What country is biggest threat to peace?

[The AntiDonald]

Trump says a lot of bullshit.

Congress isn't going to allow a war over a watery ditch, or a sheet of ice.

So far, we have seen congress totally abdicate its constitutional duty and seed power to this president. When do you suppose, they will come to work and act like Article 1 officials?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Simple question - which country is currently the greatest threat to the western world?

I voted Iran. They have been the biggest threat since the revolution that followed the Shah in the late 70s. Most of the radical islamic terrorism is spawned from there.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Definitely China. It's the only country that might be able to defeat the United States in a head-to-head war.

Not a chance.

They would have been, at their present level, a very serious threat in 1990.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I voted Iran. They have been the biggest threat since the revolution that followed the Shah in the late 70s. Most of the radical islamic terrorism is spawned from there.

I consider them the ones I want hit hardest, on account of piracy and that I have never forgiven them for the embassy thing.

But they're not the largest threat.

 

[Surrealistik]

They’ve already conquered most of the eastern part of Ukraine. If your narrative was true the Ukrainians would not be struggling to keep their troops in the field, and their own attacks would have had much more success than they’ve had for a long while now.

In 2024, Russia advanced at a rate of roughly 11 SQ km / day. Let's be conservative and assume that Russia is only going for what is formally considered to be Eastern Ukraine, consisting of a relatively mere 143,724 SQ KM between the Donetsk, Kharkiv, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Dnipropetrovsk oblasts. It occupies roughly 82,000 SQ KM disincluding Crimea.

So, 143,724 SQKM - 82,000 SQKM (presently occupied) / 11 SQ km per day / 365 days = 15.37 years.

Meanwhile, Russia's economy is lucky if it'll last better than 2 years given its current challenges and rate of deficit spending.

Again, the West has been claiming that for three years now. It’s fully in “believe it when I see it actually happen” category at this point.

You are welcome to disregard the naked evidence that exists. Again, starry-eyed claims from talking heads that pretend to know far more than they do don't impress me, evidence and metrics do, and they are very bad indeed so far as Russia is concerned.

I mean, if you actually think the militaries of Croatia or Slovakia would put up a stronger fight than Ukraine, I suppose you are entitled to that belief, but it isn’t really supported by facts. As a collective NATO operates more an an extension of American political will than as a coherent force in itself. Saying one country doesn’t stack up to twenty something nations is a meaningless assertion. The US itself wouldn’t do very well up against the entirety of the Middle East.

Article 5 necessitates a collective NATO response. If Russia were to theoretically menace the West militarily, it would inevitably trigger A5, and thus the collective power of the entire military alliance.

Literally the only reason this is brought up is because we are assessing the relative threat posed by the Russia of today to the West, which overwhelmingly falls under the umbrella of NATO, versus alternative possibilities like China. While I don't find that China would do favourably against the 32 nations comprising NATO either, a presently crippled Russia would do much, much worse.

Again, the West still claims the equipment they are providing is “game changing” and “the best in the world”.

Well breathless anchors on TV may do that perhaps.

I personally can't say, nor do I claim, that Ukraine has been given anything truly game changing, much less the truly 'best in the world' bleeding edge of Western weaponry, but the tech they are given certainly and demonstrably has given them an edge that compensates for many Russian ones and has been provably indispensable to them to lasting as long as they've managed, and exacting as much blood and treasure from Russia as they have.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Putin is not a rational leader in the Western sense.

He doesn't really care what Russian interest rates are, if Russians must eat only borscht, or how many Russian soldiers perish in Ukraine (currently 1,000+ each and every day).

He is an absolute dictator/tsar with no viable opposition remaining within Russia.

Putin sees himself as a modern Peter the Great and his historical legacy is his paramount and only concern. Swallowing Ukraine whole is a must for this megalomaniac.

After rearmament, it's on to Moldova, Georgia, and other lands that Moscow once ruled.

Putin compares himself to a famous historical figure, worrying experts about his ambitions

“Putin has been tearing off a lot of masks — what he’s revealing rather consistently is Russia’s new imperial ambitions,” one expert said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[MAGAnificent]

I consider them the ones I want hit hardest, on account of piracy and that I have never forgiven them for the embassy thing.

But they're not the largest threat.

We can disagree on that. Aside from what is going on in Russia/Ukraine, which I expect to be solved soon, virtually all of the hot spots, wars have footrprits in Iran. Islamic terrorism is the single biggest threat to world peace at this time.

 

[Hamish Howl]

We can disagree on that. Aside from what is going on in Russia/Ukraine, which I expect to be solved soon, virtually all of the hot spots, wars have footrprits in Iran. Islamic terrorism is the single biggest threat to world peace at this time.

If you gave me two nukes and no accountability, I would use them both on Iran.

But that's hate, not reaction to a threat.

 

[Juin]

Until Trump and Elon manage to turn the USA full fascist which seems to be increasingly likely given their recent maneuverings with respect to replacing civil servants and subverting agency networks and IT systems wholesale, it's still China, easily; same as it's ever been for at least the past couple of decades.

China hands down

 

[Tigerace117]

In 2024, Russia advanced at a rate of roughly 11 SQ km / day. Let's be conservative and assume that Russia is only going for what is formally considered to be Eastern Ukraine, consisting of a relatively mere 143,724 SQ KM between the Donetsk, Kharkiv, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Dnipropetrovsk oblasts. It occupies roughly 87,000 SQ KM disincluding Crimea.

So, 143,724 SQKM - 87,000 SQKM (presently occupied) / 11 SQ km per day / 365 days = 14.12 years.

Meanwhile, Russia's economy is lucky if it'll last better than 2 years given its current challenges and rate of deficit spending.


You are welcome to disregard the naked evidence that exists. Again, starry-eyed claims from talking heads that pretend to know far more than they do don't impress me, evidence and metrics do, and they are very bad indeed so far as Russia is concerned.


Article 5 necessitates a collective NATO response. If Russia were to theoretically menace the West militarily, it would inevitably trigger A5, and thus the collective power of the entire military alliance.

Literally the only reason this is brought up is because we are assessing the relative threat posed by the Russia of today to the West, which overwhelmingly falls under the umbrella of NATO, versus alternative possibilities like China. While I don't find that China would do favourably against the 32 nations comprising NATO either, a presently crippled Russia would do much, much worse.

Well breathless anchors on TV may do that perhaps.

I personally can't say, nor do I claim, that Ukraine has been given anything truly game changing, much less the truly 'best in the world' bleeding edge of Western weaponry, but the tech they are given certainly and demonstrably has given them an edge that compensates for many Russian ones and has been provably indispensable to them to lasting as long as they've managed, and exacting as much blood and treasure from Russia as they have.

Which assumes, once again, that Ukraine is able to keep them at the same rate of advance without any sort of meaningful aid coming in from the US, and potentially the West as a whole, and with, once again, problems with morale and desertion steadily increasing.

I’m disregarding the claims of something happening that have been repeated more times than the CIA said they’d kill Castro…and with the same lack of results.

As the US has proven, words on paper are nice and all, but there’s no real way to hold a member of NATO that decides to go rogue accountable.

And once again, if your narrative were true the Ukrainians’ own attacks would have done much better, and they wouldn’t have been pushed back from positions they spent so much time, effort, and propaganda on holding.

Laughable claims about Russia losing over a thousand KIA a day only further demonstrate how much poorer the war is going for Ukraine than the West claims.

 

[Juin]

We can disagree on that. Aside from what is going on in Russia/Ukraine, which I expect to be solved soon, virtually all of the hot spots, wars have footrprits in Iran. Islamic terrorism is the single biggest threat to world peace at this time.

As a political ideology Islamism is by miles a most unpleasant threat

 

[MAGAnificent]

If you gave me two nukes and no accountability, I would use them both on Iran.

But that's hate, not reaction to a threat.

The terrorist attacks on 9/11/01 were islamic terrorism. The attempt to take the WTC Towers down in 1993 were Islamic terrorism.. As was the bombing of the USS Cole, and the Khobar Towers in 1996. The only time I know of that a US Embassy was seized, it was by Iran. Prior to 9/11/01, the last foreign entity to directly attack the US was Japan at Pearl Harbor. Iran is at least our biggest threat for now.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Simple question - which country is currently the greatest threat to the western world?

I was going to vote Russia, but I went with the USA. You did specify 'currently', currently we have the beginning of Fascism in our own government and it's happening right before our eyes.

The criminal traitor, who has incited a coup against our own government by his loyal homegrown terrorist traitors, is also in bed with Russia, China, North Korea, etc.

He already indicated that Putin can do whatever the hell he wants. He wants to eliminate NATO, and he is once again violating our constitution, our laws, our justice system and his oath of office. USA.....no doubt in my mind, going by the facts and reality.

 

[Surrealistik]

Which assumes, once again, that Ukraine is able to keep them at the same rate of advance without any sort of meaningful aid coming in from the US, and potentially the West as a whole, and with, once again, problems with morale and desertion steadily increasing.

I’m disregarding the claims of something happening that have been repeated more times than the CIA said they’d kill Castro…and with the same lack of results.

As the US has proven, words on paper are nice and all, but there’s no real way to hold a member of NATO that decides to go rogue accountable.

And once again, if your narrative were true the Ukrainians’ own attacks would have done much better, and they wouldn’t have been pushed back from positions they spent so much time, effort, and propaganda on holding.

Laughable claims about Russia losing over a thousand KIA a day only further demonstrate how much poorer the war is going for Ukraine than the West claims.

I'm merely going by the facts as they exist.

Again, it'll take ~14-15 years for Russia to take the remainder of Eastern Ukraine at its present rate, and even if you are extremely optimistic about how long Russia's economy can last, it certainly won't be anywhere close to 14 years. Hell, even if we assumed it could conquer the whole of this territory in half the time, perhaps because of limited military support to UKR, 7 years is almost certainly more than the Russian economy can plausibly last under current strictures even if we were to be exceedingly generous.

Russia can only realistically 'win' if it either manages to eliminate the choking sanctions on its economy, or negotiates a relatively swift end to the conflict that would allow it to retain captured land before economic catastrophe, and even so, it will have paid dearly for it, and expanded NATO historically in the process.

 

[Allan]

I was going to vote Russia, but I went with the USA. You did specify 'currently', currently we have the beginning of Fascism in our own government and it's happening right before our eyes.

America's territorial ambitions (so far) include Canada, Denmark, Panama and Gaza.

And it's not even a full three weeks.

 

[trixare4kids]

1. China is a economic and intellectual property threat worldwide. A regional physical threat in regards to Taiwan.

2. Iran is a direct threat to western civilization and its Arab neighbors.

3. North Korea can't attack anyone without China's approval.

4. Ukraine has proven Russia to be a 2nd rate military. Russia still fights with its face, and relies on sheer numbers of troops over competency. A US Marine Corporal can lead troops better than their officer corps. Outside of nukes.....Russia is done for now.

5. The US isn't invading anyone because the Congress isn't going to allow Trump a useless war on Panama, Canada, or Denmark. That is just Debate Politics liberal lunacy.

Indeed.

Russia < - Active war
China < - Already took Hong Kong fully against all agreements and threatened Taiwan for decades and getting there more and more,
Iran < - Actively supports proxies all over the middle east to attack others, attacks trade routes....
North Korea < - I mean I guess they can be under the US simply because they only talk but they have been talking about war for decades way more than Trump
USA < - Orange Man go Brrrr?

I mean, is this even under debate?

It shouldn't be.

Great lists, props to you both. Though I tend to think China currently is the greatest threat to the United States and should be in the number one spot. They steal our intellectual wealth, are buying up lots of our land, and have cells throughout the country.

Director Wray Addresses Threats Posed to the U.S. by China | Federal Bureau of Investigation

In a speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum, FBI Director Christopher Wray discussed the myriad threats our nation faces from the Chinese government and Chinese Communist Party.

www.fbi.gov

 

[Juin]

Never understood the idea that Russia is a real threat to the West presently, nevermind being far and away the greatest one.

Its technology, including military technology is 2nd if not 3rd rate.

Its economy, even before its present ongoing stagflation meltdown with 25%+ real inflation (that can be verified by price reports; the Russian Central Bank numbers are obviously bogus) and a decidedly unhealthy 21% interest rate was pitiful vis a vis most Western countries nevermind America.

Its army has been largely dashed to pieces against the Ukraine wall, which, despite Russia's massive numerical, artillery and economic advantages, has outperformed its opponent and held out with 2nd and 3rd rate Western hand-me-downs (that still remain technologically superior to their Russian counterparts in a majority of cases), much to the latter's great embarrassment. If Russia struggles this much against such a relatively anemic opponent, it would stand exactly zero chance against the full and awesome might of the whole of NATO that has only gotten larger and more powerful since Putin's idiotic incursion.

If and when the Russian economy collapses, overstressed as it is from this war (which I put inside roughly 2 years assuming nothing major changes), outside of perhaps errant nukes, it won't be a concern to the West for at least a generation.

Your arguments remind me of the curious case of the flying bee:


<<<
According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground," the opening of Bee Movie says. "The bee, of course, flies anyway. Because bees don't care what humans think is impossible."
<<<


Lets see how it goes if we apply it to Russia:

According to all known laws of war and economics, there is no way that Russia is a threat. Its military is too antiquated to get its fat body off the ground," the opening of Bee Movie says. "Russia, of course, fights anyway. Because Russia don't care what @Surrealistik thinks is impossible."

 

[EdwinWillers]

What country is biggest threat to peace?​

China, quite obviously - it's practically in their charter as communists.
Russia is a threat too, but not in the same way as China.

Anyone who says USA is the greatest threat to peace should just leave and let the rest of enjoy that peace.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Russia < - Active war
China < - Already took Hong Kong fully against all agreements and threatened Taiwan for decades and getting there more and more,
Iran < - Actively supports proxies all over the middle east to attack others, attacks trade routes....
North Korea < - I mean I guess they can be under the US simply because they only talk but they have been talking about war for decades way more than Trump
USA < - Orange Man go Brrrr?

I mean, is this even under debate?

Quite sadly, for some, it is.

 

[EdwinWillers]

I voted Iran. They have been the biggest threat since the revolution that followed the Shah in the late 70s. Most of the radical islamic terrorism is spawned from there.

Threat yes, but Iran's been weakened substantially over the past few years, and now that Trump is in office, they're certainly not going to get any stronger. Sure, they can still do something patently stupid, but to carry out any sort of sustained action is no longer in their means, fortunately.

 

[eman623]

China, followed by Russia and Iran. This should have been multiple choice.

 

[trixare4kids]

Quite sadly, for some, it is.

Maybe I'll start a thread, which country has the biggest butthurt over Trump being elected 47.

 

[EdwinWillers]

Maybe I'll start a thread, which country has the biggest butthurt over Trump being elected 47.

Worded differently, "Which nation's radical leftists are most butthurt..."

 

[MAGAnificent]

Threat yes, but Iran's been weakened substantially over the past few years, and now that Trump is in office, they're certainly not going to get any stronger. Sure, they can still do something patently stupid, but to carry out any sort of sustained action is no longer in their means, fortunately.

I am very optimistic since January 20.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

America's territorial ambitions (so far) include Canada, Denmark, Panama and Gaza.

And it's not even a full three weeks.

I know. When they show you who they are, believe them.