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Were the BLS numbers manipulated for political purposes?

Isidore

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"Important numbers like this must be fair and accurate, they can’t be manipulated for political purposes." – DJT​


August 21, 2024

The preliminary estimate of the benchmark revision indicates an adjustment to March 2024 total nonfarm employment of -818,000 (-0.5 percent).

https://www.bls.gov/ces/notices/2024/2024-preliminary-benchmark-revision.htm
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Who benefited politically from the announcement eleven weeks before Election Day of 68,000 fewer jobs per month for the previous year?


November 1, 2024

Total nonfarm payroll employment was essentially unchanged in October (+12,000)

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_11012024.htm
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Who benefited politically from the announcement of only 12,000 jobs added the previous month just four days before Election Day?


February 7, 2025

On a not seasonally adjusted basis, the total nonfarm employment level for March 2024 was revised downward by 598,000

October 2024 | Over-the-month change | As revised | 44,000

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_02072025.htm
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The final yearly revision for March 2024 was -598,000 compared to the -818,000 preliminary number announced prior to the Election. Why not use a more favorable number before the election and revise it to be less favorable afterwards if politics were determining the numbers?

The preliminary jobs number for October 2024 was +12,000 compared to the revised number of +44,000. Why not announce a significantly higher number days before the election and revise it lower afterwards if the intent was manipulate the number for political purposes?


ADP (blue) vs BLS (red)
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https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1L3m7


How was the ADP data manipulated to make the results over time align with the BLS numbers?
Shouldn't we be seeing a much larger overall deviation if the BLS data was being falsified?
 
The answer is no.
Trump was upset that jobs are not what he promised.

So now he’ll hire some MAGA hack will claim Trumps jobs are revised up 2 - 3 million each month.
 
It’s just maga not liking reality again.
 
They were not manipulated and nobody believes that they were. Right wingers are lying, like they lie about everything. They lie because pretending to believe this dumb shit is more socially acceptable than the truth:

They know Trump fired this woman because he doesn't want the true numbers released anymore, they just don't care.
 
… assuming this is being puked out by fascist state media and government.
 
NuffSaid said:
The answer is no.
Trump was upset that jobs are not what he promised.

So now he’ll hire some MAGA hack will claim Trumps jobs are revised up 2 - 3 million each month.
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But that won't really create jobs. It won't undo the effects of joblessness. Telling people they are fine when they aren't doesn't work.
 
Peacenik said:
Telling people they are fine when they aren't doesn't work.
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It sure as hell works and the GOP knows it.
Just look at the dumbest and poorest Magas in Red States that keep electing GOP folks that work against them election after election.
 
Showtime586 said:
It sure as hell works and the GOP knows it.
Just look at the dumbest and poorest Magas in Red States that keep electing GOP folks that work against them election after election.
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They were told it would get better if Trump got back in power. When it doesn't they will turn on him. He owns the economy now.
 
No. The claim is not even remotely creditable.
 
It’s more likely a problem with the method(s) used in the employment survey (forecast?), than with the announcement of the result.
 
Here is the guy that fired the BLS head, didn’t like the numbers!




WTF? Why will no one ask a follow up?
 
If one doesn't like reality.
Hire those who will lie. MAGA.
 
The more important question at this point is: is there any credibility to numbers coming out of this administration? For anything?

You would have to be a gullible fool to think so.

America, at this point you’re on your own. Good luck. 👍
 
This will make anyone who provides statistics to this administration, a little gun shy!
 
Rexedgar said:
Not sure about the past, but it’s pretty much garonteed that the future numbers will be cooked!
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Indeed. My thoughts exactly. Another MAGA tainted institution. Add it to the list.
 
Rexedgar said:
Here is the guy that fired the BLS head, didn’t like the numbers!




WTF? Why will no one ask a follow up?
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Because the super wealthy people who run the MSM like tax cuts too.
 
Isidore said:
"Important numbers like this must be fair and accurate, they can’t be manipulated for political purposes." – DJT​




Who benefited politically from the announcement eleven weeks before Election Day of 68,000 fewer jobs per month for the previous year?




Who benefited politically from the announcement of only 12,000 jobs added the previous month just four days before Election Day?




The final yearly revision for March 2024 was -598,000 compared to the -818,000 preliminary number announced prior to the Election. Why not use a more favorable number before the election and revise it to be less favorable afterwards if politics were determining the numbers?

The preliminary jobs number for October 2024 was +12,000 compared to the revised number of +44,000. Why not announce a significantly higher number days before the election and revise it lower afterwards if the intent was manipulate the number for political purposes?


ADP (blue) vs BLS (red)
fredgraph.png

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1L3m7


How was the ADP data manipulated to make the results over time align with the BLS numbers?
Shouldn't we be seeing a much larger overall deviation if the BLS data was being falsified?
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It's all bullshit with Trump, and it has to be, because the truth is horrific for the American people.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It’s more likely a problem with the method(s) used in the employment survey (forecast?), than with the announcement of the result.
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No, it's not more likely a problem with the method. And, more importantly, you don't believe that there is a problem with the method.

It's the same method they've been using. You never complained about it before. You never knew anything about the method before. You don't know anything about the method now. You're just trying to retroactively justify what Trump does.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It’s more likely a problem with the method(s) used in the employment survey (forecast?), than with the announcement of the result.
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You are probably right, no pun intended, but the question is, are they being manipulated for political purposes? I would suggest that they are not as they show changes to the numbers after the fact that both hurt and help the parties equally and seem to form just a random pattern. If there was a fix on, the numbers would only ever help the party in power.
 
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