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What is different between REAL CHRISTIANITY & a CULT that thinks it's "Christian"? (2 Viewers)

Atheists berating agnostics is not the same as Catholics saying someone else isnt a Catholic because they dont have exactly the same beliefs.
I didn't say it was the same, and I actually don't care who berates whom.

My point is that the atheist/agnostic position is nothing but one more single competing worldview that takes into account the holders' point of view with regards to the nature of reality. Catholicism, Buddhism and humanism drill deeper in terms of the practical usage of one's view vis-a-vis the existence of god, but atheists aren't special in their resistance to identify with that one God out of thousands, as they instead identify with that to that one worldview out of thousands.
 
Yeah, even with a religious conception of linear time, the same advances weren't made. Demonstrating the driving force behind changes in technology were material, not ideal.
I dont tink you understand. The mechanical clock spread because monks needed a way to keep standard intervals for praying. Muslims still go by the sun coming up and down.
Of course it is. It's a branch of Messianic Judaism, its early language was Aramaic.
Then where are the restrictions like kosher or halal?
 
Are the words/directives in the Christian biblical scriptures presented below the words/directives of "patriarchal men" or are they the 'inspired words/directives' of the Christian God written by patriarchal men on behalf of the Christian God?



1 Timothy 2:11​



Ephesians 5:22​


Colossians 3:18​


1 Corinthians 11:3​


1 Timothy 2:12​

I guess you arent going to read what I present. Oh well
 
They didn't.

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."
-Denis Diderot

"Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd, and bloody religion that has ever infected the world."
-Voltaire

"That which convinces reason is more valid than that which is revealed."
-Gotthold Lessing

“All religions have been invented by men... to terrify and enslave the ignorant multitude.”
– Antonio Genovesi, A Philosophical Dissertation upon Death

“The Church became more powerful by concealing the truth than by proclaiming it.”
-Pietro Giannone
The Enlightenment was overshadowed by the achievements of the romantic age.
Slavery was gotten rid of on the continent because they didn't need it for farming there anymore. They needed it in the colonies. Why does it matter where it's propagated?

"[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts."
-Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America.

"There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral."
-Rev. Alexander Campbell

"The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example."
-Rev. R. Furman, D.D., Baptist, of South Carolina

"... under the same protection as any other species of lawful property...That the Ten Commandments are the word of G-d, and as such, of the very highest authority, is acknowledged by Christians as well as by Jews...How dare you, in the face of the sanction and protection afforded to slave property in the Ten Commandments--how dare you denounce slaveholding as a sin? When you remember that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job--the men with whom the Almighty conversed, with whose names he emphatically connects his own most holy name, and to whom He vouchsafed to give the character of 'perfect, upright, fearing G-d and eschewing evil' (Job 1:8)--that all these men were slaveholders, does it not strike you that you are guilty of something very little short of blasphemy?"
-MJ Raphall, 1861

And Muslims during medieval times were deemed to be more humane and just than the Christians. Most minorities in Christian-ruled territories welcomed Muslim invaders because of this. They were seen as liberators.
Christianity making regulations about slaves was actually revolutionary. Once again there was nothing like that in Roman thought nor Islam
 
Define trust because I never argued I believe with 100% certainty that reality will remain orderly tomorrow so I'm not entirely sure why you expect me to justify it. I said predictions were probabilistic.

So you don't believe in objective truths? Can you give me an example of an objective truth in your view?

se observation as a tool to tell me what's going on in the world. Why? Because it's the tool I got. What are you using?

I use observation too, I just acknowledge that observation isn't a sufficient means for justifying knowledge claims.

What's the rational basis for thinking tomorrow the world will suddenly be made of cheese or something?

There is no rational basis, just as there is no rational basis for assuming the world will continue as-is tomorrow unless you presupppose uniformity.

I can respond to you, over and over again, because I exist in a Universe were conditions allow for it. Sort of like the cosmic equivalent of I think therefore I am. You don't have to ponder your existence, the pondering is the proof.

I would agree that our reasoning and existence point to something real. The question is what are those universal conditions and why do they justify experience?
 
Logician Man said:
Are the words/directives in the Christian biblical scriptures presented below the words/directives of "patriarchal men" or are they the 'inspired words/directives' of the Christian God written by patriarchal men on behalf of the Christian God?

I guess you arent going to read what I present. Oh well
I guess you're not going to answer my fair, pertinent, and simple question regarding the "biblical scriptures" that I asked you above for whatever reason/s. - Oh well. -
 
Logician Man said:
Are the words/directives in the Christian biblical scriptures presented below the words/directives of "patriarchal men" or are they the 'inspired words/directives' of the Christian God written by patriarchal men on behalf of the Christian God?


I guess you're not going to answer my fair and simple question regarding the "biblical scriptures" that I asked you above for whatever reason/s. - Oh well. -
Yes because Christianity is a patriarchal religion. It affirms that the male is the head of the household.

If you cant understand why it would be better than what the romans were offering I cant help you. I for one am happy we dont do infanticide anymore
 
Yes because Christianity is a patriarchal religion. It affirms that the male is the head of the household.

If you cant understand why it would be better than what the romans were offering I cant help you. I for one am happy we dont do infanticide anymore
Did the biblical Christian God not perpetrate "infanticide" upon 'infants' when He perpetrated the Great Flood upon mankind?
 
It appears that hate, which has no place in Christianity is running rampant among those who don't like Trump.

Hate is also running rampant among those who don't like LGBTQ people, Black people, brown people, Jewish people, Latinos, Muslims, strong independent women, and a few other groups of people. Many of those haters claim to be Christians.

I am no longer a Christian though my wife and family and damn near all of my friends are Christians. I don't have a personal dog in the fight, but I speak from previous experience.

Perhaps my perspective enables me to see what is obscured to others. There is a major difference between Christians and Christian Nationalists. Volumes have been written on the subject. Christian Nationalists benefit from the confusion. In fact, even many classic Christians are confused.
 
Even the link you provided proved I am CORRECT.

You also tried to claim something about hell being a grave. Hell is a place, it doesn't actually exist, but in the story it's a place.

Here is the top definition, per your link...

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grave1

/ɡrāv/
noun
noun: grave; plural noun: graves
  1. a place of burial for a dead body, typically a hole dug in the ground and marked by a stone or mound.
 
I do when I show you the OLD TESTAMENT that includes the Torah --- the first 5 books of the Bible. I don't need to do anything. Perhaps you need to put yourself out a bit.
You didn't show me the old testament.
You showed some Jewish christian website that translated the OT into English.

The old Hebrew words had NO word for Virgin explicitly. Claiming virgin is a made up translation to help create a story.

You are correct, you don't need anything. But you don't have to be taken seriously either.
Perhaps you need to put yourself out a bit.
Correctness does help in these exchanges.
 
Even the link you provided proved I am CORRECT.

You also tried to claim something about hell being a grave. Hell is a place, it doesn't actually exist, but in the story it's a place.

Here is the top definition, per your link...

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grave1

/ɡrāv/
noun
noun: grave; plural noun: graves
  1. a place of burial for a dead body, typically a hole dug in the ground and marked by a stone or mound.
I'll go with the Bible's definition...Jesus was in hell for 3 days...meaning he was dead...
 
No, it about a STRICT BIBLICAL acceptance of the WORD of GOD without any hype, decorations, or additional literature. TRUE/REAL CHRISTIANITY is not about reevaluating what the Bible says to suit ones tastes in eulogy or church structure. It is entirely realizing that CHRIST is the manifestation of GOD in the flesh and that HE came to save the lost from the penalty of all their sin through FAITH in CHRIST ALONE!

In Christ alone, my hope is found
He is my light, my strength, my song
This Cornerstone, this solid ground
Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace
When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
My Comforter, my All in All
Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh
Fullness of God in helpless babe
This gift of love and righteousness
Scorned by the ones He came to save
'Til on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied
For every sin on Him was laid
Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay
Light of the world by darkness slain
Then bursting forth in glorious Day
Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory
Sin's curse has lost its grip on me
For I am His and He is mine
Bought with the precious blood of Christ
No guilt in life, no fear in death
This is the power of Christ in me
From life's first cry to final breath
Jesus commands my destiny
No power of hell, no scheme of man
Can ever pluck me from His hand
Till He returns or calls me home
Here in the power of Christ I'll stand

ANOTHER SONG JW WITNESSES WILL NOT SING...

Every reader of the bible has their ow strict acceptance.

That's why there's 1000s of Xtian religions. And millions that have their own versions besides those Xtian religions.

Your strict version is different than every other Xtian on this forums strict version.

Is Mormon religion a true christian religion?
I bet there is 1 person here that thinks that is the only true xtian religion.
 
I'll go with the Bible's definition...Jesus was in hell for 3 days...meaning he was dead...
You can believe whatever you want.

I just provide actual words with actual definitions. That humans, which we all are, have formed.

There's a reason why no 2 people can ever agree on what the bible says. It has no basis in reality for a large part of the stories.

Isn't the main reason this thread exists is to discuss if some religions are really cults?
And I believe, that would include one you claimed to follow, because it is a smaller in size religion.

According to definitions of religion and cult, human definitions again, the only difference between them is the number of believers/followers.
 
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Yes.
I choose actual definitions to converse. Whereas, you prefer definitions that fit a preformed narrative.
I prefer truth...the grave can be, not only a pit/hole but anywhere a dead body ends up...
 
I prefer truth...the grave can be, not only a pit/hole but anywhere a dead body ends up...
No. The truth is, a grave is a dug out hole.
A tomb can be were any body could stored.

All the Egyptian king and queens were not put into graves as mummies, but tombs inside of pyramids or similar.

See, that even goes back thousands of years and not called a grave.
That. Is. The. Truth. If you actually prefer the truth.
 
No. The truth is, a grave is a dug out hole.
A tomb can be were any body could stored.

All the Egyptian king and queens were not put into graves as mummies, but tombs inside of pyramids or similar.

See, that even goes back thousands of years and not called a grave.
That. Is. The. Truth. If you actually prefer the truth.
You are conversing/discussing/debating with someone who doesn't even believe human beings are 'animals'. So there is that fact to consider. 🤷‍♂️
 
If one isn't going to listen
You're proving my point every post you make. Listening to God the way you think they should is you saying true Christianity is what you believe and everyone else is wrong.

It's more like you're saying you're God himself
 
lol...stored for what? To rot...a grave...

lol...they were their graves...
Do you know anything about mummies?
They are real mummified dead people.

It predates your story you follow. And they are real. And NOT in any grave.
But tombs.
Wait, there's a story of Jesus being in a tomb as well. AKA, not known as a grave.

You seem to be struggling with that thing called truth here.

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Egyptian Mummies​




The methods of embalming, or treating the dead body, that the ancient Egyptians used is called mummification. Using special processes, the Egyptians removed all moisture from the body, leaving only a dried form that would not easily decay. It was important in their religion to preserve the dead body in as life-like a manner as possible. So successful were they that today we can view the mummified body of an Egyptian and have a good idea of what he or she looked like in life, 3,000 years ago.

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Who Was Mummified​

After death, the pharaohs of Egypt usually were mummified and buried in elaborate tombs.

 

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