Watchdog group: Dozens of active-duty troops found on neo-Nazi site

[Coronado]

Watchdog group: Dozens of active-duty troops found on neo-Nazi site

By Kevin Baron, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Friday, July 10, 2009

WASHINGTON — It is Facebook for the fascist set, and the typical online profiles of its members reveal expected tastes.

Favorite book: “Mein Kampf.”

Favorite movie: the Nazi propaganda film “Triumph of the Will.”

Interests: “white women.”

Dislikes: “anyone who opposes the master race.”

But there’s one other thing that dozens of members of newsaxon.org, a white supremacist social networking website, have in common: They proudly identify themselves as active-duty members of the U.S. armed forces.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, the Montgomery, Ala.-based watchdog group that tracks extremist hate groups, has compiled a book containing the online user profiles of at least 40 newsaxon.org users who say they are serving in the military, in apparent violation of Pentagon regulations prohibiting racist extremism in the ranks.

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Interesting. Not real smart to go post publicly about being a white supremacist.

 

[Redress]

40 users? Out of how many in the service? I gotta think this is a nonissue.

 

[Metternich]

40 users? Out of how many in the service? I gotta think this is a nonissue.

No, you don't understand!

There is clearly a deep neo-fascist movement within the army. This must mean that the army must clearly watched and additionally placed under the power of the Executive!

First it's a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and then its throwing people in ovens. Trust the media on this one.

 

[Apocalypse]

I find it to be a very serious issue actually.

With that kind of force, one could conquer all of Canada.

 

[jamesrage]

Interesting. Not real smart to go post publicly about being a white supremacist.

I guess all anti-war groups must be like code pink,all liberals/leftist must be like Ward Churchill, all democrats must still be the party of the KKK since Robert Sheets Byrd is a democrat, all republicans must be sellouts who toss the salad of illegals like John McCain, and all republicans must be sell out rat traitor globalist scum because of the few who signed onto the WTO.

 

[Redress]

No, you don't understand!

There is clearly a deep neo-fascist movement within the army. This must mean that the army must clearly watched and additionally placed under the power of the Executive!

First it's a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and then its throwing people in ovens. Trust the media on this one.

Please tell me that this is sarcasm.

 

[Coronado]

I guess all anti-war groups must be like code pink,all liberals/leftist must be like Ward Churchill, all democrats must still be the party of the KKK since Robert Sheets Byrd is a democrat, all republicans must be sellouts who toss the salad of illegals like John McCain, and all republicans must be sell out rat traitor globalist scum because of the few who signed onto the WTO.

What are you talking about?

 

[Caine]

What are you talking about?

Judging the military based off of a couple of individuals being a part of what some lunatic watchdog group calls a racist organization.


Ive checked out that website, they are looney in what they find to be a racist hate organization.


This is also another one of those things were people expect their soldiers to be robots instead of people.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Judging the military based off of a couple of individuals being a part of what some lunatic watchdog group calls a racist organization.

I didn't see anything I'd consider a judgment of the military. I see an article pointing out a problem that exists in the military and that needs to be addressed by the military for the good of the military. If there are forty people publicly identifying themselves, there are hundreds that are less stupid about it-- and depending on how widespread they are, they're in a position to influence many more. Such influence would be detrimental to morale and unit cohesion.

Those forty need to be tracked and an example made.

Ive checked out that website, they are looney in what they find to be a racist hate organization.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, or New Saxon? I'll agree that the SPLC is damned indiscriminate in their labeling-- having had more than one taste of their broad brush myself-- but even a brief perusal of the NewSaxon.org front page is enough to confirm that it's a Neo Nazi networking site.

 

[Caine]

I didn't see anything I'd consider a judgment of the military. I see an article pointing out a problem that exists in the military and that needs to be addressed by the military for the good of the military. If there are forty people publicly identifying themselves, there are hundreds that are less stupid about it-- and depending on how widespread they are, they're in a position to influence many more. Such influence would be detrimental to morale and unit cohesion.

Those forty need to be tracked and an example made.



The Southern Poverty Law Center, or New Saxon? I'll agree that the SPLC is damned indiscriminate in their labeling-- having had more than one taste of their broad brush myself-- but even a brief perusal of the NewSaxon.org front page is enough to confirm that it's a Neo Nazi networking site.

I was talking more about the SPLC.

Have you checked out their stuff? Its ridiculous what they call a hate organization.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Like my entire religion? Yes, it is ridiculous.

 

[jamesrage]

What are you talking about?

Is this article you posted an attempt to paint the whole entire military as a racist organization? I seen liberals before trying to do this before

http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/12129-more-neo-nazis-infiltrating-us-military.html

 

[justabubba]

while i might not subscribe to their beliefs, why should we care what their personal political views are
they are entitled to the same liberties as the rest of us ... and since they are fighting to preserve them that seems like a good thing

who among us gets to be the arbiter to determine just which are the "correct" views that our soldiers must personally embrace

 

[Apocalypse]

while i might not subscribe to their beliefs, why should we care what their personal political views are
they are entitled to the same liberties as the rest of us ... and since they are fighting to preserve them that seems like a good thing

who among us gets to be the arbiter to determine just which are the "correct" views that our soldiers must personally embrace

Mankind follows a moral code.
Opinions are fine as long as they do not go against this moral code, then they're just immoral.

 

[justabubba]

Mankind follows a moral code.
Opinions are fine as long as they do not go against this moral code, then they're just immoral.

ok, so you are the supreme arbiter who defines what the soldiers must believe

 

[Apocalypse]

ok, so you are the supreme arbiter who defines what the soldiers must believe

Yes, I am the moral code, bow before my might.

 

[SgtRock]

40 users? Out of how many in the service? I gotta think this is a nonissue.

I agree redress 40 out of 1,083,027 if Im not mistaken thats .000037% of active duty service members. Give me a freakin break.

 

[Coronado]

Judging the military based off of a couple of individuals being a part of what some lunatic watchdog group calls a racist organization.

Is this article you posted an attempt to paint the whole entire military as a racist organization? I seen liberals before trying to do this before

I'm not judging the entire military based upon this. If I'd have said, "gee, looks like the whole military is nothing but a bunch of Nazi thugs," you would have a legitimate complaint.

The issue is that there is apparently recruitment by neo-Nazi groups in the military, and they have evidently been responsible for certain racially-motivated murders. Even if it is just a handful of soldiers involved, it still needs to be exposed to the public and rooted out.

This is also another one of those things were people expect their soldiers to be robots instead of people.

Nobody is expecting them to be "robots." People are expecting them to abide by the UCMJ, which expressly forbids associating with racist groups in the manner as they have done here.

 

[Coronado]

I agree redress 40 out of 1,083,027 if Im not mistaken thats .000037% of active duty service members. Give me a freakin break.

From the article:

In 2006, the SPLC released a report asserting that “thousands” of active-duty troops like clarkpatrick88 could have hate group affiliations. The law center said that some military officers conceded that recruitment and retention pressures forced them to look the other way when presented with overwhelming evidence of hate group membership.

Later, the FBI said it suspected hundreds of servicemembers had been recruited into extremist groups.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Is this article you posted an attempt to paint the whole entire military as a racist organization? I seen liberals before trying to do this before

http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/12129-more-neo-nazis-infiltrating-us-military.html

I know about that kind of thing all to well. I have a rather extensive DVD collection (over 1,000), and the top-left shelf is filled of movies I consider to be classics. And people always wonder at me when they see 2 of the movies I love are "Birth Of A Nation" and "Battleship Potempkin".

Oh, and "Triumph Of The Will" will be there if I can ever find a copy I like.

I enjoy both of these movies. Does that make me a Klansman wanabe? Or a potential Communist? No, it just makes me a cinema fan. I also own one of the most controversial Charlie Chaplin movies, "The Great Dictator".

The military, just like any other organization has people from all walks of life. From borderline Communists to borderline Fascists. We even have a fair number of Pacifists. Wiccans, Pagans, Athiests, Muslims, and Roman Catholics.

But come on, 40 out of over 1 million currently serving? In reality, that is probably so far below the national average for people accepting the message of "Hate Groups" that it is not even worth mentioning.

 

[celticlord]

Mankind follows a moral code.
Opinions are fine as long as they do not go against this moral code, then they're just immoral.

Mankind follows several moral codes.

I am not troubled by the political inclinations of soldiers, so long as they hew to their oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

The soldier who is true to the oath poses no threat to any in this country.

 

[American]

I find it to be a very serious issue actually.

With that kind of force, one could conquer all of Canada.

They have less than 40 soldiers in the Canadian military?

 

[celticlord]

They have less than 40 soldiers in the Canadian military?

Ah, he's just talkin' smack. Hell, have you seen the way Canucks play hockey? Would take more than 40 soldiers to puck with them.:mrgreen:

(40 Marines, however....:mrgreen::mrgreen