We need a DP Court so that members can get a fair hearing.

[WI Crippler]

Excuse me, I really do like the way this thread is going thanks to aps and IT, but I have to play killjoy for a second.

I know I haven't been a mod very long here, and I don't know the history of everybodies complaints, especially the old timers here. But I can honestly say that the mod team does its best to be discerning when they hand out infractions. We do take into account each situation as they merit. I hate to use analogies because people twist them to fit their own needs, but here goes. Think of DP as a road or highway, and the moderators are cops. The posted speed limit is 65MPH(forum rules). If someone is going 70, it will probably slide and nothing will happen. If you are going 75, you are going to get pulled over and given either a slight infraction, or simply a warning to watch your speed. Once you start hitting 80MPH and up, the infractions get worse and less chance there is for a warning. If you explain your reasons for driving so fast and they are legit(or if you got big boobs and I pull you over :2razz you might not get a ticket. If you sit in your car and argue the point without making a scene(PMing the mod team with your gripe), you may get it reversed, or the cops will stand by the decision. However if you get out of the car and make a public scene(publically challenging mod actions) that usually results in even further action. Sometimes, we have to tase you bro(temp suspensions). Now, we try to be discerning and make the right calls and still allow for civil, yet heated debate. I know I have personally gone to lengths, such as contacting people via PM to let them know that their behavior would result in infractions by the mod team if it continued. Not even an official warning, but rather a community service. Some people were fine with it, and were thankful I let them know and others simply spit on me and told me to fuck off. So why should I bother to go to any such lengths, that I am not even required to, when it gets thrown back in my face? I also know that every posted I have infracted or warned, I read very carefully the intent of that post. I also have discussed via PM with some of you about the nature of your infractions, and have overturned some of them after hearing your side of the story. And then I come in here, and although dana's beef seems to be with galen, I have to hear about how terrible you guys think we are? About how "gestapo" like the moderation team is? Please. I know many of you have resolved issues with the moderation team via PM. Those don't count anymore? All the times a moderator has reversed infractions, or dropped warnings in threads when you report uncivil posts, or given you a warning for a clearly infractable offense, those are all seemingly forgotten in this thread. Some of you are only remembering your bad experiences with a moderator action or inaction. I only ask that you honestly look at the whole spectrum, and take the times we have been helpful and understanding to your gripe or situation, and weigh them against the times when you have had bad experiences.

Now, back to the spankings.......

 

[donsutherland1]

I know it's hard if you're a moderator not to get defensive with some of the complaints in this thread, but I don't like seeing moderators belittle the regular posters who are expressing legitimate (in their eyes) concerns. I know you're people too, but I think that as a moderator, you owe the people who post here a little more maturity, sophistication, and listening skills than us regular posters, IMO.

Aps,

I appreciate having the opportunity to read the members' thoughts and concerns. Member input is constructive in highlighting issues that can enhance the moderation process and overall forum experience. An open-door approach that allows effective member-moderator communication can contribute toward DP's realizing its fullest potential as a forum in which a diverse member base can freely exchange thoughts and insights on the issues that drive national and international politics.

Finally, I also want to note that the other moderators fully respect DP's members and value their input.

Have a great weekend.​

 

[John1234]

Seriously, we mods have better things to do then participate in a trial every time someone gets their panties in a bunch. We do like to debate every now and then too, you know.

This would seem to be a good reason to follow my advice which is that Moderators should only give Infractions in extreme or obvious situations.
Anything that looks like a judgment call, an opinion, a gray area, or makes a moderator desire a second opinion is something that should be passed over.

I've seen moderators degrade people in this forum.
And i have personally called someone a "moron" before without any warning given to me. (In that case i would have taken my Infraction without a problem).
Then i see myself get a warning for "baiting" when i am the one being "baited".
And i see dana get points for calling the government morons, which 90% of the people in this forum have done or would do.

Be clear on this... I am not blaming anyone for the mistakes or oversights.
I do not even blame anyone for bias.
What I am telling you is that unless you have perfect consistency, you need to tone down the warnings and infractions to a level of only things that are in clear and obvious need of correction.

I also strongly disagree with your way of thinking that if its only a warning without points it doesn't matter.
For me, i do not care about the points one way or the other and the threat of those points will not ever alter what I have to say.
All that matters to me is the validity of the warning itself.

 

[1069]

Excuse me, I really do like the way this thread is going thanks to aps and IT, but I have to play killjoy for a second.

I know I haven't been a mod very long here, and I don't know the history of everybodies complaints, especially the old timers here. But I can honestly say that the mod team does its best to be discerning when they hand out infractions. We do take into account each situation as they merit. I hate to use analogies because people twist them to fit their own needs, but here goes. Think of DP as a road or highway, and the moderators are cops. The posted speed limit is 65MPH(forum rules). If someone is going 70, it will probably slide and nothing will happen. If you are going 75, you are going to get pulled over and given either a slight infraction, or simply a warning to watch your speed. Once you start hitting 80MPH and up, the infractions get worse and less chance there is for a warning. If you explain your reasons for driving so fast and they are legit(or if you got big boobs and I pull you over :2razz you might not get a ticket. If you sit in your car and argue the point without making a scene(PMing the mod team with your gripe), you may get it reversed, or the cops will stand by the decision. However if you get out of the car and make a public scene(publically challenging mod actions) that usually results in even further action. Sometimes, we have to tase you bro(temp suspensions). Now, we try to be discerning and make the right calls and still allow for civil, yet heated debate. I know I have personally gone to lengths, such as contacting people via PM to let them know that their behavior would result in infractions by the mod team if it continued. Not even an official warning, but rather a community service. Some people were fine with it, and were thankful I let them know and others simply spit on me and told me to fuck off. So why should I bother to go to any such lengths, that I am not even required to, when it gets thrown back in my face? I also know that every posted I have infracted or warned, I read very carefully the intent of that post. I also have discussed via PM with some of you about the nature of your infractions, and have overturned some of them after hearing your side of the story. And then I come in here, and although dana's beef seems to be with galen, I have to hear about how terrible you guys think we are? About how "gestapo" like the moderation team is? Please. I know many of you have resolved issues with the moderation team via PM. Those don't count anymore? All the times a moderator has reversed infractions, or dropped warnings in threads when you report uncivil posts, or given you a warning for a clearly infractable offense, those are all seemingly forgotten in this thread. Some of you are only remembering your bad experiences with a moderator action or inaction. I only ask that you honestly look at the whole spectrum, and take the times we have been helpful and understanding to your gripe or situation, and weigh them against the times when you have had bad experiences.

Now, back to the spankings.......

Well, my main problem (and I've already got a thread about it) is that I'm routinely infracted for saying "shite", while others say "I don't give two shits about (whatever)" or "That is such total bullshit. You must be absolutely batshit if you think that" or "George Bush is a great big shithead" and do not get infractions, because "shite" is "banned" (although not autocensored) whereas "shits", "bullshit", "batshit", "shithead", etc are not.

It has recently been brought to my attention that other forum members have received infractions for posting things like jacka$$ and hor$e$hit, although the actual words "jackass" and "horseshit" are not banned.
The infractions, apparently, were for "attempting to circumvent the autocensor", even though these words are not censored, nor are they banned, nor are they infractable.
So, if I posted "Hey, that sure is a cla$$y opinion you're posting, there", presumable I would receive an infraction for that.
Never mind that the word "classy" is not against the rules in the first place.
Replacing letters with symbols is infractable, even if the word one is spelling is not.

It's irrelevant that these other members claim they "don't mind" being infracted for idiotic reasons, that they think it's "funny", etc.
Infractions that nobody cares about and that people merely find amusing are obviously not serving the purpose they are intended to serve.
The mods presumably do not infract us to amuse us. They are not trying to be humorous, presumably.
When the system has become so inefficacious that it elicits one of two responses- amusement or baffled irritation (as in the case of Dana)- perhaps it's time to look at reforming it.

The moderation team seems composed primarily of intelligent individuals.
I'm not understanding why nonsensical rules are senselessly enforced... and posters who mention it are mocked and belittled.
Those of us who mention it are the ones who actually care, who actually take it seriously. Those who don't mention it are amused by both the rules and the enforcement of them, and admittedly "don't care enough to bother" to protest them, let alone remember or follow them.
If you want to be snarky to anyone, be snarky to them; not to those who express serious and legitimate concerns.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but a smug, dismissive attitude toward Dana (who I don't like, by the way, and whom I will not miss) does nothing to increase my respect for any of the moderators who have displayed such an attitude.
His concerns are legitimate; other members have spoken up to tell you that they are shared. They are not his concerns alone.
When a person is ill-treated, sometimes they don't think about how to politely follow protocol to resolve the mistake the authorities made in dealing with them. Sometimes, they are bewildered and pissed off.
To continue infracting someone to the point of banning, when you've made a mistake, because you don't like the tone of voice they're using to tell you you've made a mistake, is an abuse of power and authority.

I've been on the receiving end of such an abuse of authority, and can tell you from experience that it does not compel compliance or obedience; it only undermines respect and breeds subversion.

Perhaps the moderators need to decide whether they are our buddies and fellow forum members, or whether they are blindly authoritarian autocrats, petty dictators and banana-republic tyrants.
Because in their attempt to fill both roles, they begin to seem a little schizophrenic and surreal. I begin to think they're not people anymore, but just some bizarre inhuman sort of robots, and make terribly inappropriate comments to them. I sure wish they wouldn't force me to do that. If they acted like the nice, reasonable people they are all of the time, instead of just part of the time, then I wouldn't get confused and make such nasty comments about them.

Just my tuppence.

 

[tecoyah]

It would be truly bad indeed, if Dana leaves over this, as there is no doubt in my mind the comments that instigated this entire mess were not in any way directed at a member. This simply means a Mod was wrong (from experience I know it can happen...no....really), and neglected the apology and reversal so obviously due. I don't care if this was due to pride...timing...or whatever, nor do I see it as too late to do so now.

One can only hope Dana is as forgiving.

 

[missypea]

And then I come in here, and although dana's beef seems to be with galen, I have to hear about how terrible you guys think we are? About how "gestapo" like the moderation team is?

WI,
I think it's possible that you're reading the intent wrong. It's not personal and I truly don't think that the general consensus is that the mods are gestapo.

I think people make mistakes and this one snowballed. Galen made a mistake with the infraction, which snowballed when he didn't seek advise or reverse the infraction himself, which snowballed when he received another PM and didn't seek advise or reverse it again.........And then Zyphlin came in about how wrong Dana was....which really just created more of an us/them situation.

Hell, I could add some meat and potatoes to make this a true bitchfest about how I didn't deserve the one infraction.......nah

I agree with Aps that people in power must be careful about how they use it. I agree with John (I think posted it) that the power someone has over any individual should seldom be used.

Each mod made the decision to walk that tightrope when they became a mod. It's the burden you (collective) decided to pick up. If it's too restrictive or overbearing, maybe it's time to let it go.

Personally, I would have like to have seen a mod come in and post something like:

I've sent Dana a PM and the mods are looking into this. We make every attempt to be both fair and just, however sometimes posts can be mis-read by a moderator. We're investigating now to see if this was one of those times. The mods appreciate the concern that the members may be feeling over Dana's post and I assure you that we don't want any members to be given an infraction that is not earned.

 

[MC.no.spin]

WI,
Personally, I would have like to have seen a mod come in and post something like:

I've sent Dana a PM and the mods are looking into this. We make every attempt to be both fair and just, however sometimes posts can be mis-read by a moderator. We're investigating now to see if this was one of those times. The mods appreciate the concern that the members may be feeling over Dana's post and I assure you that we don't want any members to be given an infraction that is not earned.

Dana failed to address Galen with any respect in his protest of the infraction. If you want courtesy from the mods, perhaps when addressing them one should show some respect as well.

 

[tecoyah]

I've sent Dana a PM and the mods are looking into this. We make every attempt to be both fair and just, however sometimes posts can be mis-read by a moderator. We're investigating now to see if this was one of those times. The mods appreciate the concern that the members may be feeling over Dana's post and I assure you that we don't want any members to be given an infraction that is not earned.

....where's that damn thanks button when you need it!

 

[talloulou]

Eh, this really that big of a deal?

Galen's one of my favorites but Dana's post really was ok, in my mind. It's really a stretch to insinuate he was calling someone a moron from that. I always thought generalized insults were fine but personal direct ones are the ones that'll get you in trouble, no? Clearly Dana's insult was generalized and didn't appear to be an insult that targeted another poster.

This is one of those things like corpse sex and elephant bow hunting, where I'd disagree with Galen. But in general Galen does a freaking great job so I don't see why this should be a huge all hell break loose fiasco.

Dana needs to calm down a bit. Though I do understand that infractions are being handed out left and right lately mostly due to the bypassing censor thingy so everyone's a little annoyed.

Everyone needs to chill out. I mean really, who gives a horseshit? :mrgreen:

 

[missypea]

Dana failed to address Galen with any respect in his protest of the infraction. If you want courtesy from the mods, perhaps when addressing them one should show some respect as well.

Dana is not a mod and doesn't carry the burden that a mod carries.

Do you think that could be because he just got slapped for something he didn't do? Dana was reacting to someone who just "slapped" him. At least by reading Dana's post that's how I assume he felt.

Giving courtesy when you've just been gigged....undeservedly is tough. I know, I did it and it got me NOWHERE.....maybe next time (don't let there be a next time), I'll come out with my six shooter in my reply.

 

[MC.no.spin]

Dana is not a mod and doesn't carry the burden that a mod carries.

Do you think that could be because he just got slapped for something he didn't do? Dana was reacting to someone who just "slapped" him. At least by reading Dana's post that's how I assume he felt.

Giving courtesy when you've just been gigged....undeservedly is tough. I know, I did it and it got me NOWHERE.....maybe next time (don't let there be a next time), I'll come out with my six shooter in my reply.

I am no stranger to infractions. When I feel there is an error, I have courteously PMed the mod in question and never been disappointed with the results, whether they sided with me, or not. This value of courtesy has a strong paralell in the real world. Dana should learn this lesson.

 

[missypea]

I am no stranger to infractions. When I feel there is an error, I have courteously PMed the mod in question and never been disappointed with the results, whether they sided with me, or not. This value of courtesy has a strong paralell in the real world. Dana should learn this lesson.

:rofl

You must be kidding. Dana is one of this forum's most benign members.

I can't believe that you are giving a lecture on the importance of courtesy....to DANA.


Am I still on DP or was I transfered to a parallel universe???

 

[WI Crippler]

WI,
I think it's possible that you're reading the intent wrong. It's not personal and I truly don't think that the general consensus is that the mods are gestapo.

I think people make mistakes and this one snowballed. Galen made a mistake with the infraction, which snowballed when he didn't seek advise or reverse the infraction himself, which snowballed when he received another PM and didn't seek advise or reverse it again.........And then Zyphlin came in about how wrong Dana was....which really just created more of an us/them situation.

Hell, I could add some meat and potatoes to make this a true bitchfest about how I didn't deserve the one infraction.......nah

I agree with Aps that people in power must be careful about how they use it. I agree with John (I think posted it) that the power someone has over any individual should seldom be used.

Each mod made the decision to walk that tightrope when they became a mod. It's the burden you (collective) decided to pick up. If it's too restrictive or overbearing, maybe it's time to let it go.

Personally, I would have like to have seen a mod come in and post something like:

I've sent Dana a PM and the mods are looking into this. We make every attempt to be both fair and just, however sometimes posts can be mis-read by a moderator. We're investigating now to see if this was one of those times. The mods appreciate the concern that the members may be feeling over Dana's post and I assure you that we don't want any members to be given an infraction that is not earned.

Well one thing people here are failing to see, is that the moderation team and forum rules are really reactionary. The word censor wasn't put into place for no reason. It was a reaction to the incivility that was cause by the useage of those words(of which I was certainley as guilty as anyone). The word bypass rule wasn't just put into effect because the mod team wanted to wrest freedom from the hands of the forum(something I was also guilty of). The rules about proxy posting, and other rules have all been reactionary measures to try and maintain a sense of civility while debating upstairs. They aren't just made up out of thin air, but become necessary due to situations put into play by forum members. We don't, as a moderation team, go through the entire forum with a fine tooth comb, looking to infract anybody. Sometimes we stumble upon an infractable offense, other times its reported to us by another forum member. So what one might perceive as the mod team chasing them around the forum, looking to infract them, it usually is not the case, but rather a case of your post simply being reported by another user or a mod stumbling onto the post just by participating in the forum. And without going through every single post, we are going to miss some things. We are going to miss word censor bypasses, we are going to miss somebody calling someone else a moron, from time to time. We may even miss flaming or baiting posts, simply because a mod has not seen it, or nobody has reported it. So what some of you may feel is unbalanced moderation, it simply is not the case. I find that the more partisan or extreme a poster is(and also the more well known a member is due to either longevity or intelligence), the more attention they draw onto themselves not by the moderation team per sey, but by other forum members as well. So if one likes to stir the pot on a regular occassion, they can only expect that they draw the ire of other posters, who will be more likely to report their posts, which may invariably lead to more mod action which then creates the perception again, of unbalanced moderation since you do not know who, if anybody, reported you. And this attitude is shared across the political spectrum. Like I said, almost all moderation here is reactionary to what you guys post, and what you report to us.

If there is a post you feel warrants an infraction, go ahead and report it. Because we do not share who reports threads, your concern is respected and kept private. Its obviously important that there be this confidentiality between an offended party and the mod team, so as to not draw unecessary battle lines between forum members(there's already enough as is )

 

[MC.no.spin]

:rofl

You must be kidding. Dana is one of this forum's most benign members.

I can't believe that you are giving a lecture on the importance of courtesy....to DANA.


Am I still on DP or was I transfered to a parallel universe???

Just because I don't act like Gandhi (we can't all be donaldsutherlands) to posters like you doesn't mean I re-frame my diplomatic skills for mods when pm'ing them about an infraction.

If you're talking to a cop or judge about a citation, would you respond in this manner?

Danahrea said:
Sorry, but I strongly protest this one. In context, it can be plainly seen that I was calling our politicians in Washington morons. This is BS. If you want to give me another infraction for saying so, then have at it.

This flippant, fuck you attitude is what got him in hot water, more than anything. Mods shouldn't have to take shit from anyone here.

 

[missypea]

Well one thing people here are failing to see, is that the moderation team and forum rules are really reactionary. The word censor wasn't put into place for no reason. It was a reaction to the incivility that was cause by the useage of those words(of which I was certainley as guilty as anyone). The word bypass rule wasn't just put into effect because the mod team wanted to wrest freedom from the hands of the forum(something I was also guilty of). The rules about proxy posting, and other rules have all been reactionary measures to try and maintain a sense of civility while debating upstairs. They aren't just made up out of thin air, but become necessary due to situations put into play by forum members. We don't, as a moderation team, go through the entire forum with a fine tooth comb, looking to infract anybody. Sometimes we stumble upon an infractable offense, other times its reported to us by another forum member. So what one might perceive as the mod team chasing them around the forum, looking to infract them, it usually is not the case, but rather a case of your post simply being reported by another user or a mod stumbling onto the post just by participating in the forum. And without going through every single post, we are going to miss some things. We are going to miss word censor bypasses, we are going to miss somebody calling someone else a moron, from time to time. We may even miss flaming or baiting posts, simply because a mod has not seen it, or nobody has reported it. So what some of you may feel is unbalanced moderation, it simply is not the case. I find that the more partisan or extreme a poster is(and also the more well known a member is due to either longevity or intelligence), the more attention they draw onto themselves not by the moderation team per sey, but by other forum members as well. So if one likes to stir the pot on a regular occassion, they can only expect that they draw the ire of other posters, who will be more likely to report their posts, which may invariably lead to more mod action which then creates the perception again, of unbalanced moderation since you do not know who, if anybody, reported you. And this attitude is shared across the political spectrum. Like I said, almost all moderation here is reactionary to what you guys post, and what you report to us.

If there is a post you feel warrants an infraction, go ahead and report it. Because we do not share who reports threads, your concern is respected and kept private. Its obviously important that there be this confidentiality between an offended party and the mod team, so as to not draw unecessary battle lines between forum members(there's already enough as is )

WI--You completely lost me, Sweetie. How did this turn into reporting posts?

**Posting Etiquette Alert**

You're killing me with long post....throw in a couple of paragraphs next time........Pretty please.

 

[1069]

The moderator response in my thread ("Shite"), including dismissive comments about forum members having their panties in a bunch and suggestions that members are only interested in "whining and bitching to hear themselves whine and bitch", as well as the opinion that my initial attempts to address the issue were undoubtedly "sarcastic/bitchy/catty", which is probably why they were met with ridicule, scorn, mockery, and further infractions.

You see, when you meet legitimate grievances with this sort of supercilious and disdainful response, it doesn't make us want to be cooperative.
It makes a mockery out of "Civility a Must!"

This forum is based upon cooperation amongst a group of people who like to discuss politics and social issues on the internet, often heatedly.
You have no real power over us.
If you treat us too shabbily and unreasonably, we can all just leave and join another political forum, or start a new one.
Your actual duty is to serve the community, which is comprised of... us. All of us, including yourselves.
If you're doing a disservice to the forum through your treatment of other members, then perhaps (as has already been suggested) the burden has become too much and it's time to step down and let somebody else take over for awhile.

 

[missypea]

Just because I don't act like Gandhi (we can't all be donaldsutherlands) to posters like you doesn't mean I re-frame my diplomatic skills for mods when pm'ing them about an infraction.

If you're talking to a cop or judge about a citation, would you respond in this manner?



This flippant, fuck you attitude is what got him in hot water, more than anything. Mods shouldn't have to take shit from anyone here.

If they had your attitude there wouldn't be any members on DP for them to moderate :mrgreen:

 

[WI Crippler]

WI--You completely lost me, Sweetie. How did this turn into reporting posts?

**Posting Etiquette Alert**

You're killing me with long post....throw in a couple of paragraphs next time........Pretty please.

I've been apprenticing under GySgt on how to beat people over the head with super long posts. I am far from incomplete in my training though, as I have yet to compose a thought so long that it takes more than one post, and I of course failed to make some kind of slight towards France.

I guess I was still trying to address the issues people have been posting in regards to how the moderation team operates. Prehaps I should not have quoted your post, since it wasn't intended to be a direct reply to yours. I just want to make clear how the system operates here, since we do have forum members who are involved in this discussion that are new to discussion how we moderate this board. My apologies.

(I kept it to a couple of paragraphs, but now I have to do 50 pushups.)

 

[missypea]

The moderator response in my thread ("Shite"), including dismissive comments about forum members having their panties in a bunch and suggestions that members are only interested in "whining and bitching to hear themselves whine and bitch", as well as the opinion that my initial attempts to address the issue were undoubtedly "sarcastic/bitchy/catty", which is probably why they were met with ridicule, scorn, mockery, and further infractions.

YIKES!....Not good. I do remember reading that and shaking my head. Here's what I do at work.

I'm very open with my peers on the management team. We're sounding boards for each other and I speak to them differently than I speak to the staff. I would never speak that way to a person I had any power over.....just wouldn't do it. It goes against everything I am.

I view mods as the management team of DP. If they can't restrain themselves and portray their opinions w/o being demeaning to a poster then they either shouldn't be mods or shouldn't post.

That's my .02 cents.

 

[jfuh]

Everyone needs to chill out. I mean really, who gives a horseshit? :mrgreen:

Perhaps you don't really care two bits, I and others do care. I like dan and he's by far one of the greatest contributers to this site.

 

[1069]

Mods shouldn't have to take **** from anyone here.

No more or less so than any forum member should have to take shit from anyone, including mods.
We're all adults and equals here; well, actually, we're not, but society- even this forum, which is a society in microcosm- doesn't work unless everyone pretends to be equals, and then never, never mentions that it's merely a pretense.
Dana, for instance, is old enough to be Galen's grandfather.
I can't think of one good reason why he should have to take one iota of shit of some hotheaded young upstart, let alone "show respect" while requesting that Galen reverse infractions he gave Dana in error.
Yet, that's how it goes; we're all equals.
Age, intelligence, life experience, social status... none of these things should matter. Everyone is - must be- treated as equals, whether or not they deserve it.
And on the internet, it is admittedly easier to overlook these differences, these blatant inequalities; after all, we can't see each other. We might all be lying about everything, for all any of us truly know. We might all be high school students piddling around with computers in our parents' basements.

I'm digressing; sorry.
My point is, moderators: don't expect to recieve better than you give.
We are all equals here, and equally important to this community, in my eyes.
Nobody spits in my face and gets treated "respectfully".
Apparently, I'm not the only one who feels that way.
Although admittedly, I hold my grudges longer than most.

 

[missypea]

I've been apprenticing under GySgt on how to beat people over the head with super long posts. I am far from incomplete in my training though, as I have yet to compose a thought so long that it takes more than one post, and I of course failed to make some kind of slight towards France.

:rofl....:rofl

I guess I was still trying to address the issues people have been posting in regards to how the moderation team operates. Prehaps I should not have quoted your post, since it wasn't intended to be a direct reply to yours. I just want to make clear how the system operates here, since we do have forum members who are involved in this discussion that are new to discussion how we moderate this board. My apologies.

(I kept it to a couple of paragraphs, but now I have to do 50 pushups.)

If you post a picture of your bicep when you're done....then hop to it. Otherwise grab a beer and kick back. I won't tell GySgt

 

[WI Crippler]

The moderator response in my thread ("Shite"), including dismissive comments about forum members having their panties in a bunch and suggestions that members are only interested in "whining and bitching to hear themselves whine and bitch", as well as the opinion that my initial attempts to address the issue were undoubtedly "sarcastic/bitchy/catty", which is probably why they were met with ridicule, scorn, mockery, and further infractions.

You see, when you meet legitimate grievances with this sort of supercilious and disdainful response, it doesn't make us want to be cooperative.
It makes a mockery out of "Civility a Must!"

This forum is based upon cooperation amongst a group of people who like to discuss politics and social issues on the internet, often heatedly.
You have no real power over us.
If you treat us too shabbily and unreasonably, we can all just leave and join another political forum, or start a new one.
Your actual duty is to serve the community, which is comprised of... us. All of us, including yourselves.
If you're doing a disservice to the forum through your treatment of other members, then perhaps (as has already been suggested) the burden has become too much and it's time to step down and let somebody else take over for awhile.

If you have legitimate concerns about forum issues and want it to be debated civily, post them in the feedback section. Starting a thread in The Basement is hardly a good spot to air a greivance, and expect it to be civily debated. I happen to agree with you about other words that need to be censored, and if I could do it, I would censor them, but that is beyond my power. I'm not going to go any further into the word censor bypass debate since we already have a thread for it, but I would suggest that if you have a legitimate concern about an issue, either PMing a specific mod or posting your concern in the feedback section is the way to go, if we are to keep things civil. This is the LAST place.

 

[jfuh]

This flippant, fuck you attitude is what got him in hot water, more than anything. Mods shouldn't have to take shit from anyone here.

Is that how Dan responded in the initial pm? Is his attitude what got him into hot water from his initial post?
No to both.
As someone has already said before calling the judge a jerk doesn't mean you are guilty.




I think that was IT.

 

[talloulou]

Perhaps you don't really care two bits, I and others do care. I like dan and he's by far one of the greatest contributers to this site.

I like dan too. Which is why he should chill out and stay and not go all postal over this Galen thing. I realize there's lots of grievances being aired all over the place about mods currently but I don't think Galen is one people tend to have problems with, repeatedly. This was just this one incidence. Galen made a mistake. Least, in my mind, he did. But it's not like Galen is some out of control mod that is driving everyone crazy. People are just taking their annoyance with the censor thing and piling it on top of this particular incident to make a mountain out of a molehill and it's unnecessary. Really.