What does an actual aborted child look like?

[Naughty Nurse]

RRR = Rabid Religious Right.


And for those of you who think that straight sex always leads to babies, how about indulging in a little gay sex?

 

[Fantasea]

RRR = Rabid Religious Right.

And for those of you who think that straight sex always leads to babies, how about indulging in a little gay sex?

Somehow I think most folks would prefer the risk of pregnancy to the risk of AIDS.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

Somehow I think most folks would prefer the risk of pregnancy to the risk of AIDS.

Yeah... good point... because straight people can't get AIDS....

But anyway...

I have no problem with straight sex, TRUST ME.

I DO have a problem with ANY kind of IRRESPONSIBLE sex- gay, straight, or ... otherwise(?).

If I were a female, I would be a lesbian, but alas, I am a man cursed with heterosexuality. Woe is me. Whoa is me.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Regardless of how you characterize it, the fact is that every business week, 3,000 US children in the womb will never see the light of day.

Thank God! If they did people like you would be complaining about welfare, soaring medical bills, etc. Abortion is a life saver as far as I'm concerned.

In nations where the mindset is such that US aid in the form of genetically engineered corn is rejected in favor of starvation because it is looked upon as "unnatural", if you think the locals are going to take the time and effort to locate and don an "unnatural" device before they hop in the sack to satisfy that natural urge, you are whistling in the dark.

Prove it! You really have to stop making statements that are not based in reality. Prove to us all that "locals" (you wrote that with a real distaste for these people, didn't you?) will not use birth control if it's supplied. Why do you always make stuff up? Are you so removed from reality that you actually believe what you write? Or are you just into rabble rousing?

Fix the corrupt governments, educate the people out of their ignorance, instill some responsibility in them and you'll see a reduction in AIDS that will make it comparable to that of the US where, with few exceptions, it is confined to the illicit drug using and homosexual communities, both of which have free access to condoms.

Oh really? You make it sound like AIDS is under control in the USA! How unusual for you to use an untruth to make a point! You take certain stats and twist them to make your point, but the truth is that you're lying to make your point!

AIDS statistics
People living with AIDS

At the end of 2003, the CDC estimates that 405,926 persons were living with AIDS in the USA.

Of these,

* 36% were white
* 42% were black
* 20% were Hispanic
* 2% were of other race/ethnicity.

Of the adults and adolescents1 with AIDS, 77% were men. Of these men,

* 58% were men who had sex with men (MSM)
* 22% were injection drug users (IDU)
* 11% were exposed through heterosexual contact
* 8% were both MSM and IDU.

Of the 88,815 adult and adolescent women with AIDS,

* 63% were exposed through heterosexual contact
* 35% were exposed through injection drug use.

An estimated 1,998 children were living with AIDS at the end of 2003.

Persons with AIDS are surviving longer and are contributing to a steady increase in the number of people living with AIDS. This trend will continue as long as the number of people with a new AIDS diagnosis exceeds the number of people dying each year.

The rate of decrease in AIDS diagnoses slowed in the late 1990s. After reaching a plateau, the number of diagnoses increased slightly each year from 2001 to 2003. There were an estimated 43,171 diagnoses in 2003. In total, an estimated 929,985 people have been diagnosed with AIDS.

Source: http://www.avert.org/statsum.htm

Yes. Let us encourage promiscuity among the young. At the end of the sex education class the teacher should hand out condoms so that the kids can pair off and practice screwing each other so that they can get earn good grades on the homework assignments they do together.

Can't you see it, now? The fourteen year old girl saying to her perplexed mother, as if she was discussing algebra instead of sex ed, "I just can't seem to get the hang of it. Can I call Tommy to come over and show me again?"

Tommy dutifully shows up, they go into the bedroom, disrobe and, prior to insertion, Tommy launches into the lecture portion of the lesson. He begins; The Angle of the Dangle, is directly proportional to the Beauty of the Cutie and the Heat of the Meat.

You're so wrong! It's actually hard to believe that one person can be consistently wrong. I'm dying to see your proof that teaching sex ed and providing birth control on demand leads to promiscuity. Put up or for God's sake SHUT UP
:2mad:

 

[Fantasea]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
Regardless of how you characterize it, the fact is that every business week, 3,000 US children in the womb will never see the light of day.

Thank God! If they did people like you would be complaining about welfare, soaring medical bills, etc. Abortion is a life saver as far as I'm concerned.

It takes a considerable amount of gall to thank God for the ability to abort the children He created in His own image and likeness. You equate human life with money. How cold. How crass. How many potential Jeters, A-Rods, Shaq O'Neills, J-Los, Carmen Electras, etc., etc., ended up in some abortion clinic slop bucket? What a waste.

As long as you're thanking God, you might consider thanking Him that your own mother's views on abortion didn't match yours. If they did, we wouldn't be having this dialog, would we?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
In nations where the mindset is such that US aid in the form of genetically engineered corn is rejected in favor of starvation because it is looked upon as "unnatural", if you think the locals are going to take the time and effort to locate and don an "unnatural" device before they hop in the sack to satisfy that natural urge, you are whistling in the dark.

Prove it! You really have to stop making statements that are not based in reality. Prove to us all that "locals" (you wrote that with a real distaste for these people, didn't you?) will not use birth control if it's supplied. Why do you always make stuff up? Are you so removed from reality that you actually believe what you write? Or are you just into rabble rousing?

Here. Read it and get roused. Then, when it sinks in, perhaps you may begin to understand the mentality of poorly educated, miserable people whose lives are ruled by tyrants and superstitions which convince them that the mysterious technology from the 'devils across the sea' is intended to harm them. No need to thank me for contributing to your ongoing education.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1114/p12s01-woaf.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
Fix the corrupt governments, educate the people out of their ignorance, instill some responsibility in them and you'll see a reduction in AIDS that will make it comparable to that of the US where, with few exceptions, it is confined to the illicit drug using and homosexual communities, both of which have free access to condoms.

Oh really? You make it sound like AIDS is under control in the USA! How unusual for you to use an untruth to make a point! You take certain stats and twist them to make your point, but the truth is that you're lying to make your point!

Quote:
AIDS statistics
People living with AIDS

At the end of 2003, the CDC estimates that 405,926 persons were living with AIDS in the USA.

Of these,

* 36% were white
* 42% were black
* 20% were Hispanic
* 2% were of other race/ethnicity.

Of the adults and adolescents1 with AIDS, 77% were men. Of these men,

* 58% were men who had sex with men (MSM)
* 22% were injection drug users (IDU)
* 11% were exposed through heterosexual contact
* 8% were both MSM and IDU.

Of the 88,815 adult and adolescent women with AIDS,

* 63% were exposed through heterosexual contact
* 35% were exposed through injection drug use.

An estimated 1,998 children were living with AIDS at the end of 2003.

Persons with AIDS are surviving longer and are contributing to a steady increase in the number of people living with AIDS. This trend will continue as long as the number of people with a new AIDS diagnosis exceeds the number of people dying each year.

The rate of decrease in AIDS diagnoses slowed in the late 1990s. After reaching a plateau, the number of diagnoses increased slightly each year from 2001 to 2003. There were an estimated 43,171 diagnoses in 2003. In total, an estimated 929,985 people have been diagnosed with AIDS.


Source: http://www.avert.org/statsum.htm

Thank you for proving my point. I wrote that AIDS in the US "with few exceptions, it is confined to the illicit drug using and homosexual communities, both of which have free access to condoms."

Your statistics confirm that, precisely. I'm going to save them for use in the future. Re-read your numbers and tell me how you could not agree with my statement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
Yes. Let us encourage promiscuity among the young. At the end of the sex education class the teacher should hand out condoms so that the kids can pair off and practice screwing each other so that they can get earn good grades on the homework assignments they do together.

Can't you see it, now? The fourteen year old girl saying to her perplexed mother, as if she was discussing algebra instead of sex ed, "I just can't seem to get the hang of it. Can I call Tommy to come over and show me again?"

Tommy dutifully shows up, they go into the bedroom, disrobe and, prior to insertion, Tommy launches into the lecture portion of the lesson. He begins; The Angle of the Dangle, is directly proportional to the Beauty of the Cutie and the Heat of the Meat.

You're so wrong! It's actually hard to believe that one person can be consistently wrong. I'm dying to see your proof that teaching sex ed and providing birth control on demand leads to promiscuity. Put up or for God's sake SHUT UP

For one who earlier confessed the difficulty of restraining himself at a time when that sort of behavior was frowned upon, think of what it must be like in the classroom where the teacher passes out condoms. A dream come true for all the stallions in the class whose pickup lines to the chicks now includes a few words such as, "Come on, Honey, the teacher says it's good if you do it the right way and she even gives us rubbers to make sure nobody gets hurt." The final defense, "I can't, because I might get pregnant.", has been stripped away from the girls.

Too bad you missed out on such a golden opportunity. Statistics? Do you really expect the schools to track that stuff? Open your eyes. Open your ears.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

These theoretical children...

Where the hell are their parents?

 

[26 X World Champs]

It takes a considerable amount of gall to thank God for the ability to abort the children He created in His own image and likeness. You equate human life with money. How cold. How crass. How many potential Jeters, A-Rods, Shaq O'Neills, J-Los, Carmen Electras, etc., etc., ended up in some abortion clinic slop bucket? What a waste.

With all due respect your point is valid to those who believe as you do, but invalid to those who do not. You're not wrong to believe that, nor am I wrong to believe what I believe. We disagree. Your argument for little A-Rods et al is countered with my argument for all the little children who would have been born with birth defects, mental disorders, other illnesses into horrible homes where they're not wanted and perhaps go onto the welfare roles, perpetuate the viscious cycle of babies having babies, people having kids they can't afford, school systems failing due to overcrowding and lack of money, etc. As I wrote, abortion solves social problems on many levels. For those of us who do not view it your way, that it is a loss of a human being, then it is not difficult to see how there's a point of view that it is socially consciable to believe that abortion is good.

As long as you're thanking God, you might consider thanking Him that your own mother's views on abortion didn't match yours. If they did, we wouldn't be having this dialog, would we?

That's a ridiculous argument. My parents were married and planned to have children, quite different than the person who goes for an abortion. You're trying to rabble rouse, again, by making emotional arguments. The fact that the strong majority of Americans believe it's none of your business what they choose to do about abortion speaks to the mindset of how people feel about this issue in the USA.

Here. Read it and get roused. Then, when it sinks in, perhaps you may begin to understand the mentality of poorly educated, miserable people whose lives are ruled by tyrants and superstitions which convince them that the mysterious technology from the 'devils across the sea' is intended to harm them. No need to thank me for contributing to your ongoing education.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1114/p12s01-woaf.html

It's an interesting story from a valid source. However, I read it differently than you do. I look at it as a non-elected leader making a decision that directly affects the way of thinking of people in his country. Had there been a free and open debate I doubt that this story would be valid. Of course, to this day more than half the people who voted for Bush in 2004 still believe that we found WMDs in Iraq and that Iraq had direct involvement in 9/11.

It is sad that in poor nations where batteries aren't even available to power a radio that the population can be controlled. North Korea is a prime example, where there is virtually no outside contact and where almost everyone calls their dictator "LEADER." In North Korea, as in 1984, almsot everywhere you go in public loud speakers are blaring propaganda about how loving and godlike Mr. Kim is...

BTW, the piece clearly states that this food rejection policy is Zambia only, not typical or usual:

Zambia is the only country to reject the food aid outright, but Zimbabwe, Malawi, Lesotho, and Mozambique all expressed concern over the imports. When those countries finally decided to accept the aid, it was on condition that it would only be distributed after milling so as to prevent people from planting the seeds and risking cross-pollination.

Thank you for proving my point. I wrote that AIDS in the US "with few exceptions, it is confined to the illicit drug using and homosexual communities, both of which have free access to condoms."

Your statistics confirm that, precisely. I'm going to save them for use in the future. Re-read your numbers and tell me how you could not agree with my statement.

Wat a hypocrite, again! For someone who just preached on and on about the evils of abortion you then turn around and suggest that 55,953 heterosexual women with Aids is insignificant, or that full 20% of AIDS cases are what you call "few cases." Since those stats say that there's been about 929,000 cases of AIDS in the USA, that means the "few cases" that you so contempously remarked about equals more than 185,000 non Homosexual, non drug abuser related cases.

You're so fast to spit out about "50 million" dead babies but 185,000 living Americans is what you call "few cases." :no:

For one who earlier confessed the difficulty of restraining himself at a time when that sort of behavior was frowned upon, think of what it must be like in the classroom where the teacher passes out condoms. A dream come true for all the stallions in the class whose pickup lines to the chicks now includes a few words such as, "Come on, Honey, the teacher says it's good if you do it the right way and she even gives us rubbers to make sure nobody gets hurt." The final defense, "I can't, because I might get pregnant.", has been stripped away from the girls.

Too bad you missed out on such a golden opportunity. Statistics? Do you really expect the schools to track that stuff? Open your eyes. Open your ears.

Gee, another BS cop out by you. You can't make statements, get challenged about the creditability of your bluster and then make a lame excuse that stats aren't kept on the bluster that you spew forth. That's lame, really, really lame.

Well MR. Generalization, here's the truth about your BS remarks:

Release Date: Oct. 30, 2003

SCHOOL CLINICS BEST WAY
TO GET BIRTH CONTROL TO STUDENTS

By Becky Ham, Science Writer
Health Behavior News Service

Minneapolis high school students are more apt to take advantage of free contraception if they can get birth control directly from clinics at their schools, according to new research in the November issue of the American Journal of Public Health.

Before 1998, students who visited school-based clinics received vouchers they could redeem for free birth control at community clinics. Only 41 percent of students received all of the contraceptives they requested, however, suggesting that many students were not using the vouchers.

To remedy this, Minneapolis school-based clinics began distributing birth control directly to students in May 1998.

By 2000, 99 percent of the students received all of the contraceptives they requested, according to Abbey Sidebottom, M.P.H., of the Minneapolis Department of Health and Family Support and colleagues.

“Although we were unable to examine whether students used the contraceptives they obtained, there is cause for optimism in light of evidence that improving access to contraception increases actual rates of use among those who are already sexually active,” Sidebottom and colleagues say.

Under the voucher system, only 21 percent of students received all the condoms and 11 percent received all the oral contraceptives they requested. All condom and oral contraceptive requests were fulfilled under the direct distribution system in 2000.

The percentage of students requesting contraceptives — 11 percent — remained steady between the two years.

“Previous research with adolescents has indicated that making contraceptives accessible does not increase sexual activity among adolescents who weren’t previously sexually active,” Sidebottom says. “The fact that we did not see an increase in demand for contraceptives among the student population at these schools seems to agree with these findings.”

Source:http://www.hbns.org/news/teenbc10-30-03.cfm

Hmm 11% of students requested birth control when available for free in school. I guess in Minneapolis the students are different from your local high school which generated your condescending remarks, right?

So please, please show me how it isn't possible to figure out the stats behind your statements? I think I know why you wrote that, and everyone else knows why too, because the stats available didn't support your made up facts even a little bit.

:lamo

 

[Naughty Nurse]

Somehow I think most folks would prefer the risk of pregnancy to the risk of AIDS.

Honey, what kind of prejudiced response is that?

Let's add a few facts, shall we?

Not all gay men have HIV.

Only penetrative intercourse without a condom carries a high risk.

There's more to sex than penetration - we are limited only by our imagination.

I have a great imagination.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

Planning to have children is A okay to me.

Maybe there should be more steps in planning NOT to have children.

Both should take place before sex. Not after the female party pees on a stick.

 

[Fantasea]

Originally Posted by Fantasea
Somehow I think most folks would prefer the risk of pregnancy to the risk of AIDS.

Honey, what kind of prejudiced response is that?

I was waiting for that from you. What took you so long? I'm just surprised that you posed it as a question.

If I had written, "Somehow I think most fost folks would prefer the risk of AIDS to the risk of pregnancy.", would that have made more sense, in your eyes?

Let's add a few facts, shall we?

Not all gay men have HIV.

Only penetrative intercourse without a condom carries a high risk.

There's more to sex than penetration - we are limited only by our imagination.

I have a great imagination.

Let's hope that your luck lasts longer than your imagination.

 

[Fantasea]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
It takes a considerable amount of gall to thank God for the ability to abort the children He created in His own image and likeness. You equate human life with money. How cold. How crass. How many potential Jeters, A-Rods, Shaq O'Neills, J-Los, Carmen Electras, etc., etc., ended up in some abortion clinic slop bucket? What a waste.

With all due respect your point is valid to those who believe as you do, but invalid to those who do not. You're not wrong to believe that, nor am I wrong to believe what I believe. We disagree. Your argument for little A-Rods et al is countered with my argument for all the little children who would have been born with birth defects, mental disorders, other illnesses into horrible homes where they're not wanted and perhaps go onto the welfare roles, perpetuate the viscious cycle of babies having babies, people having kids they can't afford, school systems failing due to overcrowding and lack of money, etc. As I wrote, abortion solves social problems on many levels. For those of us who do not view it your way, that it is a loss of a human being, then it is not difficult to see how there's a point of view that it is socially consciable to believe that abortion is good.

There was a guy in Europe in the 1920s who wrote a book entitled, “Mein Kampf”. Every point you made is contained therein.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
As long as you're thanking God, you might consider thanking Him that your own mother's views on abortion didn't match yours. If they did, we wouldn't be having this dialog, would we?

That's a ridiculous argument. My parents were married and planned to have children, quite different than the person who goes for an abortion. You're trying to rabble rouse, again, by making emotional arguments. The fact that the strong majority of Americans believe it's none of your business what they choose to do about abortion speaks to the mindset of how people feel about this issue in the USA.

Abortions are very, very popular among married women. They constitute one of the largest group segments.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
Here. Read it and get roused. Then, when it sinks in, perhaps you may begin to understand the mentality of poorly educated, miserable people whose lives are ruled by tyrants and superstitions which convince them that the mysterious technology from the 'devils across the sea' is intended to harm them. No need to thank me for contributing to your ongoing education.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1114/p12s01-woaf.html

It's an interesting story from a valid source. However, I read it differently than you do. I look at it as a non-elected leader making a decision that directly affects the way of thinking of people in his country. Had there been a free and open debate I doubt that this story would be valid. Of course, to this day more than half the people who voted for Bush in 2004 still believe that we found WMDs in Iraq and that Iraq had direct involvement in 9/11.

It is sad that in poor nations where batteries aren't even available to power a radio that the population can be controlled. North Korea is a prime example, where there is virtually no outside contact and where almost everyone calls their dictator "LEADER." In North Korea, as in 1984, almsot everywhere you go in public loud speakers are blaring propaganda about how loving and godlike Mr. Kim is...

BTW, the piece clearly states that this food rejection policy is Zambia only, not typical or usual:
Quote:

Zambia is the only country to reject the food aid outright, but Zimbabwe, Malawi, Lesotho, and Mozambique all expressed concern over the imports. When those countries finally decided to accept the aid, it was on condition that it would only be distributed after milling so as to prevent people from planting the seeds and risking cross-pollination.

Twist and spin it all you want. Your argument is not only empty, but you know it is empty.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
Thank you for proving my point. I wrote that AIDS in the US "with few exceptions, it is confined to the illicit drug using and homosexual communities, both of which have free access to condoms."

Your statistics confirm that, precisely. I'm going to save them for use in the future. Re-read your numbers and tell me how you could not agree with my statement.

Wat a hypocrite, again! For someone who just preached on and on about the evils of abortion you then turn around and suggest that 55,953 heterosexual women with Aids is insignificant, or that full 20% of AIDS cases are what you call "few cases." Since those stats say that there's been about 929,000 cases of AIDS in the USA, that means the "few cases" that you so contempously remarked about equals more than 185,000 non Homosexual, non drug abuser related cases.

You're so fast to spit out about "50 million" dead babies but 185,000 living Americans is what you call "few cases."

Your analysis of your own statistics is laughable. Your refutation is even moreso.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
For one who earlier confessed the difficulty of restraining himself at a time when that sort of behavior was frowned upon, think of what it must be like in the classroom where the teacher passes out condoms. A dream come true for all the stallions in the class whose pickup lines to the chicks now includes a few words such as, "Come on, Honey, the teacher says it's good if you do it the right way and she even gives us rubbers to make sure nobody gets hurt." The final defense, "I can't, because I might get pregnant.", has been stripped away from the girls.

Too bad you missed out on such a golden opportunity. Statistics? Do you really expect the schools to track that stuff? Open your eyes. Open your ears.

Gee, another BS cop out by you. You can't make statements, get challenged about the creditability of your bluster and then make a lame excuse that stats aren't kept on the bluster that you spew forth. That's lame, really, really lame.

Well MR. Generalization, here's the truth about your BS remarks:
Quote:
Release Date: Oct. 30, 2003

SCHOOL CLINICS BEST WAY
TO GET BIRTH CONTROL TO STUDENTS

By Becky Ham, Science Writer
Health Behavior News Service

Minneapolis high school students are more apt to take advantage of free contraception if they can get birth control directly from clinics at their schools, according to new research in the November issue of the American Journal of Public Health.

Before 1998, students who visited school-based clinics received vouchers they could redeem for free birth control at community clinics. Only 41 percent of students received all of the contraceptives they requested, however, suggesting that many students were not using the vouchers.

To remedy this, Minneapolis school-based clinics began distributing birth control directly to students in May 1998.

By 2000, 99 percent of the students received all of the contraceptives they requested, according to Abbey Sidebottom, M.P.H., of the Minneapolis Department of Health and Family Support and colleagues.

“Although we were unable to examine whether students used the contraceptives they obtained, there is cause for optimism in light of evidence that improving access to contraception increases actual rates of use among those who are already sexually active,” Sidebottom and colleagues say.

Under the voucher system, only 21 percent of students received all the condoms and 11 percent received all the oral contraceptives they requested. All condom and oral contraceptive requests were fulfilled under the direct distribution system in 2000.

The percentage of students requesting contraceptives — 11 percent — remained steady between the two years.

“Previous research with adolescents has indicated that making contraceptives accessible does not increase sexual activity among adolescents who weren’t previously sexually active,” Sidebottom says. “The fact that we did not see an increase in demand for contraceptives among the student population at these schools seems to agree with these findings.”


Source:http://www.hbns.org/news/teenbc10-30-03.cfm

Hmm 11% of students requested birth control when available for free in school. I guess in Minneapolis the students are different from your local high school which generated your condescending remarks, right?

So please, please show me how it isn't possible to figure out the stats behind your statements? I think I know why you wrote that, and everyone else knows why too, because the stats available didn't support your made up facts even a little bit.

Did you ever see any organization with an ax to grind publish statistics which did not support its contention?

I find it quite humorous that all of this material has been furnished by two females with the unlikely names of Becky Ham and Abbey Sidebottom.

Are you sure this is not part of a Saturday Night Live skit?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Quote:
There was a guy in Europe in the 1920s who wrote a book entitled, “Mein Kampf”. Every point you made is contained therein.

Thanks. Who are you speaking of? Ich bin verlangsamt ein kleines? Meine Eltern sind deutsch. Ich bin zuerst Generationamerikaner.

Translation from the German?

I'm a little slow? My parents are German. I'm first generation American.

Abortions are very, very popular among married women. They constitute one of the largest group segments.

Oh really? :rofl It doesn't take you very long to make up another lie, does it? Prove it! You're so full of sh*t. This is just another BS lie you've come up with to cover your ass. I defy you to prove that married women make up one of the largest segments! Prove it or never broach the subject again.

Oh, BTW - I checked out your BS here:

Fast Facts: U.S. Abortion Statistics
Tuesday, June 17, 2003

The following are some statistics about abortion in America:

Of the 1.6 million abortions performed in the U.S. each year, 91 percent are performed during the first trimester (12 or fewer weeks' gestation); 9 percent are performed in the second trimester (24 or fewer weeks' gestation); and only about 100 are performed in the third trimester (more than 24 weeks' gestation), approximately .01 percent of all abortions performed.

Approximately 1.5 million U.S. women with unwanted pregnancies choose abortion each year. Most are under 25 years old and unmarried. Women who are separated from their husbands and poor women are more likely to choose abortion than other women.

Are you going to dispute these stats too? I'm asking because I got them from here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,880,00.html

It's from that bastion of pro-abortion liberalism, FOX NEWS CHANNEL!
:rock

Your analysis of your own statistics is laughable. Your refutation is even moreso.

You know what Fantasea, I provide stats and sources, you provide a pile of lies. The only person you're fooling is yourself. As Fox News Channel likes to say, "Some might say that you're a joke, a laughingstock."

Did you ever see any organization with an ax to grind publish statistics which did not support its contention?

I find it quite humorous that all of this material has been furnished by two females with the unlikely names of Becky Ham and Abbey Sidebottom.

Again, I provide facts thru stats and links. You make up crap and then never, ever use any facts, yet you have the balls to dispute actual facts when presented to you. IMHO that borders on mental illness. If one is so removed from reality and lives in a world of lies then perhaps it's time to invest some cash into a mental health professional?

You might want to visit this site for some further clarity? You know, Step 1?

We admitted we were powerless over lying--that our lives had become unmanageable.

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/85/85bliar.phtml

Yeah.. that's the ticket! Yeah, you betcha!

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

Thanks. Who are you speaking of? Ich bin verlangsamt ein kleines?

I pray to god you know he's talking about Hitler and he's exactly right. Chances are that was sarcasm, but he is still right.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I pray to god you know he's talking about Hitler and he's exactly right. Chances are that was sarcasm, but he is still right.

Yes, I was being sarcastic! I was not citing or referring to Hitler at anytime.

My point was that Fantasea paints this picture that every abortion prevented perfect beautiful; children from being born, never mentioning that unwanted children that women are forced to continue their pregnancy with are more likely to have problems since these women are less inclined to take care of themselves the same way that a person who wants to have a child is.

If I was unclear, I apologize. I just find it galling when someone paints this picture that is based in Fantasea, not in fact.

 

[Squawker]

I apologize. I just find it galling when someone paints this picture that is based in Fantasea, not in fact.

Your post would carry more weight if you attacked the message and not the messenger, Champ.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

I can see your point but it's not enough to out weigh the human life that would have been.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Your post would carry more weight if you attacked the message and not the messenger, Champ.

I understand you're point, and overall I agree. However, there's a festering problem here regarding lying. It's infuriating to me that any one person can lie so often and so blatantly. It's not like it's a one off type of thing, it's every day and a high percentage of posts.

If the person in question would simply stop lying then the rebuttals would be more focused on issues. I just cannot accept that someone makes up stuff just to punctuate his posts. It is also premeditated, so to me it's devious, and very, very wrong.

All that needs to happen is the lies have to stop, then all will right again in our little part of the Internet.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I can see your point but it's not enough to out weigh the human life that would have been.

I respect your opinion completely and sincerely. You're speaking from your heart and your mind. You're being completely fair too.

I do not in anyway wish to disparage anyone who is pro-life. I think that's a perfectly excellent point of view, one that needs no defense. I simply disagree and ask that I too be given the right to choose my side of the argument without being called a Nazi, or a murderer, etc....Abortion is legal in the USA, and I support it. That does not make me a criminal....

I sincerely want you to know that I absolutely believe that the right to choose life is sacred and valid for all the reasons that RTLer's opine. No disagreement here so long as my right to choose is not infringed upon.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

I believe your right to choose comes before a couple becomes pregnant. I don't want to see anyone's rights infringed either.

One has the right to have sex. One has the right to become pregnant. However, those rights come with the responsibility to prepare and plan for whether or not you want a child. This preparation and planning comes before sex.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I believe your right to choose comes before a couple becomes pregnant. I don't want to see anyone's rights infringed either.

One has the right to have sex. One has the right to become pregnant. However, those rights come with the responsibility to prepare and plan for whether or not you want a child. This preparation and planning comes before sex.

In a more perfect world that might work, but in the reality of our world people will have sex and get pregnant, and no matter what anyone says or suggests that is a constant fact that will never go away....

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

can i get a round of applause for irresponsibility? :bravo:

look, he's happy :monkey

 

[Fantasea]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
Quote:
There was a guy in Europe in the 1920s who wrote a book entitled, “Mein Kampf”. Every point you made is contained therein.

Thanks. Who are you speaking of? Ich bin verlangsamt ein kleines? Meine Eltern sind deutsch. Ich bin zuerst Generationamerikaner.

Translation from the German?

Quote:
I'm a little slow? My parents are German. I'm first generation American.

It's fortunate for you that your parents had the foresight to emigrate to the land of the free and the home of the brave. It is sad to learn, however, that, as you write, their son is mentally handicapped.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
Abortions are very, very popular among married women. They constitute one of the largest group segments.

Oh really? It doesn't take you very long to make up another lie, does it? Prove it! You're so full of sh*t. This is just another BS lie you've come up with to cover your ass. I defy you to prove that married women make up one of the largest segments! Prove it or never broach the subject again.

Oh, BTW - I checked out your BS here:

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Fast Facts: U.S. Abortion Statistics
Tuesday, June 17, 2003

The following are some statistics about abortion in America:

Of the 1.6 million abortions performed in the U.S. each year, 91 percent are performed during the first trimester (12 or fewer weeks' gestation); 9 percent are performed in the second trimester (24 or fewer weeks' gestation); and only about 100 are performed in the third trimester (more than 24 weeks' gestation), approximately .01 percent of all abortions performed.

Approximately 1.5 million U.S. women with unwanted pregnancies choose abortion each year. Most are under 25 years old and unmarried. Women who are separated from their husbands and poor women are more likely to choose abortion than other women.


Are you going to dispute these stats too? I'm asking because I got them from here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,880,00.html

It's from that bastion of pro-abortion liberalism, FOX NEWS CHANNEL!

Here's the quote:

"67% of abortions are from women who have never been married." Do the math and you'll find that the reciprocal is 33%. By my calculation, 33% is one of the largest group segments.

Here's the source:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm

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Originally Posted by Fantasea
Your analysis of your own statistics is laughable. Your refutation is even moreso.

You know what Fantasea, I provide stats and sources, you provide a pile of lies. The only person you're fooling is yourself. As Fox News Channel likes to say, "Some might say that you're a joke, a laughingstock."

Keep watching Fox. Sooner or later you'll begin to "get it".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
Did you ever see any organization with an ax to grind publish statistics which did not support its contention?

I find it quite humorous that all of this material has been furnished by two females with the unlikely names of Becky Ham and Abbey Sidebottom.

Again, I provide facts thru stats and links. You make up crap and then never, ever use any facts, yet you have the balls to dispute actual facts when presented to you. IMHO that borders on mental illness. If one is so removed from reality and lives in a world of lies then perhaps it's time to invest some cash into a mental health professional?

You might want to visit this site for some further clarity? You know, Step 1?

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We admitted we were powerless over lying--that our lives had become unmanageable.


http://snltranscripts.jt.org/85/85bliar.phtml

Yeah.. that's the ticket! Yeah, you betcha!

So that's how you do it. When you can't find what you need with Jerry Seinfeld, you jump to Saturday Night Live. That's really flexible thinking for a guy who claims to be a little slow.

 

[Fantasea]

Yes, I was being sarcastic! I was not citing or referring to Hitler at anytime.

My point was that Fantasea paints this picture that every abortion prevented perfect beautiful; children from being born, never mentioning that unwanted children that women are forced to continue their pregnancy with are more likely to have problems since these women are less inclined to take care of themselves the same way that a person who wants to have a child is.

If I was unclear, I apologize. I just find it galling when someone paints this picture that is based in Fantasea, not in fact.

Yes, the picture I paint is life. However, the picture you paint is death. Yes, life is beautiful, especially when the contrast is abortion, which is gruesome.

 

[Pacridge]

I understand you're point, and overall I agree. However, there's a festering problem here regarding lying. It's infuriating to me that any one person can lie so often and so blatantly. It's not like it's a one off type of thing, it's every day and a high percentage of posts.

If the person in question would simply stop lying then the rebuttals would be more focused on issues. I just cannot accept that someone makes up stuff just to punctuate his posts. It is also premeditated, so to me it's devious, and very, very wrong.

All that needs to happen is the lies have to stop, then all will right again in our little part of the Internet.

This seems to have become a main stream thing any more. When the facts and science don’t fit your political position or your religious theology- just make them up. Invent them. Twist them. Spin them. The economy? Better then it’s ever been. The deficit? Nearly zero- when compared to the GDP. The Iraqi people? All the polls over there show they really loves us. Premature 8oz. Babies? 90% will survive if cared for. Condoms? Actually they don’t work. Sex education? Studies show it's best just to teach kids about abstinence. Jobless rate? Well that’s really only a problem for the lazy people in this country. Global warming? Not really that warm, not really. And even if it is- green house gases didn’t do it.



Actually I guess it's not that new. It’s been going on for centuries. Come to think of it the same groups have been involved in this tactic for centuries. Usually deeply religious type groups.

 

[26 X World Champs]

It's fortunate for you that your parents had the foresight to emigrate to the land of the free and the home of the brave. It is sad to learn, however, that, as you write, their son is mentally handicapped.

:2wave: Are you saying that you and I are on the same plane?

"67% of abortions are from women who have never been married." Do the math and you'll find that the reciprocal is 33%. By my calculation, 33% is one of the largest group segments.

Here's the source:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm

Keep watching Fox. Sooner or later you'll begin to "get it".

Eighty percent of women having abortions are single; 60 percent are white; 35 percent are black.

Hmm? You're aptly suggesting that I continue to watch FNC so I can "get it" like you do? See that little quote above? Read it again to refresh your memory. 80% of women having abortions are SINGLE. Get it?

I copied that from here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,880,00.html

That's right, the Fox News Channel. Now, your site is owned by your favorite source of news, The New York Times. Boy, this is really interesting, isn't it? Do you want me to believe that The New York Times has better stats than FNC? Is that your meaning? Just curious?

Personally, I can't say for sure which is right so I went to a 3rd source and found this:

According to the CDC report, in 2001:

* 18 percent of women who had abortions in the U.S. were married; 82 percent were unmarried.

The CDC is the Center for Disease Control, you know, the Government of the USA.

My source was: http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/bioethics/facts/a0027730.cfm

That's FAMILY.ORG the very same one that is so religiously pro-life. You know, James Dobson, champion of the religious right?

So to me it looks like your claim that:

Originally Posted by Fantasea
Abortions are very, very popular among married women. They constitute one of the largest group segments.

Is all together wrong. How strange! You're wrong, again. Your stats are wrong, again...unless of course you want us all to believe that FNC & Family.Org are lying? I am very prepared to tell you that the New York Times is wrong, the site you used is wrong, and it only goes to show that all of us make mistakes, just some of us make them more often than the rest of us, you know Fantasea?

:shoot