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was Khabib Nurmagomedov being hateful and mean (not shaking female announcers hand)

was Khabib Nurmagomedov being hateful and mean (not shaking female announcers hand)

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VanceMack said:
I applaud your opinion. I spent many years in the middle east and spent a significant amount of time with senior leaders in Kuwait and UAE. I understand their perspective and there is a radical difference between Islam and fundamentalist Islam. Understanding that difference isnt the same thing as agreeing with either perspective. And people are free to feel insulted or butt hurt if a practitioner of their faith chooses to not shake hands.
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I also applaud your perspective. The rights, dignity and equality of women is not a gift from men to women. A Kuwaiti Sheikh gets no kudos for treating women better than Taliban, Boko Haram, Wahabis, ISIS.

The least that a Kuwaiti Sheikh can do is shake the hands of women, apologize to them for any action of his, real or implied, that females are anything but the equal of men, if not superior. And while the Sheikh is at it he should also denounce polygamy in clear unambiguous terms.

The burden of the difference between Kuwaiti Islam and Taliban Islam is on the Kuwaiti Sheikh. Its not for infidels to assume the burden of making a distinction between different flavours of Islam the good Sheikh is not prepared to publicly make in Kuwait.

Usually its more the case that the Sheikhs have to speak differently to a western audience and differently to a Kuwaiti audience. Not blaming the Sheikh. They are in a tough spot. They kind of agree with modern status of women but are also keenly aware of the Mullahs armed with scimitars running the Mosque
 
Juin said:
You touched on something that always baffled me. They/them are third person plurals, always been. It baffles me how it's suddenly supposed to mean a third person singular
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I think it's much easier for the still plastic brains of the very young.
 
Juin said:
I also applaud your perspective. The rights, dignity and equality of women is not a gift from men to women. A Kuwaiti Sheikh gets no kudos for treating women better than Taliban, Boko Haram, Wahabis, ISIS.

The least that a Kuwaiti Sheikh can do is shake the hands of women, apologize to them for any action of his, real or implied, that females are anything but the equal of men, if not superior. And while the Sheikh is at it he should also denounce polygamy in clear unambiguous terms.

The burden of the difference between Kuwaiti Islam and Taliban Islam is on the Kuwaiti Sheikh. Its not for infidels to assume the burden of making a distinction between different flavours of Islam the good Sheikh is not prepared to publicly make in Kuwait.

Usually its more the case that the Sheikhs have to speak differently to a western audience and differently to a Kuwaiti audience. Not blaming the Sheikh. They are in a tough spot. They kind of agree with modern status of women but are also keenly aware of the Mullahs armed with scimitars running the Mosque
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You labor under the delusion that your culture has some sort of bearing on theirs. It doesnt. Meanwhile...people are mindlessly encouraging the mass immigration of that culture into countries across the planet, so those issues you are talking about? Well...they are likely coming to a city near you.
 
stealthycat said:
Muslim God / Muhammed or Christian God ?

two very different teachings, right ?
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Two very different teachings but I'm a Buddhist. Buddhism very infamously has had issues with sexism. Like for example the Buddha had to be convinced to allow nunneries. To say nothing of the fact that he basically abandoned his wife and son for years on end.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
In what way?
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In the truthful way, of course.
Uncensored2008 said:
[SOME FEW] democrats [MIGHT] always defend Islam, and [SOME FEW MIGHT] always attack Christians - and now Jews as well. <Edited for honest clarification!>
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To blanket accuse all of us Democrats of doing that is pure Partisan BS and not in the least bit honest.
 
LouC said:
In the truthful way, of course.

To blanket accuse all of us Democrats of doing that is pure Partisan BS and not in the least bit honest.
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Changing back quotes not only violates forum rules, it's dishonest.

But the issue is that the party - regardless of outliers - support Hamas and is generally antisemitic. There are, insanely enough, still some Jews who support the democrats - not for long - but at this moment. Those few may not promote Hamas (but J street does.) It doesn't change the fact that over all the democrat party is antisemitic and supports the destruction of the Jewish homeland.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
I am not an expert on Muslim culture.
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nor am I - so when people who've been there/lived there (like my brother who served 4 years and lived in the Hindu Kush range) talk about muslims and how they treat women and then the radical ones and how they view everything .... I try and listen
 
stealthycat said:
nor am I - so when people who've been there/lived there (like my brother who served 4 years and lived in the Hindu Kush range) talk about muslims and how they treat women and then the radical ones and how they view everything .... I try and listen
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The Hindu don't treat women so hot either.
 
I voted no in that, in his mind, he did not see it as hateful or mean.

However if we adopt the "when in Rome" concept, where women who go to certain Islamic nations are required to wear a head dress, even though they are not Islamic, why does that standard not apply when Islamic people are in non-Islamic nations?
 
stealthycat said:
nor am I - so when people who've been there/lived there (like my brother who served 4 years and lived in the Hindu Kush range) talk about muslims and how they treat women and then the radical ones and how they view everything .... I try and listen
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I suppose that is fair.

The Muslim culture has always been barbaric.
 
stealthycat said:
was Khabib Nurmagomedov being hateful and mean (not shaking female announcers hand)? his religious beliefs says don't shake her hand ... what if his religious beliefs said "don't call a man a woman and don't call women men" ?? Does his religious beliefs trump courtesy ? Was he being hateful or mean ? If a trans man wants me to say "she" can I said " I apologize no, I won't do that" and it be ok ?


Scott even apologized for extending her hand to be shaken


UFC legend Khabib Nurmagomedov raised eyebrows over the weekend when he refused to shake hands with CBS Sports broadcaster Kate Scott during UEFA Champions League coverage.

The former UFC fighter, who is Muslim, shook hands with streamer IShowSpeed, Jamie Carragher, Micah Richards and Thierry Henry. As Scott put her hand out, Nurmagomedov kept his hand at his chest.

"I apologize, thank you so much," Scott said taking her hand away and putting it toward her chest.


It is likely that Nurmagomedov was following his religious beliefs in not shaking hands with Scott. The undefeated UFC fighter is a devout follower of Islam. The religion instructs men not to shake hands with a woman they are not married to.
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Are your religious beliefs rude because you expect people who don't share your religion to act as your religion dictates?

The United States is not yet a Christian theocracy though Christian Nationalists are working overtime to replace democracy. However, it hasn't happened yet.

We have a President who acts as if he was raised by jackals, no manners, no sense of diplomacy, no understanding of protocol, no ethics, no morals. It is a direct reflection on how he was raised, or wasn't. Bad parenting. Almost daily, daily, Donald Trump embarrasses himself and the nation by his rude behavior.

His staff has followed suit. While I have no doubt most of them know better most have decided to act as if they too were never taught good manners and common decency.

We realize that at present it is difficult supporting Donald Trump. Recently being defensive in his behalf requires some work. It is difficult to defend and support a train wreck so bad "no one has ever seen anything like it before." The truth is MAGA is struggling in stoking the hate machine. MAGAs have slim pickings at the present.

Complaining about religious hand shaking protocols is a s-t-r-e-t-c-h. Your MAGA sources are leaving y'all to do the heavy lifting on keeping the hate going. It shows and it isn't working.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
I suppose that is fair.

The Muslim culture has always been barbaric.
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I think most religions have always been ... some just still are today and fighting? they LOVE to war and fight and kill :(
 
Risky Thicket said:
Are your religious beliefs rude because you expect people who don't share your religion to act as your religion dictates?
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could be - that I voted for a candidate people didn't like is enough to really set a lot of people off... imagine my religious views !

Risky Thicket said:
The United States is not yet a Christian theocracy though Christian Nationalists are working overtime to replace democracy. However, it hasn't happened yet.
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we are a majority Christian nation

Risky Thicket said:
We have a President who acts as if he was raised by jackals, no manners, no sense of diplomacy, no understanding of protocol, no ethics, no morals. It is a direct reflection on how he was raised, or wasn't. Bad parenting. Almost daily, daily, Donald Trump embarrasses himself and the nation by his rude behavior.

His staff has followed suit. While I have no doubt most of them know better most have decided to act as if they too were never taught good manners and common decency.

We realize that at present it is difficult supporting Donald Trump. Recently being defensive in his behalf requires some work. It is difficult to defend and support a train wreck so bad "no one has ever seen anything like it before." The truth is MAGA is struggling in stoking the hate machine. MAGAs have slim pickings at the present.

Complaining about religious hand shaking protocols is a s-t-r-e-t-c-h. Your MAGA sources are leaving y'all to do the heavy lifting on keeping the hate going. It shows and it isn't working.
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meh - few elected officials act in a Christian way

Bill Clinton ? LOL Trump? no
 
stealthycat said:
could be - that I voted for a candidate people didn't like is enough to really set a lot of people off... imagine my religious views !


we are a majority Christian nation
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We are not.

We are a secular nation.
stealthycat said:
meh - few elected officials act in a Christian way

Bill Clinton ? LOL Trump? no
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stealthycat said:
the simplest of things you get wrong ...

A Gallup survey from 2023 indicates that, of the entire U.S. population (332 million), about 67% is Christian (224 million).

en.wikipedia.org

Christianity in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Doesn't matter. No religion in the United States should receive privileges not available to all other religions. No favoritism.

You are no doubt a Christian Nationalist. Go ahead on and call it a Christian nation. It changes nothing.

There is no national religion nor are there religious laws guaranteed by the Constitution. The U.S. remains a democracy. It is not a theocracy. Your religion cannot and should not force your beliefs on others. Stop expecting it.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Doesn't matter. No religion in the United States should receive privileges not available to all other religions. No favoritism.
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I agree but religions like Islam have a very very different set of behavior compared to like Mormons .... that's how they believe right?

Risky Thicket said:
You are no doubt a Christian Nationalist. Go ahead on and call it a Christian nation. It changes nothing.
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its what it is, facts

like Iran is a Muslim nation

Risky Thicket said:
There is no national religion nor are there religious laws guaranteed by the Constitution. The U.S. remains a democracy. It is not a theocracy. Your religion cannot and should not force your beliefs on others. Stop expecting it.
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I never said "national religion"
 
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