What is different between REAL CHRISTIANITY & a CULT that thinks it's "Christian"? (1 Viewer)

[tosca1]

Did you ever wonder if Atheism is a cult. I'd say it is ----- as you all sound alike...

They're a cult of a bunch that don't make any sense!

 

[CLAX1911]

Hard to get everyone to agree on what "real Christianity" is, but if you go solely by the words of Christ I'd argue anyone who supports a man who is an adulterer and a cheat, whose greed and vanity far outpace his compassion and mercy, and who routinely shits on the poor, the disenfranchised, and the immigrant is not following "real Christianity."

Whenever someone says"real Christianity" they are talking about their version.

 

[Quag]

Real Christianity is whatever a Person A believes. Fake Chrisitanity is whatever person B, who claims to be believes but doesnt beleive exactly the same as what person A believes

 

[Master Debator]

You initially said you rejected philosophical rigor, but now you agree that logic and reason are valid modes of reaching conclusions. I agree!

I said that from the beginning. What I didn't say but will now is that they are not infallible. Also, I don't know what you're defining as philosophical rigor. I said it sounded like make believe to me and you never really responded to clarify.

Alright I've listed a few two or three times now and I've described what I mean when I say 'foundational beliefs' or 'first principles.

Have you? Where? Maybe it's been lost in the shuffle but I genuinely have no idea what these foundational beliefs or first principals are. Why don't you share them again if they're important to you.

I took your original comment to mean 'infinite' in a spatial sense, meaning its vastness. If you meant the universe has always existed, then say as much.

Isn't that what I just did?

Your ability to even expect consistent consequences - like falling into a chasm - presupposes a universe where nature operates uniformly.

What? Are you making an argument about where abilities come from or the nature of the Universe?

In your view what justifies your trust that reality will remain orderly tomorrow?

Define trust because I never argued I believe with 100% certainty that reality will remain orderly tomorrow so I'm not entirely sure why you expect me to justify it. I said predictions were probabilistic.

Lol. Your line of argumentation actually supports my point. You trust that the light you see traveled millions of years, following consistent physical laws, and that your senses and reasoning can reliably interpret it. Why?

I use observation as a tool to tell me what's going on in the world. Why? Because it's the tool I got. What are you using?

I mean the assumption that the laws of physics, causality, and logic operate consistently across time and space - something you rely on when you trust the scientific method. What grounds your confidence that reality is orderly enough for the scientific method to make conclusions?

I'm not making assumptions. I'm making observations. If you want to make the case that our observations are faulty, go for it.

'Adjusting our thinking' still assumes the conditions you're testing remain consistent enough to trust your results. Hume is pointing out that there is no rational basis for assuming the conditions governing nature's regularities (and by extension, empirical observation) will hold in the future without presupposing uniformity.

What's the rational basis for thinking tomorrow the world will suddenly be made of cheese or something?

If you say all things are "conditional", you're still assuming a framework where conditions are consistent enough to be reliable.

I can respond to you, over and over again, because I exist in a Universe were conditions allow for it. Sort of like the cosmic equivalent of I think therefore I am. You don't have to ponder your existence, the pondering is the proof.

 

[LittleNipper]

Whenever someone says"real Christianity" they are talking about their version.

No, it about a STRICT BIBLICAL acceptance of the WORD of GOD without any hype, decorations, or additional literature. TRUE/REAL CHRISTIANITY is not about reevaluating what the Bible says to suit ones tastes in eulogy or church structure. It is entirely realizing that CHRIST is the manifestation of GOD in the flesh and that HE came to save the lost from the penalty of all their sin through FAITH in CHRIST ALONE!

In Christ alone, my hope is found
He is my light, my strength, my song
This Cornerstone, this solid ground
Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace
When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
My Comforter, my All in All
Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh
Fullness of God in helpless babe
This gift of love and righteousness
Scorned by the ones He came to save
'Til on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied
For every sin on Him was laid
Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay
Light of the world by darkness slain
Then bursting forth in glorious Day
Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory
Sin's curse has lost its grip on me
For I am His and He is mine
Bought with the precious blood of Christ
No guilt in life, no fear in death
This is the power of Christ in me
From life's first cry to final breath
Jesus commands my destiny
No power of hell, no scheme of man
Can ever pluck me from His hand
Till He returns or calls me home
Here in the power of Christ I'll stand

ANOTHER SONG JW WITNESSES WILL NOT SING...

 

[CLAX1911]

No, it about a STRICT BIBLICAL acceptance of the WORD of GOD without any hype, decorations, or additional literature.

Like I said it's just whatever you subscribe to that's true Christianity. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Michael Cole]

Did you ever wonder if Atheism is a cult. I'd say it is ----- as you all sound alike...

I think New Jersey is a cult. You all sound alike to me.

 

[Michael Cole]

They're a cult of a bunch that don't make any sense!

100,000 different gods over the eons, but it's atheists who don't make sense. Good self own.

 

[Michael Cole]

Real Christianity is whatever a Person A believes. Fake Chrisitanity is whatever person B, who claims to be believes but doesnt beleive exactly the same as what person A believes

When person A writes a book and tells us what it means; and person B tells person A he's wrong about what the book he wrote means, it's clear to me that whatever person B believes, is fake.

Christians see things in the OT that Jews do not. I trust the authors, myself.

 

[Quag]

When person A writes a book and tells us what it means; and person B tells person A he's wrong about what the book he wrote means, it's clear to me that whatever person B believes, is fake.

Christians see things in the OT that Jews do not. I trust the authors, myself.

The authors are long dead anyone who says anything about what the book means is stating their personal opinion and Jews dont use the new Testament which is probably the only actual thing that defines a Chrisitan

 

[LittleNipper]

I think New Jersey is a cult. You all sound alike to me.

Absolutely not! There's Noyit Joysey And there's South Jersey. South Jersey residence are influenced by Philly, and Noyit Joysey is influenced by Nu Yark.

Need to buy some wader and cawfee at the ACaME, then we'll head down the shure.

 

[LittleNipper]

Like I said it's just whatever you subscribe to that's true Christianity. Thanks for proving my point.

If one isn't going to listen to what GOD spells out in HIS word, I doubt that such even attend church ---- any church...

 

[LittleNipper]

100,000 different gods over the eons, but it's atheists who don't make sense. Good self own.

GOD created trees ----- HE isn't one. GOD created life for a reason with reason, it's not as you like it or whatever... GOD created man in HIS image and not visa versa. GOD is triune in HIS essence and not a bunch god's who govern their own part of the world or various cities. The atheist in essence believes that what exists all came about by accident, but rather then think about that they made up "theories" to occupy their mind and the rest they don't wish to dwell on.

 

[LittleNipper]

Real Christianity is whatever a Person A believes. Fake Chrisitanity is whatever person B, who claims to be believes but doesnt beleive exactly the same as what person A believes

REAL CHRISTIANITY places CHRIST at center stage.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Whenever someone says"real Christianity" they are talking about their version.

That's usually the case throughout history, and usually produces nasty results.

 

[Lycanthrope]

So.........you telling us you're lily white?
No one should be supportive of you in everything? Even if you're trying to do good?


Then, you have no idea what Jesus is all about.


Luke 5:32
I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”

I'm telling you exactly what I told you.

 

[Mulefoot]

Real Christianity is whatever a Person A believes. Fake Chrisitanity is whatever person B, who claims to be believes but doesnt beleive exactly the same as what person A believes

Atheism and/or agnosticism aren't exactly exempt, as reality is whatever a Person A believes. Fiction and fantasy is whatever person B, who claims to be believes but doesn't believe exactly the same as what person A believes.

Everyone speaks of the variety under the Christian umbrella, but in reality, everyone has their own worldview.

Nothing really new.

 

[Quag]

Atheism and/or agnosticism aren't exactly exempt, as reality is whatever a Person A believes. Fiction and fantasy is whatever person B, who claims to be believes but doesn't believe exactly the same as what person A believes.

Everyone speaks of the variety under the Christian umbrella, but in reality, everyone has their own worldview.

Nothing really new.

Agreed but atheists/agnostic generally dont say another person isnt an atheist or agnostic if they dont align with them 100%

 

[Noodlegawd]

Did you ever wonder if Atheism is a cult. I'd say it is ----- as you all sound alike...

Surprisingly, "correct" usually sounds the same, no matter who says it.

 

[L88]

Political parties have developed into cults. People algin themselves with the party's mission statement and values and do not look outside the approved message of the party.
Group-Black and White-Binary thinking.

 

[Mulefoot]

Agreed but atheists/agnostic generally dont say another person isnt an atheist or agnostic if they dont align with them 100%

Maybe. I've seen a few atheists corrected on here though on the correct atheist position - as in lacking in a belief of god instead of believing that god doesn't exist.

I've also seen people who identify as agnostic berated as cowardly and lacking conviction by atheists.

There is a tendency to want uniformity.

 

[Quag]

Maybe. I've seen a few atheists corrected on here though on the correct atheist position - as in lacking in a belief of god instead of believing that god doesn't exist.

Usually it is theists who claim atheists believe God does not exist while atheist claim they merely lack a belief in God.
But I did say generally

I've also seen people who identify as agnostic berated as cowardly and lacking conviction by atheists.

There is a tendency to want uniformity.

Atheists berating agnostics is not the same as Catholics saying someone else isnt a Catholic because they dont have exactly the same beliefs.

 

[Daisy]

That's your preferred opinion.

No, that's the truth of the Bible...

But the Bible mentions another place called HELL, with vivid description.

It is a place of eternal suffering.

If God had described it as such............why isn't it possible that He's giving a LITERAL description?

Because it does not make literal sense...

Lol - you're saying.....all people, even the good ones go to hell? Because they die?
Also - why are dead people described as "being ASLEEP?"
If they're "asleep" - that would mean, they're not dead! RIGHT?

Wrong, Jesus spoke of Lazarus as sleeping because he knew he had the power to resurrect him...not everyone will be resurrected...if the soul was immortal, there would be no need for a resurrection...

Why is there a Resurrection of the DEAD?
Everyone - including the wicked, will rise?

Some will, yes...who that is, is up to Jesus Christ...

"And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." Acts 24:15

Again....................are you saying, God was making a fib?



In a nutshell, here is what the Bible says:

Only the physical dies. It decays.
But the spirit lives on, to await the Resurrection.
They go to God, or to a special place designated for them
When the Reusrrection of the Day comes, the spirit will reunite with the physical body and it will be Resurrected as a "SPIRIT BODY" - an immortal.
Therefore, you can forget whatever it is we know right now about the human body!
We won't have the same physical composition when we rise up as immortals. OBVIOUSLY!

BS...the life force/ impersonal spirit returns to God...when you are dead, you are a dead soul...your life is gone...you cease to exist...your only hope of living again is through the resurrection...

"The soul who sins is the one who will die." Ezekiel 18:4

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Ah yes, the Mormons. I've been watching the baseball games between Reno and Salt Lake all week. The Bees have a new park.

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Kinda hard to see above the jumbotron, but it's called The Ballpark at America First Square. America First. Interesting. Are Mormons MAGA?

Some are, some are not.

America First is offensive. It's a KKK slogan and should not be used.

 

[Daisy]

Did you ever wonder if Atheism is a cult. I'd say it is ----- as you all sound alike...

That is not the definition of a cult but of true Christianity...

"Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." 1 Corinthians 1:10