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Warren is a capitalist, guys. How about that?

She's going after retirement funds. I don't think that ordinary voters are going to appreciate this.

Even with her party engaged in criminal impeachment to criminally aid her, she'll lose.

She'll lose because the right believes her lies about desiring the changes she spouts about.

And she'll lose because the left doesn't believe her lies.

She's John Edwards in a beaded dress and moccasins.
 
What's wrong with that? Do corporations themselves always make decisions that are beneficial to their employees, or society as a whole? They can and should be held accountable.

Warren won't do that.

She's a serial liar; a complete fraud.
 
Yep, what could possibly be more capitalist that a M4A mandate with a ban on private medical care insurance and using M4A benefits at only non-profit medical care providers?

She can never get the votes in Congress and she knows it.

She's engaging in empty virtue signaling and serial lies.

In other words, another day for Lyin' Lizzie.

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Bernie just bought his 4th home and has got rrrrrrrrrrrich of the idiot leftists that buy into his "champion of the oppressed" shtick. B-Rock just bought his third...a 15 million$$$ beachfront mansion. They arent exactly slouches in the whole capitalist game either....
 
Warren's a native American too, and was once fired by a male principal for being pregnant.
And then there's that cookbook of hers... :lol:
She can call herself a capitalist, but if we were to believe her, she'd have to explain why she seeks to destroy it.

Sen. Warren's Plan To 'Fix' Capitalism Would Destroy Trillions In Market Value

Again, she knows she'll never get the votes in Congress, so she can promise anything, and tell any lie.

Warren seeks one thing: the presidency.

And she's lied her entire life to get what she wants.

The math here is simple.
 
That'll definitely be an issue for him, but I doubt it'll make him lose the election. Also, I think his hospital stay actually boosted his support, but I'll have to find the source for that claim. If I find it, I'll post it later.

Besides his claim that he's not a capitalist (which can be chalked up to Bernie's skewed definitions of capitalism and socialism), I can't think of anything that would indicate that he's a democratic socialist, and not just a social democrat. His support of co-operatives comes close, but he hasn't stated that he is in support of seizing the means of reproduction and only wants to promote them. Also, if we say this makes him a socialist, Warren and Gillibrand are also socialists.

Some excellent points, and welcome to the forum! :2wave:
 
She can never get the votes in Congress and she knows it.

She's engaging in empty virtue signaling and serial lies.

In other words, another day for Lyin' Lizzie.

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That is true of Trump and other POTUS candidates as well.
 
Bernie is a social democrat. Did you happen to know that Bernie isn't as far left as Eisenhower or FDR? He is not a communist or a Venezuelan ideal socialist.

Bernie's own words are that he is not capitalist, which means while I will vote for him if he ends up with the nomination, he is not my first choice.
 
Bernie's own words are that he is not capitalist, which means while I will vote for him if he ends up with the nomination, he is not my first choice.
He has stated that he is not a capitalist ("to the bone", to be exact). I would argue, though, that his views on what capitalism and socialism don't accurately reflect what they are. When describing socialism, he generally points to Scandanavian countries and the policies of FDR, which are both social democratic, not socialist.

“To me, socialism doesn’t mean state ownership of everything, by any means, it means creating a nation, and a world, in which all human beings have a decent standard of living.” (Associated Press, November 1990)

“In terms of socialism, I think there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia and from some of the work, very good work that people have done in Europe. In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have health care as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. I have been very aggressive in trying to move to sustainable energy. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts. I think there is a lot to be learned from countries that have created more egalitarian societies than has the United States of America.” (Georgetown University, 2015)

He has also never advocated for workers completely seizing the means of production (the closest he has ever come to that is his support of co-operatives, such as his Corporate Accountability and Democracy plan and these bills that have some aspects that come close, but don't meet the criteria of socialism) or the abolishment of private property. His support for co-operatives is certainly socialist-y, but as I pointed out before, it isn't socialist.

Sources for the quotes:
YouTube (A speech he made praising FDR's policies)

14 things Bernie Sanders has said about socialism - POLITICO (Various quotes from Bernie Sanders about socialism)
 
He has stated that he is not a capitalist ("to the bone", to be exact). I would argue, though, that his views on what capitalism and socialism don't accurately reflect what they are. When describing socialism, he generally points to Scandanavian countries and the policies of FDR, which are both social democratic. Not socialist.

“To me, socialism doesn’t mean state ownership of everything, by any means, it means creating a nation, and a world, in which all human beings have a decent standard of living.” (Associated Press, November 1990)

“In terms of socialism, I think there is a lot to be learned from Scandinavia and from some of the work, very good work that people have done in Europe. In countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark, poverty has almost been eliminated. All people have health care as a right of citizenship. College education is available to all people, regardless of income, virtually free. I have been very aggressive in trying to move to sustainable energy. They have a lot of political participation, high voter turnouts. I think there is a lot to be learned from countries that have created more egalitarian societies than has the United States of America.” (Georgetown University, 2015)

He has also never advocated for workers completely seizing the means of production (the closest he has ever come to that is his support of co-operatives, such as his Corporate Accountability and Democracy plan and these bills that have some aspects that come close, but don't meet the criteria of socialism) or the abolishment of private property. His support for co-operatives is certainly socialist-y, but as I pointed out before, it isn't socialist.

Sources for the quotes:[\B]
YouTube (A speech he made praising FDR's policies)

14 things Bernie Sanders has said about socialism - POLITICO (Various quotes from Bernie Sanders about socialism)

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One of the problems I find with the word socialism is that it is an ill-defined term. For some it means social democracy, for others it means democratic socialism, still for others it means communism or communism-lite. This is why I am attempting to use Bernie's own words since it is so subjective. I think because the terminology is so bad, its the only way I can be fair.
 
She’s going after anything that looks like money. She wants federal control of industry and the resulting economy. That makes her a Socialist. The only reason she uses the term “accountable capitalism” is because, as a politician, she realizes that a lot of voters in the middle will be turned off. Bernie, meanwhile, embraces the “Socialist” moniker because that’s what people have come to expect of him.

Warren doesn't want anything of the kind.

She's lying to get elected.

Period.

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Bernie just bought his 4th home and has got rrrrrrrrrrrich of the idiot leftists that buy into his "champion of the oppressed" shtick. B-Rock just bought his third...a 15 million$$$ beachfront mansion. They arent exactly slouches in the whole capitalist game either....

Bernie has 3 houses. One in Vermont. A condo in DC because that is where he works and he cant commute home to Vermont nightly, and a lake cabin. None of them are outlandish.
 
Bernie's own words are that he is not capitalist, which means while I will vote for him if he ends up with the nomination, he is not my first choice.

Benie is my first choice, then Liz and Pete.


Bernie is a social democrat but he doesn't support state socialism or unregulated capitalism. To most of the developed world, Bernie would be plain vanilla and a very safe choice.
 
Interesting how you describe yourself as a swing voter but almost always go on the attack against Democratic candidates. ;)
He does not realize

the primary reason playground and school yard swing sets are never planted too close to a brick wall, is that it restricts the actual purpose of the equipment. Figuratively speaking this sort of 'swing voter' just does a series of intellectual faceplants if he tries to 'swing' at all.
 
Benie is my first choice, then Liz and Pete.


Bernie is a social democrat but he doesn't support state socialism or unregulated capitalism. To most of the developed world, Bernie would be plain vanilla and a very safe choice.

I see your point here. I think ultimately though both Warren and Bernie are good choices and will probably be able to accomplish roughly the same goals if elected. The opposition will fight it either way.

I am not so big on Biden right now though. He is too old guard for me and I don't see him as being much different from Obama, which, I think we need someone more liberal than that.
 
Elizabeth Warren will take your 401(k) and replace it with some form of federal guaranteed income and you’ll applaud her for doing so.

She doesn't have the votes and she knows it - it's all lies to get elected.
 
One of the problems I find with the word socialism is that it is an ill-defined term. For some it means social democracy, for others it means democratic socialism, still for others it means communism or communism-lite. This is why I am attempting to use Bernie's own words since it is so subjective. I think because the terminology is so bad, its the only way I can be fair.
I disagree that socialism is ill-defined, but that's unimportant.

I fail to see why you wouldn't consider him your first choice solely because he says he isn't a capitalist if you understand the differences between Bernie's "democratic socialism" (which is just social democracy) and socialism. The label he uses isn't very significant as, policy wise, he is incredibly similar to social democrats, and ultimately, the only difference between them is the label they use. It's like looking at two identical apples and saying "I will eat this one because it is called a Mary Jane apple, whereas the other one is called a Jane Mary apple."
 
Well, the pivot right by the Dem frontrunner has begun.

Sanders draws line between himself and Warren: A '''capitalist to her bones'''

Which makes me wonder if the Dem candidates will even discuss the economy tomorrow.
They've pretty much avoided in in the other debates.

Bernie better go on the attack or he is finished. He can't play nice guy and win against Biden and Warren. The democrats are desperately trying to keep it nice so as not to burn their own possible candidate with adds coming from the republicans that feature commits made by democratic presidential candidates about each other.
 
LOL

Only the well indoctrinated would view the Progressive views of Warren as Capitalist. Bernie labels her, and the lemmings follow.

She's a capitalist lying to get elected; a fauxcialist.

After stabbing Bernie in the back in 2016 on behalf of Hillary, she stole his schtick for 2020.

Cuz Lyin' Lizzie's a lying thief with no moral center.

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Bernie is a social democrat. Did you happen to know that Bernie isn't as far left as Eisenhower or FDR? He is not a communist or a Venezuelan ideal socialist.

^ ^ Gets it.
 
Bernie better go on the attack or he is finished. He can't play nice guy and win against Biden and Warren. The democrats are desperately trying to keep it nice so as not to burn their own possible candidate with adds coming from the republicans that feature commits made by democratic presidential candidates about each other.
I think him making the distinction between him and Warren marks the end of his playing nice charade, personally.
 
I see your point here. I think ultimately though both Warren and Bernie are good choices and will probably be able to accomplish roughly the same goals if elected. The opposition will fight it either way.

I am not so big on Biden right now though. He is a too old guard for me and I don't see him as being much different from Obama, which, I think we need someone more liberal than that.
I agree that Liz and Bernie are virtually the same on major policy platform. Pete is very close to them but he doesn't get the ink that he deserves.

Biden is too old, too gaffe-prone and too conservative. He would be better off as a rational Republican with the rest of the Blue Dogs, but they died 40+ years ago when Reagan, the supply-siders, and the racist Southern Strategy converts took control of the party.

BTW, Did you happen to notice that our former Governor Kasich has seen the light and even he says that the GOP has gone off the rails, to think of how history will view them and their actions are destroying the party? How bad does it have to be when even that economic scumbag looks rational? He looks better than DeWine because Dewine looks like a doddering grandpa in the early stages of dementia. I expect him to start drooling at public appearances within the month.
 
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^ ^ Gets it.

You agreeing with me ruins my reputation as a radical lefty progressive with roses colored glasses. I demand that you stop or I will be forced to get a restraining order from Karl Marx or Noam Chomsky.
 
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