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What has Obama done that has improved economic conditions, making things better

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Since when is it Federal Responsibility to fund teachers salaries? That is a state and local issue, not a Federal Taxpayer issue and you know it if that is the system you work in. Can I expect the people in your community to send mine your tax dollars to fund teachers' here? Didn't think so. If you are in the education system and you believe it is federal responsibility to pay your salary, we are in worse shape than most realize. You probably belong to the union as well.

Said nothing about responsibility, only noting those jobs were saved. Now, maybe your kids don't need teachers, and you think crowded classrooms are good for all. And of course we don't need those people spending money, as the economy just doesn't need them.
 

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Said nothing about responsibility, only noting those jobs were saved. Now, maybe your kids don't need teachers, and you think crowded classrooms are good for all. And of course we don't need those people spending money, as the economy just doesn't need them.

No, you cannot prove that your state or local community wouldn't come up with the money to fund the teachers in your area but like all liberals it is always someone else's responsibility to fund your perceived needs.
 

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As we have noted here before, the U.S. military has largely paid for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan through emergency spending measures, in effect keeping wartime costs off the books. In addition to masking skyrocketing budget growth at the Department of Defense, this process has allowed the services to treat budget supplementals as a piggy bank for new procurement. Members of Congress may have grumbled about poor oversight, but they have largely acquiesced.

Obama’s message? Not anymore.

"That is why this budget looks ahead ten years and accounts for spending that was left out under the old rules – and for the first time, that includes the full cost of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. "For seven years, we have been a nation at war. No longer will we hide its price."



Read More Obama: No More War Spending Tricks | Danger Room | Wired.com

Sleight-of-hand accounting practices since 2001 put the US on this course. Between the supplemental "war" budget requests, the deficit spending of two "wars" (and you can't blame this increase on personnel costs - the one cost Rummy didn't back), the outrageous military R&D costs that have yielded little or nothing in return, the black ops programs, the cost of running an entire separate prison system to avoid US law, the expansion of the Medicare drug program, and the tax breaks have given the world a new meaning to the cry "CHAARGE!" Just like too many US civilians used their homes as charge cards, the current administration ran up a humongous tab that will take several future generations to pay. Attempts by the Blue Dogs to turn around this avalanche spending spree for "Daddy's War" and address the losses in veteran's healthcare, Medicare, and education were rebuffed at every turn by Shrub and his party.

Budget analyst: Recent funding approach masks true costs of war (12/15/08) -- GovExec.com

Online NewsHour: Analysis | Bush Unveils Budget Proposal | February 5, 2007 | PBS

Still buying what this unqualified empty suit is telling you, I see. Fact supplemental spending is NOT part of the budget thus is hidden but it DOES hit the national debt thus the difference between actual budget for defense and actual expenditures for defense. If you went to the U.S. Treasury site I gave you, you would understand that.

one of these days you are going to stop buying what Obama tells you and when you do your credibility will soar.
 

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No, you cannot prove that your state or local community wouldn't come up with the money to fund the teachers in your area but like all liberals it is always someone else's responsibility to fund your perceived needs.

I can't prove there isn't a santa either, but we it has been made clear the positions go when the stimulus goes. Seems kinda proven if you ask me.
 

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I can't prove there isn't a santa either, but we it has been made clear the positions go when the stimulus goes. Seems kinda proven if you ask me.

Typical liberal, look for a Federal Taxpayer bailout of failed fiscally responsible local communities. No wonder we are in the mess we are in. You continue to buy the rhetoric from Obama and that doesn't give you a lot of credibilty. Amazing how local and state budgets always find enough money to pay for union leadership and administrative officials then complain about not having enough money to fund teachers. Then when push comes to shove the local communities solve their own problems so stop with the lying, there is no proof that Obama has saved ONE job.
 

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WASHINGTON -- States have used economic-stimulus dollars to fill in shortfalls in their education budgets and create or save 250,000 education jobs, the White House said Monday.

The White House and the Education Department released a new report on the impact of the approximately $100 billion in stimulus funds devoted to education, previewing part of the first quarterly public accounting of all Recovery Act spending, which will be released Oct. 30.

White House: 250,000 Teaching Jobs Aided by Stimulus - WSJ.com

Schools out of stimulus cash cut teaching jobs

Schools out of stimulus cash cut teaching jobs – amFIX - CNN.com Blogs

Stimulus Package Saved Teacher Jobs, Scholars Say

Stimulus Package Saved Teacher Jobs, Scholars Say - Teacher Beat - Education Week

Teachers face mass layoffs as stimulus runs out

Teachers face mass layoffs as stimulus ends - Business - U.S. business - Outlook 2010 - msnbc.com
 

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Typical liberal, look for a Federal Taxpayer bailout of failed fiscally responsible local communities. No wonder we are in the mess we are in. You continue to buy the rhetoric from Obama and that doesn't give you a lot of credibilty. Amazing how local and state budgets always find enough money to pay for union leadership and administrative officials then complain about not having enough money to fund teachers. Then when push comes to shove the local communities solve their own problems so stop with the lying, there is no proof that Obama has saved ONE job.

I'm just saying, those jobs were saved. They provided more money to be put back into the economy. Like I said, maybe you think we're better off without them, but don't say they would be here without the stimulus.
 

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WASHINGTON -- States have used economic-stimulus dollars to fill in shortfalls in their education budgets and create or save 250,000 education jobs, the White House said Monday.

The White House and the Education Department released a new report on the impact of the approximately $100 billion in stimulus funds devoted to education, previewing part of the first quarterly public accounting of all Recovery Act spending, which will be released Oct. 30.

White House: 250,000 Teaching Jobs Aided by Stimulus - WSJ.com

Schools out of stimulus cash cut teaching jobs

Schools out of stimulus cash cut teaching jobs – amFIX - CNN.com Blogs

Stimulus Package Saved Teacher Jobs, Scholars Say

Stimulus Package Saved Teacher Jobs, Scholars Say - Teacher Beat - Education Week

Teachers face mass layoffs as stimulus runs out

Teachers face mass layoffs as stimulus ends - Business - U.S. business - Outlook 2010 - msnbc.com

I know what the states have done with the money, doesn't mean that they had to do it that way and couldn't have come up with the money the old fashion way cutting out waste and fraud. There is no proof that Obama saved any jobs regarless of the claims made. Keep buying the rhetoric and the waste of Federal Taxpayer dollars on local issues. No wonder we have 16 million unemployed and 3 trillion added to the debt. That is the economic policy that you support.
 

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That is exactly what people like Boo want to see. He doesn't have a clue how it gets paid for nor does he care. After all, caring, compassionate liberals are all about feel good rhetoric coming from a bloated Federal Govt. that wastes taxpayer dollars all in the name of compassion yet never really generating compassionate results.

YOU? Discussing compassion?!? :lamo

Sorry, chum, but your posts prove that any passing knowledge you may have had with actual compassion was lost/forgotten long ago.
 

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I have been posting on DP since December and have asked in various threads exactly what it is that Obama has done that has made this country stronger economically and safer on the international stage. That answer has been difficult to get because it always ends up diverting to Bush and reverts to a comparison between Bush and Clinton, NOT Obama

It is time for the Obama supporters to face the tough questions thus the topic of this thread.

No matter how many times an Obama supporter blames Bush the reality is we have basic civics which most seem to not understand. Basic civics teaches us all that we have three equal branches of the govt. and two of them are involved in all the legislation. The fact is the legislative branch and executive branch are equally responsible for all the spending and the recession that NBR says began in December 2007. Democrats controlled all legislation from January 2007 and continue to control that legislation today. Problem is they control that legislation today along with the Executive Branch thus have no one to blame for the results today but themselves.

Barack Obama was part of that Congress, he voted for all the spending that liberals are blaming Bush for, and he ran on a hope and change message. Problem is I believe a majority of the American people had a different vision of hope and change than Obama.

Obama's vision of change was the European socialist model where the govt, not the private sector controls everything. There is a portion of America that believes the same thing. Problem is the Campaigner in Chief never told the American people what his vision was and the results today aren't what the people in this country envisioned.

Obama tells the people one thing and does something entirely different. He lied about inheriting a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit and in fact added most of that deficit himself with spending 350 billion of the TARP money, taking over GM/Chrysler, and signing a 862 billion dollar stimulus plan.

He lied about the benefits of that stimulus plan claiming that it would prevent unemployment from exceeding 8% or approximately 11 million unemployed Americans. Since that stimulus plan 4 million more are unemployed and over a million more have dropped out of the labor market, discouraged workers. The labor force has dropped and the unemployment today is worse than it was prior to the stimulus bill, a bill that is now over 1 trillion in cost.

He has participated in a massive expansion in the size of govt. leading to the statement now that there is no such thing as unemployment in the Federal govt. He has passed National Healthcare which does nothing to improve the quality or quantity of healthcare for the people but instead will mandate coverage for all Americans which will be paid for by a tax that he claimed he would never impose on people making less than 250,000 per year. It puts added burden on private business which will refuse to hire people due to that added cost.

His lack of executive experience is quite telling. Management 101 teaches that you can never delegate responsibility and that is all he does. He has created dozens of Czars and when they fail it is their fault not his. Every other day he blames Bush and that only fuels the anti Bush crowd but diverts from the reality of what he is doing. He was hired to "clean up" the mess the media and those with Bush Derangement Syndrome claim he was left but all he has done is make it worse and do his best to dismantle the best economic model in the nation by promoting class envy and wealth redistribution. The buck stops with you, President Obama, you helped create the mess we are in and you are doing very llittle to get us out of it. Your policies are creating unsustainable debt and massive intervention of govt. into the private sector.

Now I could go on but the questions for Obama supporters deserves answers. I look forward to having Obama supporters telling me where I am wrong.

It's all Bush's fault. Obama never had a fair chance to make change, and now it's Fox news fault that is forcing the administration to react hastily. It's never Obama's fault and how could it be, because he is so brilliant!
 

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It's all Bush's fault. Obama never had a fair chance to make change, and now it's Fox news fault that is forcing the administration to react hastily. It's never Obama's fault and how could it be, because he is so brilliant!

Exactly what Obama supporters believe, you nailed it.
 

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As we have noted here before, the U.S. military has largely paid for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan through emergency spending measures, in effect keeping wartime costs off the books. In addition to masking skyrocketing budget growth at the Department of Defense, this process has allowed the services to treat budget supplementals as a piggy bank for new procurement. Members of Congress may have grumbled about poor oversight, but they have largely acquiesced.

Obama’s message? Not anymore.

"That is why this budget looks ahead ten years and accounts for spending that was left out under the old rules – and for the first time, that includes the full cost of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. "For seven years, we have been a nation at war. No longer will we hide its price."



Read More Obama: No More War Spending Tricks | Danger Room | Wired.com

Sleight-of-hand accounting practices since 2001 put the US on this course. Between the supplemental "war" budget requests, the deficit spending of two "wars" (and you can't blame this increase on personnel costs - the one cost Rummy didn't back), the outrageous military R&D costs that have yielded little or nothing in return, the black ops programs, the cost of running an entire separate prison system to avoid US law, the expansion of the Medicare drug program, and the tax breaks have given the world a new meaning to the cry "CHAARGE!" Just like too many US civilians used their homes as charge cards, the current administration ran up a humongous tab that will take several future generations to pay. Attempts by the Blue Dogs to turn around this avalanche spending spree for "Daddy's War" and address the losses in veteran's healthcare, Medicare, and education were rebuffed at every turn by Shrub and his party.

Budget analyst: Recent funding approach masks true costs of war (12/15/08) -- GovExec.com

Online NewsHour: Analysis | Bush Unveils Budget Proposal | February 5, 2007 | PBS

You mean like pay go that does not affect Obama?
 

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YOU? Discussing compassion?!? :lamo

Sorry, chum, but your posts prove that any passing knowledge you may have had with actual compassion was lost/forgotten long ago.

Discussing compassion is all liberals do and they should be experts at those discussions because it is liberal social policy that creates victims and dependency thus it is all about talk. What is compassionate making people dependent on taxpayers? What is compassionate about using victims for personal political gain? what is compassionate about not getting results of all that spending? We have a 3.8 trillion dollar govt today and rising, we have over 13 trillion dollar debt, and we have 16 million unemployed Americans so until there are actual results then it is all rhetoric and that is what liberals like you always offer
 

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You mean like pay go that does not affect Obama?

?????

No, we should pay for what we do. And we shouldn't hide cost. But we also shouldn't just have trouble with one party when both do it.
 

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I know what the states have done with the money, doesn't mean that they had to do it that way and couldn't have come up with the money the old fashion way cutting out waste and fraud. There is no proof that Obama saved any jobs regarless of the claims made. Keep buying the rhetoric and the waste of Federal Taxpayer dollars on local issues. No wonder we have 16 million unemployed and 3 trillion added to the debt. That is the economic policy that you support.

Cutting out waste and fraud wouldn't have done it. Sorry.

Now, back to the point. Jobs were saved. Right?
 

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Cutting out waste and fraud wouldn't have done it. Sorry.

Now, back to the point. Jobs were saved. Right?

16 million lost according to BLS. BLS doesn't have a table for jobs saved and BLS is the agency that reports employment data. You sure have a distorted view of the role of the Federal govt.
 

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16 million lost according to BLS. BLS doesn't have a table for jobs saved and BLS is the agency that reports employment data. You sure have a distorted view of the role of the Federal govt.

But, we have reports of jobs being held while there was the stimulus and gone when the stumulus was gone. Surely this is evidence that supports the claim. We can see them and measure them.
 

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But, we have reports of jobs being held while there was the stimulus and gone when the stumulus was gone. Surely this is evidence that supports the claim. We can see them and measure them.

Still trying to figure out what part of state and local responsibility do you not understand? It is the job of a stimulus to CREATE jobs and it is obvious that that hasn't happened. It does appear you don't seem to have a grasp on personal responsibility either. You buy anything this Administration tells you but scrutinize everything that the Bush Administration said. Nothing partisan in your makeup. Saved jobs is a made up statistic as no one can prove the jobs wouldn't have been saved without the stimulus. There is better use of 862 billion than making up numbers to try and justify that waste of taxpayer dollars.
 

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Still trying to figure out what part of state and local responsibility do you not understand? It is the job of a stimulus to CREATE jobs and it is obvious that that hasn't happened. It does appear you don't seem to have a grasp on personal responsibility either. You buy anything this Administration tells you but scrutinize everything that the Bush Administration said. Nothing partisan in your makeup. Saved jobs is a made up statistic as no one can prove the jobs wouldn't have been saved without the stimulus. There is better use of 862 billion than making up numbers to try and justify that waste of taxpayer dollars.

Understand completely, but that isn't where we are. I said the stimulus saved jobs. You said it didn't. I was right, right? ;)

And I did porve it. When the stimulus was gone, so were the jobs. Remember, I linked that for you.
 

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Understand completely, but that isn't where we are. I said the stimulus saved jobs. You said it didn't. I was right, right? ;)

And I did porve it. When the stimulus was gone, so were the jobs. Remember, I linked that for you.

The stimulus plan has been a total and complete failure as evidenced by the 65% polling data so if jobs were saved then the majority are just like me, don't see it.
 

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The stimulus plan has been a total and complete failure as evidenced by the 65% polling data so if jobs were saved then the majority are just like me, don't see it.

I'm sorry, but polling data can't answer the question. Worries me that you think it does. Now, answer: the stimulus did save some jobs, right?
 

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I'm sorry, but polling data can't answer the question. Worries me that you think it does. Now, answer: the stimulus did save some jobs, right?

Here is a better analysis, fair in my opinion. I believe this was a total waste of taxpayer money and the results prove it. Saying that things could have been worse is nothing more than political bs. Obama wasn't hired to increase unemployment and the debt, he was hired as you would say to "clean up" the Bush mess. Results matter, not his bs or yours

Stimulus Package Report Card: Has It Worked? - CBS MoneyWatch.com
 

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Here is a better analysis, fair in my opinion. I believe this was a total waste of taxpayer money and the results prove it. Saying that things could have been worse is nothing more than political bs. Obama wasn't hired to increase unemployment and the debt, he was hired as you would say to "clean up" the Bush mess. Results matter, not his bs or yours

Stimulus Package Report Card: Has It Worked? - CBS MoneyWatch.com



Skipping my question again I see. :lamo
 

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Skipping my question again I see. :lamo

I don't skip questions, you just don't like the answer. If it doesn't appear on BLS.gov it didn't happen no matter how many articles you post. The fact is there is NO proof that those jobs wouldn't have been saved by the state and local communities as teachers are their responsibility not the Federal taxpayer.

"Your" President lied to the American people and you are giving him a pass.
 

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?????

No, we should pay for what we do. And we shouldn't hide cost. But we also shouldn't just have trouble with one party when both do it.
The GOP wanted unemployment paid for. The dems blocked it now it is adding to the debt
 
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