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what do you think about Obama's observation about media reporting and politics

I'd certainly trust Fox's meme on the poor than his or any other liberal Democrat.
Most poor people are poer because of their own choices. YOu won't hear too many Democrats talk about that.
 
He seemed to be a better actor before he trotted out the same routine over & over.
Now anyone who has been paying attention at all can see what a phony manipulative skunk he has been.
You can easily spot the practiced mannerisms and gestures he uses to entertain his fanclub.

Try it ... e.g. watch him when he's introduced at an event ... strutting jauntily across the stage ... jacket off ... shirts sleeves folded up a bit ... hand out, fingers spread ... thrusting his hand from out wide in a handshake meant to show every-man camaraderie.
Does it every time.
Cringeworthy after the 100th time.

Same deal with his comedy routines about Fox News.
But the act is still paying off with some.
 
justabubba said:
https://www.facebook.com/Mediamatters/videos/vb.26595441166/10152894312231167/?type=2&theater

Obama took direct aim at faux news
insisting its menu of fare includes the meme that poor people are leeches who do not want to work
and he believes the way the media reports must change

does he make a legitimate point?
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I find this very interesting, actually.

I was just yesterday observing to a friend, that since the mid terms, Obama seemed to have pacified, his attacks on his "enemies" have subsided, and the annoying "they won't let me" bleat seemed to have passed.

Now, we see a new version of it, another igniting of emotions amid charges of 'cruel thinking.'

I have to ask why? The wasps were in their nest, doing no more harm, but no less either, and he suddenly has to jamb a stick into the heart of the hive, so to speak.

History with this guy causes me to always ask why? Whenever he has picked a fight it was either to defend his position, or to deflect attention away from something else.

In any event, it is yet another sign that his main political tool is to divide. There's no other political gain in this
 
tres borrachos said:
What do I think? I think it's petty.
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That's strange, previously you have asked if someone (like me) could decribe what was said on a video because you couldn't watch until you were not at home. Could you please explain?
 
Obama must be bored. I really cant think of another president that spent that much time commenting on news organizations.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Obama must be bored. I really cant think of another president that spent that much time commenting on news organizations.
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He is losing the left on the TPP. But they rise to the bait of Fox News like trout.
 
justabubba said:
https://www.facebook.com/Mediamatters/videos/vb.26595441166/10152894312231167/?type=2&theater

Obama took direct aim at faux news
insisting its menu of fare includes the meme that poor people are leeches who do not want to work
and he believes the way the media reports must change

does he make a legitimate point?
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Legitimate point? No more so than any other point he makes, everyone one of them with a political aim, rather than being founded in any sort of truth.

Of course he wants to embarrass Fox News. They won't cover what he wants covered the way he wants it covered, and rather cover things that he doesn't want covered.
 
justabubba said:
https://www.facebook.com/Mediamatters/videos/vb.26595441166/10152894312231167/?type=2&theater

Obama took direct aim at faux news
insisting its menu of fare includes the meme that poor people are leeches who do not want to work
and he believes the way the media reports must change

does he make a legitimate point?
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I have been getting my news from Fox News, along with another dozen or so regular sources, since it became available on our cable system years ago, and I do not recall seeing ANYBODY at Fox saying poor people are leeches who do not want to work. I have heard various Fox contributors say that some are poor because of the poor choices they make and who can argue with that? The reason many of us appreciate Fox is because amidst all the normal political noise and hubris that you get from any committed politically focused source, you get some honest discussion of what is really happening whether or not it is deemed politically correct.

On CNN or MSNBC you will find the focus mostly on blaming corporations or the rich or the GOP or whatever for why people are poor. You won't find much that discusses individual responsibility or consequences of bad choices that intellectual honesty requires to be part of the debate.

And you won't find much on CNN or MSNBC that reports that the more government does for the people, the less the people do for themselves. It is true that some simply won't give up the government benefits that they would lose if they go to work. There is something sinister and wrong with a system like that and that too needs to be part of an intellectually honest debate.

(Disclaimer: I listened to enough of President Obama's comments to get the gist but didn't watch the whole video. The unscripted extemporaneous Obama is so annoying, tedious, and frustrating to watch to me, I have to have a really good reason to take the time to do it.)
 
I think the presidents with thicker skins considered it beneath them to attack opposition from the press. Obama doesn't seem to be able to deal with it objectively. Bush was roasted daily by the main stream media but kept a pretty steady head about it. So did Clinton.
 
justabubba said:
https://www.facebook.com/Mediamatters/videos/vb.26595441166/10152894312231167/?type=2&theater

Obama took direct aim at faux news
insisting its menu of fare includes the meme that poor people are leeches who do not want to work
and he believes the way the media reports must change

does he make a legitimate point?
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It is a point of discussion, but I do not necessarily agree with how he guided it to be a FoxNews only issue.

I would have argued that over the past 30-40 years we have developed a model of politics in which adversarial blame is designed to move opinion and ultimately votes. In that sense, how reporting is handled that adversarial blame has developed a business model for both news and commentary.

It seems to me that in recent memory we have seen our two party system try to move people into two economic categories. You could call one "economic interventionists" who generally look at those who have, and suggest more reason and more method to move that have to the have nots. That mentality is what coins the ideas of "paying your fair share" and calling their opposition greedy. Call the others "wealth protectionists" who generally look at those who have as the measure of a successful economic model, thus should be protected even if that sometimes includes the additional expense of the have nots. That mentality is what coins the ideas of trickle down economics and branding the opposition as "envious."

Our challenge is then news and commentary identified with one or the other and ignored a larger category of those wondering where liberty, choice, entrepreneurship, and responsibility all went. But the development of a media business model of making a targeted demographic more angry and/or scared of the opposition is not exclusive to the left or right. Thus, not exclusive to FoxNews or CNN or NBC or Media Matters or whoever else. They all have adopted the same mentality choosing a side of being for those without or being for those with (when you boil it down to this context.)

Our even bigger challenge is all we are talking about here is authoritarian views on economic function, neither of which really involve economic theory. Politics trumps economics, thus the business model of telling a demographic what they want to hear trumps real objective delivery of or commentary about the news. It is one reason why I have said that it takes being in politics for someone of wealth to go out and tell those without wealth to be upset with political adversary wealth.

Believing we have to change the media is dangerously too close to hitting up against the 1st Amendment. The better alternative is to break the cycle of ole (D) and (R) dominance over our political system, which will in turn force the media and commentary to adopt looking at the larger pool of voters who simply feel alienated from our political system. And all the evidence I need to illustrate that alienation is below, and it tells me the media may be forced to adopt anyway or continue speaking to decreasing demographics.

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winston53660 said:
World of Class Warfare - The Poor's Free Ride Is Over - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central
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And though Jon Stewart has his moments as a funny man, your point is? Did you post that clip as an affirmation of what I said? Or as a rebuttal? :)

But even in his obvious attempt to show conservatives and Fox News as the 'bad guy', he still didn't make any argument for them saying that the poor are leeches who don't want to work did he. There was commentary about not spending money that we don't have for purposes that aren't delivering as advertised. There was commentary that 51% of Americans are paying essentially no income taxes that a lot of us think is wrong and a dangerous thing. But I didn't hear anybody disparaging the poor. Did you?
 
Lutherf said:
I would agree. Every king should control the media resources of his domain.
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Along those same lines of executive overreach, I just read of a report that Kim Jung Un killed his own defense chief because he talked back and fell asleep during a meeting ... he had him killed with an anti-aircraft gun.
So to Media Matters, Obama's dream of media control is no doubt an example of his wisdom & restraint.
 
1-I'd be curious to see the Fox News reports that are doing what he claims. Is it possible that Obama is just using the words "Fox News" knowing the moment he does so his idiot supporters will fall out of the trees?

2-Regardless of whether or not Fox News is promoting the 'meme' there is ample evidence that this nation is littered with millions of crippled and dependent pets that not cant but wont do anything to improve their lives. There is a difference between those that truly cannot change their circumstance and those that wont.

Now...its not fair to say that is representative of all poor people. Its also not fair to say all poor people stay poor. Lots of people bust their ass to succeed and prove it can be done. Its a shame so many of them are illegal immigrants. Perhaps what Obama is really pissed off about is that Fox News (if they are in fact doing that) is outing so many of the dedicated democrat voting base.
 
winston53660 said:
World of Class Warfare - The Poor's Free Ride Is Over - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central
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Cute video...except it says nothing of the crippled and dependent hand out Americans that dont/wont work. And as we have discussed numerous times here...there is NO shortage of success stories of people that bust their ass and make it from the ground up. Its just that more and more...those that are doing so are the illegal immigrants that come here with nothing. 36% of new businesses are immigrant owned. People ARE succeeding. The American Dream IS alive...for those willing to work for it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
And though Jon Stewart has his moments as a funny man, your point is? Did you post that clip as an affirmation of what I said? Or as a rebuttal? :)

But even in his obvious attempt to show conservatives and Fox News as the 'bad guy', he still didn't make any argument for them saying that the poor are leeches who don't want to work did he. There was commentary about not spending money that we don't have for purposes that aren't delivering as advertised. There was commentary that 51% of Americans are paying essentially no income taxes that a lot of us think is wrong and a dangerous thing. But I didn't hear anybody disparaging the poor. Did you?
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He just saw that the title had the word 'poor' in it and figured Jon Stewart was a credible news source.
 
Make Unemployment Work for You: 14 Dos and Don'ts - Salary.com
Study: welfare pays more than work in most states | The Daily Caller
For some, jobless benefits trump a job - Business - Eye on the Economy | NBC News
Study: Millennials Would Rather Be Unemployed Than Work Their Terrible Jobs - Mic
And its not just here...
The jobless who would rather lose benefits than work - Telegraph
Heres a good one from USNews...how the LAZY are hurting the NEEDY (sound familiar?)
Unemployment: How the Lazy Are Hurting the Needy - US News
And from Chicago...
Change of Subject: Brady: Unemployment insurance is so luxe that people aren't taking jobs
And finally...from none other than the HuPo...
Why Many Unemployed Workers Will Never Get Jobs | Ira Wolfe

Just a handful of the millions of articles out there on point. And not a one from Fox News. Not one from a Fox Affiliate. Several from very liberal sources and agencies.
 
VanceMack said:
1-I'd be curious to see the Fox News reports that are doing what he claims. Is it possible that Obama is just using the words "Fox News" knowing the moment he does so his idiot supporters will fall out of the trees? .
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Yes...
 
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