Well, so much for those deportation quotas, MAGAns!

[ttwtt78640]

The W-2 approach isn't a bad end goal, but we need a way to get there that doesn't do more harm than good. No matter what we do to enforce immigration laws more strictly, we need a transition period to get there because otherwise, we lose valuable workers with no plan in place to train and replace them. That hurts businesses, our economy, and undermines family values our constitution tries to protect.

Nope, that “transition period” would be fairly short since employers would then have to offer enough compensation and decent (safe?) working conditions in order to attract and retain qualified legal labor.

FYI - I didn't ignore your rhetorical question, but I chose to answer it above instead of directly.

Perhaps making the legal immigration process more efficient would help.

 

[Xilnik]

Nope, that “transition period” would be fairly short since employers would then have to offer enough compensation and decent (safe?) working conditions in order to attract and retain qualified legal labor.

I'm not against that, and that's what temporary work visa programs are for. Those programs could be expanded for the interim to allow everyone to adjust to new legislation.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Nope, that “transition period” would be fairly short since employers would then have to offer enough compensation and decent (safe?) working conditions in order to attract and retain qualified legal labor.

We're already at full employment.

Do you think there is a pool of people that dont already work someplace else waiting to do the work if only it paid more?

 

[ttwtt78640]

I'm not against that, and that's what temporary work visa programs are for. Those programs could be expanded for the interim to allow everyone to adjust to new legislation.

Hmm…

 

[CaughtInThe]

This guy is the biggest piece of shit we've ever had as president. Except for maybe Andrew Jackson.

 

[Cope]

Many consider any illegal alien (‘undocumented’ immigrant) to be a criminal, thus subject to deportation.

If by many, you mean the LAW considers them illegally here, then yes, I agree.

I am kinda glad that he can see the difference in those that are needed even if they are here illegally, and those who need to go. Now if only there were an easy way to go about quickly deporting those troublesome ones (there isn't) but his blather got the best of him.

I for one, am glad that he is now seemingly looking for some sort of compromise. Not that I think he will find it. The numbers won't pile up if the search for non-working, criminal elements is the focus because those aren't nearly as easy to find as those working.

 

[hooligan]

are we going to start the “immigration law isn’t real law and shouldn’t count” argument

Sounds like a question for the President, based on his tweet.

 

[hooligan]

The numbers won't pile up if the search for non-working, criminal elements is the focus because those aren't nearly as easy to find as those working.

Correct - which is why they have been going after the low hanging fruit of Trump's "good workers", and those attempting to follow the legal process by showing up to their immigration court appointments.

 

[ttwtt78640]

If by many, you mean the LAW considers them illegally here, then yes, I agree.

I am kinda glad that he can see the difference in those that are needed even if they are here illegally, and those who need to go. Now if only there were an easy way to go about quickly deporting those troublesome ones (there isn't) but his blather got the best of him.

I for one, am glad that he is now seemingly looking for some sort of compromise. Not that I think he will find it. The numbers won't pile up if the search for non-working, criminal elements is the focus because those aren't nearly as easy to find as those working.

Having some (low paying?) job and committing crimes aren’t mutually exclusive activities.

What you seem to want is amnesty for any ‘undocumented’ immigrant who doesn’t commit a ‘serious’ crime and for ‘job creators’ to be able to employ them with impunity.

 

[Xilnik]

Sounds like a question for the President, based on his tweet.

That's how it should have always been. Biden had deportation correct. What we lacked under his administration was border security. That's the only real change needed from the President. Beyond that, fix the systemic issues with immigration through legislation instead of EOs that undermine our separation of powers.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Kelby]

Well apparently Trump has decided to not deport farm workers now. Seems the large corporate farms got to him. Next it will be meat packers and hotel workers!

Maybe he’ll hire them back, you know like the Federal workers they found out they needed. I hope those deportees left a forwarding address..

 

[BirdinHand]

Did they violate immigration law? If so, they are criminals, not matter what their work ethic is.

Dear Leader TODAY said there will be changes made because some of these people are good and hard working.

You need to keep up on what the MAGA messaging is.

You’re a day behind.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Dear Leader TODAY said there will be changes made because some of these people are good and hard working.

You need to keep up on what the MAGA messaging is.

You’re a day behind.

I am not a Democrat. I don’t do messaging. My opinions are my own.

 

[BirdinHand]

My opinions are my own.

Ok

 

[NolanVoyd]

I am not a Democrat. I don’t do messaging. My opinions are my own.

What are you doing in a thread about what trump said about illegal immigrants if you dont want to talk about what Trump said?

Are you just trolling?

 

[Cope]

Having some (low paying?) job and committing crimes aren’t mutually exclusive activities.

No, they aren't. Seems finding the criminals with jobs would be easier than finding the criminals without jobs though. Get rid of the criminal element in whatever form that takes.

What you seem to want is amnesty for any ‘undocumented’ immigrant who doesn’t commit a ‘serious’ crime and for ‘job creators’ to be able to employ them with impunity.

That isn't what I said at all. I think all illegally here people should be scrutinized carefully. The criminal elements, the do nothings, the anchors who drain resources. They all need to go. The ones here that are needed, need a faster track to be utilized for the employers who need them.
You live near me. I would hazard a guess that nearly 30% of all construction workers in the area are here illegally, but they are needed. Fast track them with work visas (temporary) on an as needed basis, and tax them.

 

[NolanVoyd]

No, they aren't. Seems finding the criminals with jobs would be easier than finding the criminals without jobs though. Get rid of the criminal element in whatever form that takes.

That isn't what I said at all. I think all illegally here people should be scrutinized carefully. The criminal elements, the do nothings, the anchors who drain resources. They all need to go. The ones here that are needed, need a faster track to be utilized for the employers who need them.
You live near me. I would hazard a guess that nearly 30% of all construction workers in the area are here illegally, but they are needed. Fast track them with work visas (temporary) on an as needed basis, and tax them.

"Anchors"?

Explain.

 

[Greenbeard]

Lol, this guy. Wonder who was the last in the room with Trump? Stephen Miller is going to be livid!

So first it was focusing on criminals. Then, to meet quotas, ICE started arresting, detaining, and deporting people who weren't criminals, many who have come under asylum regulations.

But now it seems some rich Republicans are complaining they don't have enough cheap labor so perhaps Trump can help with that?

Lol.

Trump Always Chickens Out.

 

[ttwtt78640]

No, they aren't. Seems finding the criminals with jobs would be easier than finding the criminals without jobs though. Get rid of the criminal element in whatever form that takes.

Which includes deporting (all) illegal aliens.

That isn't what I said at all. I think all illegally here people should be scrutinized carefully. The criminal elements, the do nothings, the anchors who drain resources. They all need to go. The ones here that are needed, need a faster track to be utilized for the employers who need them.

If, after careful scrutiny (what some are calling due process), a person is found to be an illegal alien then they should be deported. Anything short of that is granting them amnesty for their (past) illegal entry or ‘temporary’ visa overstay. Giving them line jumping or head of line status to gain permission to become legalized (a reward for having been here illegally?) is ridiculous.

You live near me. I would hazard a guess that nearly 30% of all construction workers in the area are here illegally, but they are needed.

On some construction or landscaping crews it’s higher than 30%, but that’s what keeps wages and fringe benefits for those occupations down for all such workers. For those used to third-world pay and living conditions a lower wage working in the US is a significant improvement over what they could make working in their third-world homelands.

Fast track them with work visas (temporary) on an as needed basis, and tax them.

Again, that amounts to a reward for their current illegal alien status.

 

[Xilnik]

Which includes deporting (all) illegal aliens.



If, after careful scrutiny (what some are calling due process), a person is found to be an illegal alien then they should be deported. Anything short of that is granting them amnesty for their (past) illegal entry or ‘temporary’ visa overstay. Giving them line jumping or head of line status to gain permission to become legalized (a reward for having been here illegally?) is ridiculous.



On some construction or landscaping crews it’s higher than 30%, but that’s what keeps wages and fringe benefits for those occupations down for all such workers. For those used to third-world pay and living conditions a lower wage working in the US is a significant improvement over what they could make working in their third-world homelands.



Again, that amounts to a reward for their current illegal alien status.

I have a difficult time following your concerns. You are against people being here illegally and being treated poorly, not having work safety and fair wages. I'm with you so far on that. What I do not understand is this stance to kick these people out of our country because they're here illegally. That seems like adding insult to injury. These people broke minor laws, and sure, why have laws if we don't enforce them, but kicking people out who did work in good faith, likely in hopes of building a life here and becoming citizens in the future, seems wrong to me.

What I view your argument as is laws have no wiggle room, therefore deport everyone here illegally even if they:

• Have built a life here with their families.
• Have been treated poorly through unsafe working conditions.
• Have been treated poorly through unfair wages.

Excuse me if the above confuses me, but why would you be against treating people poorly and then turn around and treat them poorly?

 

[TangoNoCash]

This guy indeed. He has no idea. He’s just pulling every lever he sees.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I have a difficult time following your concerns. You are against people being here illegally and being treated poorly, not having work safety and fair wages. I'm with you so far on that. What I do not understand is this stance to kick these people out of our country because they're here illegally.

That’s the law and as such should be enforced. The alternative (equal treatment of the law) is effectively open borders.

That seems like adding insult to injury. These people broke minor laws, and sure, why have laws if we don't enforce them, but kicking people out who did work in good faith, likely in hopes of building a life here and becoming citizens in the future, seems wrong to me.

The last ‘mass amnesty’ (under Reagan) allowed about 3M to stay with the ‘promise’ (pinky swear?) to secure the borders and adequately enforce immigration law from that point forward. Obviously, that (bolded) never happened, thus we now have 12M to 20M illegal aliens currently inside the US.

What I view your argument as is laws have no wiggle room, therefore deport everyone here illegally even if they:

• Have built a life here with their families.
• Have been treated poorly through unsafe working conditions.
• Have been treated poorly through unfair wages.

Excuse me if the above confuses me, but why would you be against treating people poorly and then turn around and treat them poorly?

To break the endless cycle of depending on having an endless supply of poorly treated illegal alien labor. The US citizen offspring of illegal aliens won’t take those ‘jobs US citizens won’t do’ (for the wages working conditions offered), thus we need an endless re-supply of (additional) illegal aliens to keep the (admittedly broken?) status quo intact.

 

[Xilnik]

That’s the law and as such should be enforced. The alternative (equal treatment of the law) is effectively open borders.



The last ‘mass amnesty’ (under Reagan) allowed about 3M to stay with the ‘promise’ (pinky swear?) to secure the borders and adequately enforce immigration law from that point forward. Obviously, that (bolded) never happened, thus we now have 12M to 20M illegal aliens currently inside the US.



To break the endless cycle of depending on having an endless supply of poorly treated illegal alien labor. The US citizen offspring of illegal aliens won’t take those ‘jobs US citizens won’t do’ (for the wages working conditions offered), thus we need an endless re-supply of (additional) illegal aliens to keep the (admittedly broken?) status quo intact.

Okay, so I agree with you for the most part. I think where we disagree is getting there, which I addressed in my earlier posts. There really needs to be legislation passed to protect people, and the people already here, doing the work and fully trained, should have a path to become legal with the protections in place from that legislation. That's where I think we'd need that transition with temporary work visas expanded. I'd rather not hurt a bunch of people on technicalities while also bridging the gap to what you're saying.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Okay, so I agree with you for the most part. I think where we disagree is getting there, which I addressed in my earlier posts. There really needs to be legislation passed to protect people, and the people already here, doing the work and fully trained, should have a path to become legal with the protections in place from that legislation. That's where I think we'd need that transition with temporary work visas expanded. I'd rather not hurt a bunch of people on technicalities while also bridging the gap to what you're saying.

That rewards those foreign nationals who willingly broke federal law (including their employers), by letting them get jobs (or ‘discount’ labor) many others who have respect for our laws would like to have.

BTW, becoming “fully trained” for many of these jobs takes only a few days of OJT.

On-the-Job Training:

• Duration: Varies depending on the specific role and employer, but often involves a shorter, more informal training period.
• Format: Primarily focuses on learning practical skills through direct work experience.
• Examples: Construction laborers, helpers, and some less specialized roles.

Infographic: Where Undocumented Immigrants Work

This chart shows the U.S. industries with the highest share of the workforce made up of undocumented immigrants.

www.statista.com