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was Khabib Nurmagomedov being hateful and mean (not shaking female announcers hand)

was Khabib Nurmagomedov being hateful and mean (not shaking female announcers hand)

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Callen said:
It is a religious belief that is entrenched in his faith. For him to observe that custom is not rude. One can argue it's antiquated etc but it isn't rude or hateful.
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I disagree.
 

was Khabib Nurmagomedov being hateful and mean (not shaking female announcers hand)​

In my opinion not shaking another persons hand is up to the individual and should not be seen as "hateful and mean" if one decides to not shake, for whatever the personal reason.
 
JMR said:
Understood...me too.

Taking this further, assuming the teacher in this school is supplied with the preferred pronouns of all the students, how would the teacher determine which pronouns they honor and which they don't? Is it always obvious? Does that matter?
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I have a child that has preferred pronouns. They/them.

A significant portion of their friends either use the opposite pronouns of their birth sex or they/them as well.

I screw up all the time remembering for any of them what I'm supposed to do. It is the most confusing thing for me. Part of that is that I'm old and I've learned to use language a certain way for decades and it's a very difficult and fundamental change.

I can't tell you how many times I've been hearing a story and the pronoun is "they". And then the story stops making sense because it wouldn't be something that a group of people would do, which is what I assumed from the beginning based on the use of a word that I've used all my life a certain way, and then it hits me. Oh, we're talking about that other person.

Not only that, but I have it happen the other way around where that same pronoun is in use and I'm assuming it's an individual and then I find out that we're talking about a group.

If I were the teacher, it would be a nightmare for me. I can't even remember my own details half the time. I'm kind of a space cadet. Like I said, I would probably try to honor people's wishes, but I would get it wrong a lot. I'd do with my own kid who, by the way, is an adult now. And not as concerned about this as they were originally.

As an aside, this is another reason why sometimes when I'm talking to people here, I get pissed when I'm called a bigot or a racist or someone that hates trans people or women or whatever...

And I've had many conversations with my child about my positions, just like the ones that we're having here. And my kid is okay with the fact that their dad tries to be respectful, even though he disagrees with a lot of what's going on.
 
At least the d.p. illiberal leftists are being consistent, here.

They show their hatred of women by forcing them to compete against men in sports and they show it by supporting the Islamist misogynist who considers them unclean.
 
In the case of Islam its not meant as an insult to women...its a sign of respect and recognition of the separation of men and women not wed.

I mean...if you are a woman, there are LOTS of things regarding fundamentalist Islam for you to disagree with...but this is not one of them. As for taking offense...well...I mean...that's on the individual perpetually offended.
 
I was invited to a naturalization ceremony some years back.
Those who announced the names of the proud new citizens were such heroes. They were spot on pronouncing everyone's name correctly. How do I know? I asked.
But I digress.
While Muslim men did not shake hands with women, they were courteous and in the spirit. It is all good.
 
stealthycat said:
I agree that if something isn't acceptable to you - in this case religion drives Khabib to not shake a woman's hand, he shouldn't have to

I also agree if someone doesn't want to call Kaitlyn Jenner a woman, they have the same right to not do that based on how they feel. Its not hateful, its not mean
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This is about trans people but you chose to use Muslim faith to cover up the real phobia.
Yes?
 
Lovebug said:
This is about trans people but you chose to use Muslim faith to cover up the real phobia.
Yes?
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I see a correlation

Using religion to disrespect Scott on national tv is ok - right ?
Using religion to not bake a cake or marry a gay couple or use pronouns someone demands is NOT ok - right ?
 
He was being a Muslim. Islam is a misogynistic religion that views women and sub-human.

Funny that Islam is the only religion democrats defend.
 
Mr Person said:
Now that's a convoluted way to get into a position from which to rag on muslims.
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Islam is the only religion leftists defend.

Islam is the religion that throws gay people off roofs to their deaths and treats women as slaves.

Coincidence? Not at all.
 
stealthycat said:
I see a correlation

Using religion to disrespect Scott on national tv is ok - right ?
Using religion to not bake a cake or marry a gay couple or use pronouns someone demands is NOT ok - right ?
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Yes, but Islam is GOOD, because it sees America as the Great Satan. It's not that democrats actually love Islam - it's the "enemy or their enemy" thing. Once 9-11 went down, democrats were all in for Islam.
 
Callen said:
I have no problem whatsoever with that and I don't think most liberals do.....the florist who has a personal bias against gay marriages is different
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Should a Halal store be required by law to sell me a pork roast?

Why or why not?
 
cAPSLOCK said:
I have a child that has preferred pronouns. They/them.

A significant portion of their friends either use the opposite pronouns of their birth sex or they/them as well.

I screw up all the time remembering for any of them what I'm supposed to do. It is the most confusing thing for me. Part of that is that I'm old and I've learned to use language a certain way for decades and it's a very difficult and fundamental change.

I can't tell you how many times I've been hearing a story and the pronoun is "they". And then the story stops making sense because it wouldn't be something that a group of people would do, which is what I assumed from the beginning based on the use of a word that I've used all my life a certain way, and then it hits me. Oh, we're talking about that other person.

Not only that, but I have it happen the other way around where that same pronoun is in use and I'm assuming it's an individual and then I find out that we're talking about a group.

If I were the teacher, it would be a nightmare for me. I can't even remember my own details half the time. I'm kind of a space cadet. Like I said, I would probably try to honor people's wishes, but I would get it wrong a lot. I'd do with my own kid who, by the way, is an adult now. And not as concerned about this as they were originally.

As an aside, this is another reason why sometimes when I'm talking to people here, I get pissed when I'm called a bigot or a racist or someone that hates trans people or women or whatever...

And I've had many conversations with my child about my positions, just like the ones that we're having here. And my kid is okay with the fact that their dad tries to be respectful, even though he disagrees with a lot of what's going on.
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You touched on something that always baffled me. They/them are third person plurals, always been. It baffles me how it's suddenly supposed to mean a third person singular
 
Who is Khabib Nurmagomedov? And why should I care?
 
VanceMack said:
In the case of Islam its not meant as an insult to women...its a sign of respect and recognition of the separation of men and women not wed.
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A Jim Crow law is a Jim Crow law. It stinks even if it is disguised in "holy" scriptures. Not shaking hands with women, suffocating them in burqas, stoning them for adultery are screaming evidence of the degradation of women, not respect.

Separate but equal was in the end ditched because it was never motivated by a true motivation to make equal



VanceMack said:
I mean...if you are a woman, there are LOTS of things regarding fundamentalist Islam for you to disagree with...but this is not one of them. As for taking offense...well...I mean...that's on the individual perpetually offended.
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Women come first. Religions second. Women are real, not so sure about religions. Only mine is real:)
 
Lovebug said:
While Muslim men did not shake hands with women, they were courteous and in the spirit. It is all good.
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Kudos to the Homo Islamicus man. Blessed are those who never shook hands with women; they shall be rewarded with 72 virgins in paradise
 
LouC said:
Even funnier is what total bogus partisan bias BS that comment is. 🤗
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In what way?

democrats always defend Islam, and always attack Christians - and now Jews as well.
 
Juin said:
A Jim Crow law is a Jim Crow law. It stinks even if it is disguised in "holy" scriptures. Not shaking hands with women, suffocating them in burqas, stoning them for adultery are screaming evidence of the degradation of women, not respect.

Separate but equal was in the end ditched because it was never motivated by a true motivation to make equal







Women come first. Religions second. Women are real, not so sure about religions. Only mine is real:)
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I applaud your opinion. I spent many years in the middle east and spent a significant amount of time with senior leaders in Kuwait and UAE. I understand their perspective and there is a radical difference between Islam and fundamentalist Islam. Understanding that difference isnt the same thing as agreeing with either perspective. And people are free to feel insulted or butt hurt if a practitioner of their faith chooses to not shake hands.
 
VanceMack said:
I applaud your opinion. I spent many years in the middle east and spent a significant amount of time with senior leaders in Kuwait and UAE. I understand their perspective and there is a radical difference between Islam and fundamentalist Islam. Understanding that difference isnt the same thing as agreeing with either perspective. And people are free to feel insulted or butt hurt if a practitioner of their faith chooses to not shake hands.
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Sure... cover for the bad behavior of a male.
 
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