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We need to start talking openly about breaking the country up peacefully

Welfare is not a grant of power - it was specifically identified by the Founders as not being a grant of power.

And James Madison himself, "The Father of our Constitution, specifically cited education as an example of something that did not fall under the jurisdiction of the Constitution.

Of course you would cite the things that are obviously invalid as supposed grants of power. Our country has been under attack from within for decades - and you, along with countless millions, have been seduced and deceived into accepting the lies.

Therein lies one of the principle reasons those of us who want to live in a free country want to get away from people like you. You're very poor citizens, very dangerous citizens; and you haven't the first clue why.
um, have you ever been to a third world country where the government doesn't provide education for the children in the country?
 
You seem to be arguing that it is okay to keep slaves....in fact, the original bill of rights didn't give you any real rights...unless you were an aristocrat. Why do you oppose the 14th, 19th and other amendments? Do you not believe in the premise of equality?
Slavery is not the issue here as the Republicans defeated the Democrats over that issue long ago. Neither are the 14th and 19th amendments, though it would help greatly if elected politicians represented the majority of their constituents on every issue that came before them to vote on.
The passage of the 16th and 17th amendments eliminated our government from being "by the people" into being "of the people" and "by the party" in control of the Congress. We have become a collectivist form of government, and the Federal level of government has the power to produce whatever money it takes to buy the voters without harming the wealth of those who actually create the laws.
 
Pack your crap and move..
I'm willing to move.

The Jews moved out of Germany to get away from authoritarian maniacs... we're in the same situation.

I'm certainly willing to move to get away from you people.
 
Slavery is not the issue here as the Republicans defeated the Democrats over that issue long ago. Neither are the 14th and 19th amendments, though it would help greatly if elected politicians represented the majority of their constituents on every issue that came before them to vote on.
The passage of the 16th and 17th amendments eliminated our government from being "by the people" into being "of the people" and "by the party" in control of the Congress. We have become a collectivist form of government, and the Federal level of government has the power to produce whatever money it takes to buy the voters without harming the wealth of those who actually create the laws.
Republicans back then were actually liberal democrats and Democrats were actually Republicans...they switched platforms.
 
I'm willing to move.

The Jews moved out of Germany to get away from authoritarian maniacs... we're in the same situation.

I'm certainly willing to move to get away from you people.
Good bye....don't let the door hit you where the good lord split ya. Perhaps Haiti would suit you?
 
I'm willing to move.

The Jews moved out of Germany to get away from authoritarian maniacs... we're in the same situation.

I'm certainly willing to move to get away from you people.

Then ****in go. Find your utopia and go. So let's look at where, countries more libertarian than America.

hmm...

Do you like pirates by any chance?
 
Education is the main reason of success of a country...want to live like Haiti and Honduras...don't provide for the education of our children and that is what you will get as a result...we turn quickly into a third world country with nothing left but corruption, violence and bloodletting.
The assumption that education did not exist before the government provided it is simply stupid. Education is not dependent on government, government controls education to ensure compliance. Most people are so brain washed by the system, trying to explain that to them is akin to the Brondo scene in Idiocracy.....
 
The assumption that education did not exist before the government provided it is simply stupid. Education is not dependent on government, government controls education to ensure compliance. Most people are so brain washed by the system, trying to explain that to them is akin to the Brondo scene in Idiocracy.....
So, you want half witted education that doesn't teach beyond 6th grade and charges people leaving out half of the population from any education? Do you realize it wasn't until nearly WWII that we became a world power..and that was because we had a uniform education system....until then we were nothing but a bunch of country bumpkins that couldn't read, write or do math.
 
LMAO…. Good luck getting people to stay to raise crops… hell, most rural towns are ALREADY dealing with brain drain and declining populations.
Where the hell do you think your groceries come from now? Have you always been so badly informed?
 
Republicans back then were actually liberal democrats and Democrats were actually Republicans...they switched platforms.
Actually, the Democrats when LBJ was President, saw they could use tax dollars very effectively to buy votes. Platforms were not switched, but Federal spending, debt accumulation, and inflation, has grown enormously ever since.
 
Try eating software and Wall St derivatives. Rural districts can survive quite well without CA and NY. Most of what we need that we don't produce comes from China anyway.
Key word "survive".....like subsistence and ag exports


In fact most third world countries have ag based economies.

Good luck with that.
 
Where the hell do you think your groceries come from now? Have you always been so badly informed?
Which part of what he said do you think is incorrect?
 
Where the hell do you think your groceries come from now? Have you always been so badly informed?
um, your food sitting in your fridge was likely imported from other countries or picked by migrants....not by white guys that drive pick up trucks. Also, if you live in a state where it snows 9 months out of the year...what are you going to eat?
 
Key word "survive".....like subsistence and ag exports


In fact most third world countries have ag based economies.

Good luck with that.
So suddenly the world that depends on US agriculture, and would starve without it, will no longer need it.. How stupidly misinformed can you be?
 
um, your food sitting in your fridge was likely imported from other countries or picked by migrants....not by white guys that drive pick up trucks. Also, if you live in a state where it snows 9 months out of the year...what are you going to eat?
My God, have you ever been outside of Florida? How can anyone be so ignorant of the country they live in?
 
So suddenly the world that depends on US agriculture, and would starve without it, will no longer need it.. How stupidly misinformed can you be?
The world wouldn't starve without US agriculture. But we do produce surpluses. They need to be sold.

And you missed my point.

It is just a fact that ag based economies tend to be poor, third world style economies.

Oh and just some advice, your childish insults don't bother me but they do reflect poorly on you.

You might want to keep your childish side in check here.
 
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In a University of Virginia poll they found 52% of Trump voters and 41% of Biden voters "somewhat agreed" with the statement that red states should secede and form our own country.

This has to happen, or it is inevitable that armed conflict will commence and escalate.

Democrats are increasingly using the force of law (unconstitutional laws) to impose their will on everyone. Democrats applaud this use of force, and can't understand why anyone would not willingly comply.

Libertarians, Republicans, and a majority of independents simply want to be left alone to make their own decisions and live their lives as they see fit.

Eventually the leftists Democrats will push too far and large segments of the population will refuse to obey.

Enforcement measures may take many forms - forced out of employment, denied food, etc. Eventually shots will be fired and the Democrats (Federal Goverment, Media, the Deep State) will turn the military on the "racist", "diseased", "xenophobic", "hate-filled Christian", extremists that populate the "red states".

Make no mistake - this is exactly where we're heading.

We need to begin having peaceful, rational, negotiations on a plan of secession before our nation descends into civil war.
Will libertarians and religious conservatives each need their own country? Which red state is majority libertarian?
 
The assumption that education did not exist before the government provided it is simply stupid. Education is not dependent on government, government controls education to ensure compliance. Most people are so brain washed by the system, trying to explain that to them is akin to the Brondo scene in Idiocracy.....
Isn't it spelled Brawndo?? "The Thirst Mutilater"... it has electrolytes :)

Best documentary ever made :)
 
I'm willing to move.

The Jews moved out of Germany to get away from authoritarian maniacs... we're in the same situation.

I'm certainly willing to move to get away from you people.
I retired and moved abroad decades ago. Noticed a 4.8% drop in the USD vs the local currency yesterday, and looks like it's not bottomed out yet. My investments grew 19.5% from a year ago. I have to admit, I benefit much more economically when democrats are in control than I do when republicans are in control, and less tax liability by how its done.
 
Will libertarians and religious conservatives each need their own country? Which red state is majority libertarian?
Why?? Freedom is freedom... what you do with your freedom is none of my business, and vice versa.

I'm a libertarian, we're a small minority. I'm also a Christian (also a minority) - admittedly a very rough around the edges Christian, but I'm certainly a believer.

I'm not good at turning the other cheek.
 
I'm willing to move.

The Jews moved out of Germany to get away from authoritarian maniacs... we're in the same situation.

I'm certainly willing to move to get away from you people.
Lol.

The democrats are equivalent to the Nazi's?

It seems like You've lost your mind.
 
So, you want half witted education that doesn't teach beyond 6th grade and charges people leaving out half of the population from any education? Do you realize it wasn't until nearly WWII that we became a world power..and that was because we had a uniform education system....until then we were nothing but a bunch of country bumpkins that couldn't read, write or do math.
That is a pretty good description of our education system today half witted and graduating high school with a 6th grade education. Hell some of the kids today is so damned stupid they protest for BLM and actually believe bullshit like 1619.
Some of the smartest people you will ever see come off farms. My dad was foreman of the milling machine department for Consolidated during WW2, building B24's. He used to say when he was given a farmer, he would teach him to be a machinist. He said when they gave him a college boy, he would stick him in the drill press department because they were too stupid to teach.
Put someone like you on a farm, and they would starve in a year. You don't understand anything about the real world.
 
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