What is the 5th column?

[Caine]

That would be more believable if all children were treated equally regardless of their faith and ethnic backgroud - i.e., if Muslim children were required to jump through the same kind of hoops so they can "understand" how other religions work.

Otherwise, I have to echo

Again, I didn't say I agree with it.
But that doesn't substatiate a claim that states the ACLU is supporting terrorism.
Alot of people confuse Islam with Terrorism, and thats very ignorant.

 

[nkgupta80]

exactly, this thread is arguing that liberals, namely the ACLU, are the 5th column and support the terrorists. Everything cited against the ACLU so far has no bearing on this argument.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Hey Caine, go and read all of page 3. The ACLU supoorts terror and overthrowing demcoracy and republics. They support only socialism and thats what the organization was founded on. The founding father was a Stalinist.

Hey you asked for it. I simply said look it up yourself but since you didnt, now you have no argument. My talking points are right on with what the ACLU stands for and is wanting to accomplish.

AGAIN CAINE read page 3. If you want I can dish out more for you. Just let me know when you have had enough. :lol:

Nkgupta failed to provide adequate arguments. He says one thing then he consistently tries to change his mind and restate what he meant. I dont debate with people that dont know what they mean. Mabe you can get someone in here that 1)knows what the debate is about 2)has a feverent understanding of what the 5th column is in concordance to the ACLU 3)knows how to carry a debate and knows what they mean. If you cant do this then I am sorry but your opinions dont matter to me cause you both have already made it quite clear to everyone that you have no understanding on what this debate is about. I am tired of debating with people that dont know what the hell they are talking about and dont knwo what they meant. It is really getting tiring.

 

[Caine]

Hey Caine, go and read all of page 3. The ACLU supoorts terror and overthrowing demcoracy and republics. They support only socialism and thats what the organization was founded on. The founding father was a Stalinist.

Hey you asked for it. I simply said look it up yourself but since you didnt, now you have no argument. My talking points are right on with what the ACLU stands for and is wanting to accomplish.

AGAIN CAINE read page 3. If you want I can dish out more for you. Just let me know when you have had enough. :lol:

Nkgupta failed to provide adequate arguments. He says one thing then he consistently tries to change his mind and restate what he meant. I dont debate with people that dont know what they mean. Mabe you can get someone in here that 1)knows what the debate is about 2)has a feverent understanding of what the 5th column is in concordance to the ACLU 3)knows how to carry a debate and knows what they mean. If you cant do this then I am sorry but your opinions dont matter to me cause you both have already made it quite clear to everyone that you have no understanding on what this debate is about. I am tired of debating with people that dont know what the hell they are talking about and dont knwo what they meant. It is really getting tiring.

Socialism is not Terrorism.
Who gives a **** if it was founded by a Stalinist. Again, they are doing nothing to support the terrorists. Show me what they are doing NOW to support terrorism. Islam is not Terrorism. Socialism is not Terrorism.

You still have not showed where you got that little list of the goals of Socialism. Your source is probably not credible or its in your propaganda books you have.

 

[jallman]

Hey Caine, go and read all of page 3. The ACLU supoorts terror and overthrowing demcoracy and republics. They support only socialism and thats what the organization was founded on. The founding father was a Stalinist.

Hey you asked for it. I simply said look it up yourself but since you didnt, now you have no argument. My talking points are right on with what the ACLU stands for and is wanting to accomplish.

AGAIN CAINE read page 3. If you want I can dish out more for you. Just let me know when you have had enough. :lol:

Nkgupta failed to provide adequate arguments. He says one thing then he consistently tries to change his mind and restate what he meant. I dont debate with people that dont know what they mean. Mabe you can get someone in here that 1)knows what the debate is about 2)has a feverent understanding of what the 5th column is in concordance to the ACLU 3)knows how to carry a debate and knows what they mean. If you cant do this then I am sorry but your opinions dont matter to me cause you both have already made it quite clear to everyone that you have no understanding on what this debate is about. I am tired of debating with people that dont know what the hell they are talking about and dont knwo what they meant. It is really getting tiring.

I'll tell you what is getting really tiring. Its this arrogant, self involved attitude and lack of ability to show clear sources for your information. "Look it up" doesnt carry much weight in a debate as the burden is on you to show proof for your arguments. As yet, you haven't bothered so your points will remain moot until such a time as you do show sources. And Mikey's broadcast doesnt count as it is nothing more than over-the-top opining and harassment of clear thinkers. Yes, I broke down and listened to a broadcast just to be fair, and the man (I do use that term very loosely) is a whack job.

What is clear to me is that there are a lot of sheep and cattle that just want to be prodded along by media mouths. Nothing is innovative about what you are saying and I hardly find the repetition of your hero Mikey to be relevant to proper debate. So, debate-boy, put up or shut up...show some sources or at least provide links/bibliographies or sit down and accept your lot in life as a follower.

 

[nkgupta80]

Nkgupta failed to provide adequate arguments. He says one thing then he consistently tries to change his mind and restate what he meant. I dont debate with people that dont know what they mean. Mabe you can get someone in here that 1)knows what the debate is about 2)has a feverent understanding of what the 5th column is in concordance to the ACLU 3)knows how to carry a debate and knows what they mean. If you cant do this then I am sorry but your opinions dont matter to me cause you both have already made it quite clear to everyone that you have no understanding on what this debate is about. I am tired of debating with people that dont know what the hell they are talking about and dont knwo what they meant. It is really getting tiring.

uhhh ok I clarified what I meant about whether the founder liked communism not mattering in the current debate. Thats not really changing my mind.

Secondly, All examples you provided do not show ACLU advocating terrorism. Advocating for fair trial in detainment camps is not supporting terror.

Supporting the ban of religious icons in schools is not supporting terror.

Having a socialist founder and memebers who tend to be socialist does not make them a supporter of terror.

I asked for evidence that shows that the ACLU supports terror. So far you've just given me random crap.

And I am the one who can't debate?

 

[SKILMATIC]

I'll tell you what is getting really tiring. Its this arrogant, self involved attitude and lack of ability to show clear sources for your information. "Look it up" doesnt carry much weight in a debate as the burden is on you to show proof for your arguments.

Read page 3 my lovely little friend. There is that better for your feelings. I am sorry I have to remember I may hurt your feelings. I thought fishermen were tough? I know its tougher than my current job.

You still have not showed where you got that little list of the goals of Socialism. Your source is probably not credible or its in your propaganda books you have.

Again your missing the point read page 3. You still havent understood what this debate is about. So I will again ask you to read page 3.

uhhh ok I clarified what I meant about whether the founder liked communism not mattering in the current debate. Thats not really changing my mind.


And I am the one who can't debate?

So one of the Directors in the ACLU who has said himself that terroism should continue till Israel is no more isnt advocating trrorism? Well gee if thats not advocating teror then I would like to knwo what will. God you liberals are really menatally disordered. Get a arguemnt for christs sakes. Read page 3. It looks like you missed the whole thing. I knwo its alot for you liberals to read so I will understand if I dont hear from you in 2 weeks.

 

[Caine]

Again ou arent debating me until you even know one thing about what we are discussing. You have no idea of even 1 case the ACLU has had a hand in. You cant even name the main delegates and lawyers in the ACLU. You prolly didnt even know what the ACLU stands for. Please stop waisting my intelligence.

Heres one simple little hint for you. In a referendum the ACLU has provided manuals to the terrorists who are imprisoned that teaches them ways to manipulate the gov and saying they have free speech which they dont. The ACLU is harboring their 4th ammendment which they have none. First, they arent even a citizen of the US, and second terrorists arent even covered by the g convention. IN all actuality for thier actions the g convention states they should be shot. It is under the ways to wage war. If the opponent isnt in uniform and doesnt follow guidelines like that of a military then they shall be shot under the g convention. So they should be dead right now but instead the ACLU thinks they have a right to free speech and a fair trial(which they dont).

Also Bowles(which you prolly dont have a clue who he is) also made a statements that he not only supports arab terroristsbut he also claims that "the very concept of terrorism is a mere racsist construct." He also says quote"that terrorism shoud continue until Israel capitulates." But your right the ACLU doesnt even endorse terrorism. BTW Bowles incase you dont know is the Terrorism Coordinator for the ACLU. Do I seriously need to read this back to you or can you at least read in black and white? Or can you now do your own research? Cause I am tired of holding your hand.

Whats your source propaganda book man?

 

[jallman]

Read page 3 my lovely little friend. There is that better for your feelings. I am sorry I have to remember I may hurt your feelings. I thought fishermen were tough? I know its tougher than my current job.

What? Huh? Are you that retarded? Who said anything about fisherman? Though I dont doubt my job is tougher than yours...I mean, how hard is it for you to ask "Would you like fries with that?" And no, I dont let the mentally challenged hurt my feelings. They cant help it when they say retarded things.

I have read page three of this thread. I still see no point to it being that you never backed any of it up. Mikey cant think for you this time...scary huh? Silly neocon, ideas are for big kids.

 

[SKILMATIC]

What? Huh? Are you that retarded? Who said anything about fisherman?

I asked you in a earlier thread if you were a fisherman in alaska and you said yes. Well at least i thought you were refering to my question.

Fyi, I am a logistics manager for a corporation called Velocity Express. I handle the largest account here in san diego which is a pharmaceutical company called Omnicare.

I was a weapons ordinance logistics specialist for the navy for 4 yrs. I served in Iraq(twice) and in afghanistan. I am currently in college pursuing a degree in aeronautical engineering and I just recently got accepted to the Air Force Academy which I wll be shipping out to early of next year.

 

[SKILMATIC]

So what do you do for a living if you dont mind me asking?

 

[Caine]

So what do you do for a living if you dont mind me asking?

Avoiding the question still.
What legitimate sources do you have that prove the ACLU is supporting terrorism.

Remember,
Communism is not Terrorism.
Islam is not Terrorism.

 

[jallman]

I asked you in a earlier thread if you were a fisherman in alaska and you said yes. Well at least i thought you were refering to my question.

Fyi, I am a logistics manager for a corporation called Velocity Express. I handle the largest account here in san diego which is a pharmaceutical company called Omnicare.

I was a weapons ordinance logistics specialist for the navy for 4 yrs. I served in Iraq(twice) and in afghanistan. I am currently in college pursuing a degree in aeronautical engineering and I just recently got accepted to the Air Force Academy which I wll be shipping out to early of next year.

Hey congrats on the Air Force Academy and thanks for your service. I really mean that. I guess there was a miscommunication concerning me being a fisherman...no I am not a fisherman except for sport. I work for the finest computer support company here in Alaska. I deal mainly with business networks, remote administration solutions, and POS solutions for the hospitality industry (a big thing up here). Before coming to Alaska, I worked in the Research Triangle Park at the NIEHS, Laboratory of Molecular Carcenogenity.

So anyway, now that I have a new found respect for you...whats this hang up with Mikey? I listened to about 20 minutes of one of his broadcasts and I think the man is just disturbed....I find it hard to believe he has a PhD.

 

[Caine]

Hey congrats on the Air Force Academy and thanks for your service. I really mean that. I guess there was a miscommunication concerning me being a fisherman...no I am not a fisherman except for sport. I work for the finest computer support company here in Alaska. I deal mainly with business networks, remote administration solutions, and POS solutions for the hospitality industry (a big thing up here). Before coming to Alaska, I worked in the Research Triangle Park at the NIEHS, Laboratory of Molecular Carcenogenity.

So anyway, now that I have a new found respect for you...whats this hang up with Mikey? I listened to about 20 minutes of one of his broadcasts and I think the man is just disturbed....I find it hard to believe he has a PhD.

RTP huh?
How did you like North Carolina?

 

[SKILMATIC]

Avoiding the question still.
What legitimate sources do you have that prove the ACLU is supporting terroism.
QUOTE]

I have already provided several sources. Please read page 3.

Hey congrats on the Air Force Academy and thanks for your service. I really mean that. I guess there was a miscommunication concerning me being a fisherman...no I am not a fisherman except for sport. I work for the finest computer support company here in Alaska. I deal mainly with business networks, remote administration solutions, and POS solutions for the hospitality industry (a big thing up here). Before coming to Alaska, I worked in the Research Triangle Park at the NIEHS, Laboratory of Molecular Carcenogenity.

Well thanks for the compliments and I did misunderstand that you fish for pleasure. I for some reason thought it was your job. Well amidst this heated debate I am in love with you now. I love computer guys(ok now im sounding gay:lol: ). No but in all actuality I can use all the computer guys I can get. So do you troubleshoot networking problems? I have a question regarding that.

And NIEHS isnt that a tree hugger institution? So you are a lab guy huh? Do you work with CADD at all? What exactly do you do in the area of carcenogenics? I am a bit intrigued. You have just sparked an interest.

 

[SKILMATIC]

So anyway, now that I have a new found respect for you...whats this hang up with Mikey? I listened to about 20 minutes of one of his broadcasts and I think the man is just disturbed....I find it hard to believe he has a PhD.

O btw, what episode did you listen to? What was it about? Was it todays? It couldnt be yesterdays cause he airs between 3-5or6 PAC time.

 

[Caine]

GOOGLE SEARCHER!!! :lol:

Lets see.... No sources here.

 

[Caine]

First off they arent from the right as he is an independent. Again this is more proof that tells me you know nothing on this matter. Again educate yourself instead of drawing conclusions. You are assuming sooo much its making this whole forum making an a$$ of itself. Now go and learn a few things dude.

This guy has said openly that he beleives the right and the left are wrong. So again go and edumacate yourself on these matters before you have a discussion on them.

Lets see.......
Nope No Sources here!

 

[Caine]

D I have to walk your hand through everything? Its called go to a local library or go to barnes and noble.

Lets see....
No Sources here!

 

[Caine]

Again ou arent debating me until you even know one thing about what we are discussing. You have no idea of even 1 case the ACLU has had a hand in. You cant even name the main delegates and lawyers in the ACLU. You prolly didnt even know what the ACLU stands for. Please stop waisting my intelligence.

Heres one simple little hint for you. In a referendum the ACLU has provided manuals to the terrorists who are imprisoned that teaches them ways to manipulate the gov and saying they have free speech which they dont. The ACLU is harboring their 4th ammendment which they have none. First, they arent even a citizen of the US, and second terrorists arent even covered by the g convention. IN all actuality for thier actions the g convention states they should be shot. It is under the ways to wage war. If the opponent isnt in uniform and doesnt follow guidelines like that of a military then they shall be shot under the g convention. So they should be dead right now but instead the ACLU thinks they have a right to free speech and a fair trial(which they dont).

Also Bowles(which you prolly dont have a clue who he is) also made a statements that he not only supports arab terroristsbut he also claims that "the very concept of terrorism is a mere racsist construct." He also says quote"that terrorism shoud continue until Israel capitulates." But your right the ACLU doesnt even endorse terrorism. BTW Bowles incase you dont know is the Terrorism Coordinator for the ACLU. Do I seriously need to read this back to you or can you at least read in black and white? Or can you now do your own research? Cause I am tired of holding your hand.

And.... let see... maybe?

Nope, No sources here either!

Thats all your posts on page 3, give me a Reference that isnt propaganda from a Radio Talk Show bum that directly explains how the ACLU is active in supporting terrorism, not someone's opinion based on Communist goals that they THINK applies to the ACLU, but real evidence......

 

[SKILMATIC]

Sorry I meant to say page 4. I apologize. That was my mistake and I was wrong on that. Please look and read all of page 4.

Btw this is my 2000post and its toward you. Dont you feel special? :lol: :2wave:

 

[Caine]

Heres a little exerpt from a article.



Do I need to put up more? I can go on all night with this stuff.

Are you talking about this one with the newsmax article?

This doesn't mean anything.
Althought I think they are contradicting themselves for whatever reason, This is not directly supporting terrorist activity.
This is just saying that they are supporting the education of children on Islam.

Islam isnt Terrorism, I think I said this earlier.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Are you talking about this one with the newsmax article?

This doesn't mean anything.
Althought I think they are contradicting themselves for whatever reason, This is not directly supporting terroist activity.
This is just saying that they are supporting the education of children on Islam.

Islam isnt Terroism, I think I said this earlier.

No but did you reads the whole article? It described how these students are to learn about islamists who practice the art of jihad. And they are to culturally mimic jihadists. Just read the article more depthly it is pretty astounding. I know I was appauled

 

[Caine]

No but did you reads the whole article? It described how these students are to learn about islamists who practice the art of jihad. And they are to culturally mimic jihadists. Just read the article more depthly it is pretty astounding. I know I was appauled

Bwuaha!
I should have researched this earlier!
I went and checked out the full article at NewMax's website.

Then I did some research on this Wes Vernon guy, most of all the articles he has posted online were all Biased in thier wording, EXTREMELY biased.

So.. I found this.. a little info on him.
http://www.aim.org/speakers_individual/P2699_0_14_0/

If you look around you'll notice besides the fact that he is conservative and thinks Gore tried to steal the election....
He was a friend of the creator of AIM?
All of the AIM Links to Conservative websites?
Thier Radio shows are.. well you get it.

This man obviously has a Bias.

 

[jallman]

RTP huh?
How did you like North Carolina?

I love north carolina. I think Chapel Hill is one of the most beautiful cities in the country. I love the candor people have...the heat of the summers...the smell of honeysuckle...even the balmy humidity. I miss north carolina dearly and I will be returning once I have given the time to my company I promised to give. I have about three years to go, but rest assured, I will be back in Raleigh within a week of my fifth anniversary with my company.