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Sounds good, but it doesn't work that way. And when management holds all the power, workers have often been abused. We do have history you know.
So she can just go and find another job in an economy everybody has a problem with?
So she can just go and find another job in an economy everybody has a problem with?
We can not accept the liberal picture of workers held down in crappy jobs they hate, because that is their world, not reality.
And the funny thing is the newest rebuttal is "Yeah, but what if they have a great idea but can't fund it". I know this is going to be taken as insulting by some but A) Not everyone has great ideas or skillsets, which is why we have low paying jobs, like ditch diggers, stockers, etc. and (B) Not everyone has the risk tolerance or focus to fund a great idea once they have it.The overwhelming false premise that I see in here so far is that these people are somehow 'locked' into a job, whether it be Wal Mart, or some other place that when painted by the liberal mindset is the equivalent of a modern day sweat shop. This is simply a lie.
Wealth in this country is fungible, the pie is not finite. More millionaires are with us today than at any time in our past, and more are being made daily. Some people don't like their job, and switch to something else, others, go into business for themselves, and still more switch careers altogether.
When I started out, as a young man fresh out of the Military, I found that my military training was not transferable to the outside world, so I went into sales...I did pretty good, but that was a tough time for sales period, and with a new family I needed something solid, and reliable. So I started driving truck. It has not made me rich, but it has provided a solid middle class existence for me and my family.
The point is that people in this country can do what ever they want, even today at 50 yrs old, I could wake up tomorrow with a good idea, and strike it in my own business...We can not accept the liberal picture of workers held down in crappy jobs they hate, because that is their world, not reality.
And the funny thing is the newest rebuttal is "Yeah, but what if they have a great idea but can't fund it". I know this is going to be taken as insulting by some but A) Not everyone has great ideas or skillsets, which is why we have low paying jobs, like ditch diggers, stockers, etc. and (B) Not everyone has the risk tolerance or focus to fund a great idea once they have it.
This is why inventors and businessmen are celebrated and usually demand higher pay, there aren't a lot of people with that large of a mental tool bag.
The overwhelming false premise that I see in here so far is that these people are somehow 'locked' into a job, whether it be Wal Mart, or some other place that when painted by the liberal mindset is the equivalent of a modern day sweat shop. This is simply a lie.
Wealth in this country is fungible, the pie is not finite. More millionaires are with us today than at any time in our past, and more are being made daily. Some people don't like their job, and switch to something else, others, go into business for themselves, and still more switch careers altogether.
When I started out, as a young man fresh out of the Military, I found that my military training was not transferable to the outside world, so I went into sales...I did pretty good, but that was a tough time for sales period, and with a new family I needed something solid, and reliable. So I started driving truck. It has not made me rich, but it has provided a solid middle class existence for me and my family.
The point is that people in this country can do what ever they want, even today at 50 yrs old, I could wake up tomorrow with a good idea, and strike it in my own business...We can not accept the liberal picture of workers held down in crappy jobs they hate, because that is their world, not reality.
Yes she can. I know of a place where McDonalds is paying people $10.00/hr...which apparently is more than the average worker at Wal-Mart gets. They are getting that because there simply isn't enough people willing to do that job around there. Mainly because of all the oil companies hiring people in that area...which pays much better.
And the funny thing is the newest rebuttal is "Yeah, but what if they have a great idea but can't fund it". I know this is going to be taken as insulting by some but A) Not everyone has great ideas or skillsets, which is why we have low paying jobs, like ditch diggers, stockers, etc. and (B) Not everyone has the risk tolerance or focus to fund a great idea once they have it.
This is why inventors and businessmen are celebrated and usually demand higher pay, there aren't a lot of people with that large of a mental tool bag.
Please show a list of the statistics which show MORE jobs than workers in this nation. AND please show, city by city, where all these fantastic jobs are that hire a 50 years and banks which will give him/her money for a business.
Thanks.
Please show a list of the statistics which show MORE jobs than workers in this nation. AND please show, city by city, where all these fantastic jobs are that hire a 50 years and banks which will give him/her money for a business.
Thanks.
That, and many do not care to work/earn outside income beyond a, self defined, comfortable level, leaving themselves more free time to enjoy. Having a "menial" job, sufficient for one's basic needs, is far less stressful that constantly striving for more, leaving little time to actually enjoy one's life.
No kidding. I would rather take a fairly decent hourly job than work in management, no matter how much management pays. If I make enough to be comfortable, give me that 40hr/week low stress job any day. (This of course assumes some break through in medical science that would actually let me work again.)
That, and many do not care to work/earn outside income beyond a, self defined, comfortable level, leaving themselves more free time to enjoy. Having a "menial" job, sufficient for one's basic needs, is far less stressful that constantly striving for more, leaving little time to actually enjoy one's life.
I'm intensely driven, have a running bad luck streak at the moment but I'm not complaining, I realize that once I gain traction back it's up to me to make good decisions, put money into the right areas, and invest in my ideas while learning how to keep them active. It's MUCH more stressful than having a set schedule with set demands, the known that ttw spelled out. I have limitations like anyone else as j-Mac well put it, but it's up to individuals to conquer those limitations and excel, not those who employ them after taking their own risks.Absolutely true....I over the years have had more than one good idea, but I know my limitations. I wouldn't have the first clue on how to even approach putting something into motion, nor do I have the expendable income to attempt it. So, I am what I am, and should I get fed up with it, I know it's up to me to change it, not my employer to take care of me.
Employees don't see the management end. In an 8 to 5 the clock strikes and the employee goes home, his job is done unless there is an overtime necessity and many times that is voluntary. Managers don't "8 to 5", they direct the work done during the day, then stay to balance the books, numbers have to line up, plus compliance laws must be accounted for and it falls under management problems.No kidding. I would rather take a fairly decent hourly job than work in management, no matter how much management pays. If I make enough to be comfortable, give me that 40hr/week low stress job any day. (This of course assumes some break through in medical science that would actually let me work again.)
The overwhelming false premise that I see in here so far is that these people are somehow 'locked' into a job, whether it be Wal Mart, or some other place that when painted by the liberal mindset is the equivalent of a modern day sweat shop. This is simply a lie.
Wealth in this country is fungible, the pie is not finite. More millionaires are with us today than at any time in our past, and more are being made daily. Some people don't like their job, and switch to something else, others, go into business for themselves, and still more switch careers altogether.
The point is that people in this country can do what ever they want, even today at 50 yrs old, I could wake up tomorrow with a good idea, and strike it in my own business...We can not accept the liberal picture of workers held down in crappy jobs they hate, because that is their world, not reality.
What you should be doing is thanking WalMart for giving the displaced and the desperate a place to work and earn a salary until something better comes along.I'm a liberal and I'm posting in this thread a lot, and I have never once said that people at Walmart hate their jobs. What I did say was that Walmart hires displaced employees and those who need a job immediately so they can take advantage of them.
OK, you are the CEO of WalMart. How much per hour should a greeter or entry level shelf-stocker earn per hour? Keep in mind that right now they are making $8 which is above the federal minimum wage. Then tell me what a more skilled position like check out person or receiving clerk should make. And dont weasel out and say you dont know. Give me an answer.The knock on Wal-Mart is that they hire displaced individuals and those who immediately need jobs because those are the people who can be taken advantage of. Wal-Mart can and should pay higher wages or give better benefits and they should be much more socially responsible.
Mgmt doesn't "hold all the power"... You don't have to work there. You can find employment elsewhere, or if you are confident enough in a skill, or trade you have you can start your own business and work for yourself.
Your's is a false dilemma...
That's another over simplification. Especially when jobs are scarce. It is fundamental that when employees are able to bargin together, they have more leverage. And when had more unions, people made a better living.
Nah, I don't think so.... Individually of course, this is still America, you can do what you want...Nothing forces you to stay at a job...If you believe you are worth more, then either accept the path your current job affords you to move up, or find something else...No one said it would be easy, but none the less.
Union advocates especially those astroturfing Wal Mart are trying to force unionization through a very dishonest display....Not from overwhelming support of the workers, but rather they want it so they are making much up out of thin air.
How do you know? I mean, you've research or polled Walmart workers?
Well, for one, the totally staged astroturf on Black Friday, using bussed in agitators, and only 50 employees walked out for the protest out of 1.4 MILLION employees. Secondly, my son works for the Wal Mart here while he goes to collage, and according to him, his co workers think it is a joke.
What you should be doing is thanking WalMart for giving the displaced and the desperate a place to work and earn a salary until something better comes along. OK, you are the CEO of WalMart. How much per hour should a greeter or entry level shelf-stocker earn per hour? Keep in mind that right now they are making $8 which is above the federal minimum wage. Then tell me what a more skilled position like check out person or receiving clerk should make. And dont weasel out and say you dont know. Give me an answer.
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