everywhere in our last election - so hard to know how many Canadian citizens might have used one. And, if a water bill does the trick for voter registration, there are PLENTY of Canadians who dislike their cold climate and have second homes in Arizona and Florida.
You really can't fix stupid and that is one of the stupidest posts I have seen here
 
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I liked Trump because he was a fighter. His main problem was all too often he was obnoxious. He should have learned how to use humor more often to attack his opponents and to ignore criticism form people who don’t matter.

For the next president I could prefer a conservative fighter who wasn’t wimpy, wimpy, wimpy like RINO Romney. A younger candidate not afraid to take on the democrats and the liberal media and someone who does not believe this nation should be a socialist workers paradise.

Since I ive in Florida I have watched my Governor, Ron DeSantis with interest. He may well be the candidate I back for president if he chooses to run. He is a fighter and his leadership durning the COVID-19 pandemic has made living in Florida much easier than living in many other states. He also doesn’t love BLM and Antifa riots like so many other governors do. Shortly he will sign a tough law to deal with rioters in Florida.

 

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I liked Trump because he was a fighter. His main problem was all too often he was obnoxious. He should have learned how to use humor more often to attack his opponents and to ignore criticism form people who don’t matter.

For the next president I could prefer a conservative fighter who wasn’t wimpy, wimpy, wimpy like RINO Romney. A younger candidate not afraid to take on the democrats and the liberal media and someone who does not believe this nation should be a socialist workers paradise.

Since I ive in Florida I have watched my Governor, Ron DeSantis with interest. He may well be the candidate I back for president if he chooses to run. He is a fighter and his leadership durning the COVID-19 pandemic has made living in Florida much easier than living in many other states. He also doesn’t love BLM and Antifa riots like so many other governors do. Shortly he will sign a tough law to deal with rioters in Florida.

 

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No one cares about Cheney she is done. Won't be reelected....... ;)

House GOP Conference Chairwoman Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) has seen her political support completely collapse in Wyoming as solid majorities of both Republicans and all voters in the state want her out of office, a new poll shows.

What’s more, Cheney has fallen behind her primary challenger by more than double digits, a sharp turn in just weeks against the one-time rising star since she voted to impeach former President Donald Trump.


The poll, conducted by Trump’s team and first reported by Politico, shows 73 percent of Republicans in ruby red Wyoming view her unfavorably—while 62 percent of all voters in the state similarly view her unfavorably.

Only 10 percent of GOP voters, and 13 percent of all voters, say they would vote to reelect her, and she trails by more than 30 points—54 percent to 21 percent—against state Sen. Anthony Bouchard, who has announced a campaign against her since her impeachment vote.
Did you say that Trump's team conducted the poll? Perhaps there may be some questions of creditability.
 
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