What are necessities/ luxuries for poor americans?

[Goobieman]

former president Bill Clinton was born in a poor family and he came pretty far in life and yes he did get help through a scholarship.

A -private- scholraship that he -earned- thru his own efforts and determination - so, your point, meek as it was, fails.

Either America is one society with the same social standards, or its 50 countries.

Its 50 states. Maybe you ought to read up on our history a little.

 

[liblady]

Do they deserve an ambulance?

many, many reasons why phone service is not a luxury. and i have to say it's ridiculous to assume it is.

 

[Goobieman]

many, many reasons why phone service is not a luxury. and i have to say it's ridiculous to assume it is.

If plone service were a necessity, then it would be impossible to live without it.

That people -are-able to live without it, and did so for for a very very long time, inarguably illustrates that phone service is indeed a luxury.

 

[winston53660]

If plone service were a necessity, then it would be impossible to live without it.

That people -are-able to live without it, and did so for for a very very long time, inarguably illustrates that phone service is indeed a luxury.

Yeah I guess so till one needs emergency services.

 

[Goobieman]

Yeah I guess so till one needs emergency services.

If a phone is a necessity, then you could not EVER live without it.

 

[ricksfolly]

people living on welfare all have needs. How much is society responsible for?

It's not about the government mailing checks to the few deadbeat dads and welfare mothers who always get the publicity, it's mostly about helping those who can't help themselves for a variety of physical or mental reasons.

When I see a homeless man or woman on the street, I always give them five dollars. It makes us both feel good and has no effect on their way of life.

ricksfolly

 

[Goobieman]

It's not about the government mailing checks to the few deadbeat dads and welfare mothers who always get the publicity, it's mostly about helping those who can't help themselves for a variety of physical or mental reasons.

When I see a homeless man or woman on the street, I always give them five dollars. It makes us both feel good and has no effect on their way of life.

That's great. Really.
But, don't dare presume to force your Christian value of charity on others.

 

[winston53660]

It's not about the government mailing checks to the few deadbeat dads and welfare mothers who always get the publicity, it's mostly about helping those who can't help themselves for a variety of physical or mental reasons.

When I see a homeless man or woman on the street, I always give them five dollars. It makes us both feel good and has no effect on their way of life.

ricksfolly

Well you don't live in Manhattan that is for sure.

 

[ricksfolly]

That's great. Really.
But, don't dare presume to force your Christian value of charity on others.

I'm not religious, far from it. I just don't like kicking a man when he's down and out.

ricksfolly

 

[Mach]

When I see a homeless man or woman on the street, I always give them five dollars. It makes us both feel good and has no effect on their way of life. ricksfolly

Sure, but do you run up to someone else, kick them and take some of their money, then go give it to the homeless people? Still getting a good feeling about
that? And how about the person you kicked and stole from?
And as you point out, the $5 didn't change a damn thing anyway.

So you think doing "nothing", at the cost of kicking and stealing from someone else, is good.

 

[UtahBill]

They need people to treat them with dignity and respect and instead of turning a nose up? How about be kind. necessities/ luxuries? I am sure if they were not treated as 2nd class citizens? It may have a huge impact on their lives. Sometimes a friendly smile and a job offer is better than anything else.

Edit: This thread makes me sad and some folks do not understand

You would be kind to any and all? You haven't met the younger of my two older sisters. If she comes to visit, it is to ask for money, or steal from you.
Or my younger brother who won't work unless he is paid $25 per hour. He isn't even worth minimum wage. Whatever he does needs to be done over. He hasn't had a real job in almost 40 years.

 

[Kali]

Do they deserve an ambulance?

Of course they do:doh

 

[Kali]

You would be kind to any and all? You haven't met the younger of my two older sisters. If she comes to visit, it is to ask for money, or steal from you.
Or my younger brother who won't work unless he is paid $25 per hour. He isn't even worth minimum wage. Whatever he does needs to be done over. He hasn't had a real job in almost 40 years.

Well there does come a time when you have to say enough is enough.

 

[Renae]

It's not about the government mailing checks to the few deadbeat dads and welfare mothers who always get the publicity, it's mostly about helping those who can't help themselves for a variety of physical or mental reasons.

When I see a homeless man or woman on the street, I always give them five dollars. It makes us both feel good and has no effect on their way of life.

ricksfolly

Yeah, I almost NEVER give money to beggars on the street. I give them water, maybe food. Used to when I smoked.. maybe a few cigarrettes. But NEVER money. Money becomes drugs/alcohol. It's a foolish waste to give them cash.

 

[justabubba]

Yeah, I almost NEVER give money to beggars on the street. I give them water, maybe food. Used to when I smoked.. maybe a few cigarrettes. But NEVER money. Money becomes drugs/alcohol. It's a foolish waste to give them cash.

what's wrong with them using the money they receive for drugs and alcohol?

 

[Renae]

many, many reasons why phone service is not a luxury. and i have to say it's ridiculous to assume it is.

It is a luxury. Just like the internet, cable/sat TV and many other things.

Is it a serious impediment to you if you do not have a phone? OF COURSE it is. Round here for less then $20 a month you can have a phone line, and I think some of the cheaper cell phone providers can be around that monthly fee wise.

If you cannot find a way to afford a phone line... you probably have some serious issues in your life. If you are an able bodied person, then really... it's a matter of priority.

 

[bennyhill]

Your making an intellecutal mistake in comparing poor americans with stone age ancestors.

If you dont live in a megacity you problablly need a car to find a job and keep a job. You need a phone to call a doctor or maybe be invited to an interview.

Do you really need a toilet in your home, or is it ok to have it in your garden like great great grandpa? What do your health codes say about ****ting in your garden and if you dont even have that? Should you **** on your terrace?

Our society has changed so profoundly, that its foolish to compare cowboys with civilized men.

 

[Renae]

Your making an intellecutal mistake in comparing poor americans with stone age ancestors.

If you dont live in a megacity you problablly need a car to find a job and keep a job. You need a phone to call a doctor or maybe be invited to an interview.

Do you really need a toilet in your home, or is it ok to have it in your garden like great great grandpa? What do your health codes say about ****ting in your garden and if you dont even have that? Should you **** on your terrace?

Our society has changed so profoundly, that its foolish to compare cowboys with civilized men.

You fail to understand that individuals are responsible for their success, not the people. This reliance on the "government" to make sure everyone has "what they need", is beyond detrimental to the continued well being of this country it's sickening.

 

[bennyhill]

I see we will never agree upon responsiblity.
If a society is to be cohesive, then the vast majority have to benefit from the system, otherwise there will be social unrest.

 

[rivrrat]

It is a luxury. Just like the internet, cable/sat TV and many other things.

Is it a serious impediment to you if you do not have a phone? OF COURSE it is. Round here for less then $20 a month you can have a phone line, and I think some of the cheaper cell phone providers can be around that monthly fee wise.

If you cannot find a way to afford a phone line... you probably have some serious issues in your life. If you are an able bodied person, then really... it's a matter of priority.

Meh. I lived without a phone for about 8 years while I worked on the river. Really wasn't a big deal. Of course, most of the time I didn't have electricity or running water either. LOL

 

[bennyhill]

If you expect americans to live without electricty and running water, than tell those Latino illegals! They surely didnt cross the Rio Grande for the righ to **** in the garden.

 

[Renae]

I see we will never agree upon responsiblity.
If a society is to be cohesive, then the vast majority have to benefit from the system, otherwise there will be social unrest.

The vast majority DO benefit. They get a country that's governed by equal laws, protected from threats from abroad by the military and within by police. Fire and EMS services are available for emergencies.


After that, you are responsible for you. Believing the "people" must provide for you is selfish, greedy and lazy. You are free to succeed, and free to FAIL. Take away that freedom to fail, and we all are brought down.

I believe in people, you do not.

 

[Renae]

If you expect americans to live without electricty and running water, than tell those Latino illegals! They surely didnt cross the Rio Grande for the righ to **** in the garden.

I tell Illegals "La migra" and call ICE on their asses.

 

[justabubba]

It is a luxury. Just like the internet, cable/sat TV and many other things.

Is it a serious impediment to you if you do not have a phone? OF COURSE it is. Round here for less then $20 a month you can have a phone line, and I think some of the cheaper cell phone providers can be around that monthly fee wise.

If you cannot find a way to afford a phone line... you probably have some serious issues in your life. If you are an able bodied person, then really... it's a matter of priority.

somebody tell vic this thread is about those things found essential for impoverished Americans ... the folks who do have serious issues in their lives

 

[Renae]

somebody tell vic this thread is about those things found essential for impoverished Americans ... the folks who do have serious issues in their lives

I know what the thread is about. They still don't have a right to publicly provided telephones.