What are Con's so afraid of?

[danarhea]

What are Cons so afraid of? Simply put, its the fear that they have screwed up so badly while in charge that the Democrats will end up taking the government back.

I think that fear is unrealistic though. After all, we are talking about Democrats here, not politicians who have real convictions and a real spine to back up those convictions, nor politicians who have a real chance to convince people they have a better plan.

Bush may suck, but so do the Dems, who will once again come up with a positively inspiring and thought-laden plan to lose another election. They have my complete confidence on that.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

What are Cons so afraid of? Simply put, its the fear that they have screwed up so badly while in charge that the Democrats will end up taking the government back.

I think that fear is unrealistic though. After all, we are talking about Democrats here, not politicians who have real convictions and a real spine to back up those convictions, nor politicians who have a real chance to convince people they have a better plan.

Bush may suck, but so do the Dems, who will once again come up with a positively inspiring and thought-laden plan to lose another election. They have my complete confidence on that.

The only day I fear is the day Liberal Dixiecrats, have their way and make socioeconomic standards race related, and then make transnational Islamic-American ideals, race related, even though the UAE gave us O.B.L. but you won't hear that because W.J.C. declined the offer. (the UAE was willing to sacrifice their prince for that target and Clinton ******d out) It's a bad thing. It's not about race it's about status and intelligence and the talent of the individual.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
I'm for making them...

This is your problem. This is the thing you need to work on. This is what is causing all the hate. This is what caused 9/11. This is what's going to cause another one. This is the biggest problem our country is facing right now.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

This is your problem. This is the thing you need to work on. This is what is causing all the hate. This is what caused 9/11. This is what's going to cause another one. This is the biggest problem our country is facing right now.

Perhaps I should clarify; I am for making peace with them, as long as they agree to quit spreading the hate out of their pulpits, that's all I ask, we're all people of faith after all.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
Perhaps I should clarify; I am for making peace with them, as long as they agree to quit spreading the hate out of their pulpits, that's all I ask, we're all people of faith after all.

I agree with that. I would also like them to realize that jihad is a myth. You cannot kill in the name of God. No one can. And they are not going to make many friends rioting over some silly cartoons. That makes about as much sense as torching your own neighborhood because you didn't like the Rodney King verdict.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I agree with that. I would also like them to realize that jihad is a myth. You cannot kill in the name of God. No one can. And they are not going to make many friends rioting over some silly cartoons. That makes about as much sense as torching your own neighborhood because you didn't like the Rodney King verdict.

Kill in the name of god? What "god," hmm? Oh how I love Arabs, it's like they're pre enlightenment period. Enh,.....

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
Kill in the name of god? What "god," hmm? Oh how I love Arabs, it's like they're pre enlightenment period. Enh,.....

Being "pre-enlightened" is a pretty funny concept whether you are a muslim mullah or a christian mullah.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Being "pre-enlightened" is a pretty funny concept whether you are a muslim mullah or a christian mullah.

Believing in the big man in the sky is funny any way you slice it.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God.

:2wave:

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

But here's the thing, it takes more than the Democrats just being retarted for us to win elections, don't get cocky, what we need to do is stick to our conservative principles, because that is something the Democrats can not contend with, our ideology is right their's is wrong, but if we fail to uphold them then the conservative base may not come out to vote in protest.

What conservative principals? You mean like running on a platform of smaller government, then spending so much money on pork even the Democrats are embarassed?

Running on a national security platform, and fighting to keep the border with Mexico wide open? Giving amnesty to the invaders?

You do realize that tax cuts without any semblance of fiscal prudence is plain stupid, right?

Okay, the Republicans have held to the non-issues, maintaining the farce of anti-abortion even thought that war was lost decades ago. And at least they talk about fixing socialist security. They don't have the balls to discuss ending it.

The one thing that these last five years have proven is that there's NO difference between the Dems and the Repubs.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

What conservative principals? You mean like running on a platform of smaller government, then spending so much money on pork even the Democrats are embarassed?

Running on a national security platform, and fighting to keep the border with Mexico wide open? Giving amnesty to the invaders?

You do realize that tax cuts without any semblance of fiscal prudence is plain stupid, right?

Okay, the Republicans have held to the non-issues, maintaining the farce of anti-abortion even thought that war was lost decades ago. And at least they talk about fixing socialist security. They don't have the balls to discuss ending it.

The one thing that these last five years have proven is that there's NO difference between the Dems and the Repubs.

Example A, a voter who is p!ssed due to the Republicans lack of sticking to their Conservative principles, tell me Scare, are you going to vote Dem, or are you just not going to vote at all?

 

[jfuh]

Kill in the name of god? What "god," hmm? Oh how I love Arabs, it's like they're pre enlightenment period. Enh,.....

Sounds like Bush and other religious nut heads on capital hill lol. Oh yeah Pat Buchanan.

 

[jfuh]

The one thing that these last five years have proven is that there's NO difference between the Dems and the Repubs.

Actually it's prooven something else. The dems cower to thier mistakes while the repubs bring out the big guns with thier hairy balls and arrogantly claim to have made no error.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by jfuh
Actually it's prooven something else. The dems cower to thier mistakes while the repubs bring out the big guns with thier hairy balls and arrogantly claim to have made no error.

This is true.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Example A, a voter who is p!ssed due to the Republicans lack of sticking to their Conservative principles, tell me Scare, are you going to vote Dem, or are you just not going to vote at all?

You say "Example A". An example of what? You're not meeting any standard of verbal clarity at all.

Also, are you implying that there's something wrong with rejecting Republican hypocrisy? Are you happy with the Republican spendthrift ways? Do you like that the Republicans refuse to act on the Invasion from Mexico? Perhaps the expansion of government power is something you approve of?

Come on, you claim the Republicans have principles. Where are yours when you defend them for abadoning them?

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Actually it's prooven something else. The dems cower to thier mistakes while the repubs bring out the big guns with thier hairy balls and arrogantly claim to have made no error.

So you're admitting to being too young to remember the Clinton years. That's no surprising.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

You say "Example A". An example of what? You're not meeting any standard of verbal clarity at all.

Also, are you implying that there's something wrong with rejecting Republican hypocrisy? Are you happy with the Republican spendthrift ways? Do you like that the Republicans refuse to act on the Invasion from Mexico? Perhaps the expansion of government power is something you approve of?

Come on, you claim the Republicans have principles. Where are yours when you defend them for abadoning them?

I'm not defending them in fact I'm agreeing with you, you are example A - a voter who is p!ssed about the Reps abandoning many of their conservative principles.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

I'm not defending them in fact I'm agreeing with you, you are example A - a voter who is p!ssed about the Reps abandoning many of their conservative principles.

But I'm not pissed. That would require that I expected something different from them. And you haven't defined what "conservative principles" are, so you can't claim that anyone is upset that the Republicans may have abandoned them.

 

[Axismaster]

But I'm not pissed. That would require that I expected something different from them. And you haven't defined what "conservative principles" are, so you can't claim that anyone is upset that the Republicans may have abandoned them.

Conservative principles of course are smaller government and more freedom, in the spirit of Barry Goldwater. I guess I am a Goldwater conservative then, but more libertarian, not a liberal-libertarian, conservative-libertarian, or moderate libertarian, but a libertarian-libertarian.

 

[jfuh]

So you're admitting to being too young to remember the Clinton years. That's no surprising.

I don't see how that admits to anything at all.
What's not surprising is you can only use ad hominen attacks.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

I don't see how that admits to anything at all.
What's not surprising is you can only use ad hominen attacks.

You said:

"The dems cower to thier mistakes while the repubs bring out the big guns with thier hairy balls and arrogantly claim to have made no error."

That's a clear indication that you weren't conscious during the Clinton years. That's not an ad hominem attack, it's a simple statement of fact.

You must have slept through the "I didn't have sex with that woman....Miss Lewinski" skit.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Midterm elections? BRING IT ON! :lol:



None of these issues are going to make voters ask for bigger government. In fact, people are going to want less government when they witness government abuse of power.

During Watergate, you may have said (using this logic) that this scandal would cause America to "swing" liberal. What happened was, we got rid of Nixon, but conservatism became much stronger.

Watergate was about Nixon. The issues that are hurting the GOP are far more overarching: Schiavo, Stem Cell Research, Intelligent Design in Schools, Katrina, Plamegate, Abramoff, Iraq War, 8 trillion debt etc.These issues speak to the current failure of the conservative movement.

Read these quotes from GOP members - even they are not drinking the koolaid anymore:

Former Congressman Pat Toomey, current head of The Club for Growth: "We have to acknowledge we have a President who is not popular… The war in Iraq is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room and a major downturn could drown anything we do… We won in 1994 because we promised small government and going into the 2006 elections this is key idea we have abandoned."

Former Colorado State Senator John Andrews: "I feel the Republican Party in my state and nationally is a party that has lost its way… we need to find our way back to a reason to vote Republican."

Missouri Lt. Governor Pete Kinder on the state of the party: "The demoralization of the base is real. I hear it everywhere."

Conservative Arizona Congressman John Shaddeg on the Abramoff scandal: "I believe these scandals are the end of the 1994 Revolution… all this seriously threatens the Republican majority. It might be hard to shrink government as we promised. But it's not that hard to be honest and we haven't."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?pid=64204

 

[DeeJayH]

It almost seems that con's are fearful of the end result of the mid term elections. Should the dems be able to gain enough seats in congress would it really be that bad for the cons?
Or perhaps it is that there's the conservatives fear of having all thier "tops" being prosecuted amongst the various indicments.

*pokes jfuh with a stick*

wake up, you are dreaming again

 

[Blue Collar Joe]

The Cons, as you call us, are looking forward to the midterms. Why? Because a little upheaval always does us good. When the pols start getting too big for their britches, we welcome a changing of our guard with the younger versions that still believe in morals.
As for the border being a big issue? No. We just want it secure. That damned border has been this porous through a lot of presidents on both sides. It just became a really big issue after 911.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Watergate was about Nixon. The issues that are hurting the GOP are far more overarching: Schiavo, Stem Cell Research, Intelligent Design in Schools, Katrina, Plamegate, Abramoff, Iraq War, 8 trillion debt etc.These issues speak to the current failure of the conservative movement.

The press and the left hated Nixon since Alger Hiss was convicted. Watergate was a tumor based on that. Not defending Nixon, but that was the motivation for the media assualt.

Schiavo was a non-issue.

Stem Cell Research. Yeah, I can see how the left doesn't want any discussion of morals in the elections.

Intelligent Design is an issue supported by fringe lunatics, nothing more.

Katrina....the only thing the government did wrong was the previous 100 years of disaster response. I was totally satisfied with the outcome.

Abramoff. I kinda suspect the Democrats don't want to point the finger too vigorously at any hint of Republican corruption. They're just different maggots on the same pile of ****, after all.

Iraq War. The administration hasn't done a good job of selling it, and like every conflict the plans never survive contact with the enemy. The real issue on this will be what the candidates propose to do.

Eight terabucks of debt is a complication, though it doesn't work out to that much money per capita, and as a fraction of GDP it's manageable, but it's not something we should be growing. Again, though, the question for the future will be which programs do each candidate propose to eliminate.

Don't look for the whiny answers from the candidates, demand that each party give concrete proposals. Then ignore what they say because you know they're lying anyway, and vote Libertarian.