Wait... Are Colleges Good Or Bad?

[Metric Mouse]

Legal immigration is great. I can see why Trump's view on this topic is popular.

 

[dmpi]

The notion of automatically giving green cards to foreign students who graduate in the States would normally send Trumpers into a tailspin but Trump said it so it must be a good idea. Their inability to think independently from him is staggering. Trump really seems to be leaning into a labor force that can be controlled by the government. I bet by Spring he will talking about some sort of green card for migrants that will allow them to stay in the States under some sort of "work supervision".

What happened to that narrative that only the 'best and brightest' should be able to emigrate to the United Sates? If they've graduated from one our schools and they're familiar with our culture, expectations, and the LEGAL immigration process, I think they'll fill that role very well. Where the right has issues with is with illegals from Central and South America who more often than not end up homeless and partake in criminal activity.

 

[ttwtt78640]

While there are improvements that could be made, it seems like the rightwing thinks that just because a problem exists that means we don't have any adequate ways of dealing with that problem. Murderers exist, but we have an adequate system in handling them.

A better analogy to allowing ‘undocumented’ immigrants to work in the US is allowing folks to drive on public roadways without a drivers license (not to commit murder).

 

[Geoist]

What happened to that narrative that only the 'best and brightest' should be able to emigrate to the United Sates? If they've graduated from one our schools and they're familiar with our culture, expectations, and the LEGAL immigration process, I think they'll fill that role very well. Where the right has issues with is with illegals from Central and South America who more often than not end up homeless and partake in criminal activity.

President Trump in 2020: "As we speak, we’re finalizing H1-B regulations so that no American worker is replaced ever again."

 

[Lisa]

It all comes down to this:

Americans with college education? Bad. More education means a more liberal voting population.

Green card foreigners with college education? Good. They need to maintain a job to stay in the country therefore they are easier to exploit.

Educated immigrants with an H1B status are the closest thing to indentured slaves for the GOP and Wall Street. They need them. Maybe the MAGAs should apply for those jobs, if they were such ignorant morons who barely graduated HS.

A better analogy to allowing ‘undocumented’ immigrants to work in the US is allowing folks to drive on public roadways without a drivers license (not to commit murder).

Many of them have drivers licenses, insurance and pay road taxes via gas and other products. Now if they could learn to use turn signals and get decent tires.

 

[KimberK]

What happened to that narrative that only the 'best and brightest' should be able to emigrate to the United Sates? If they've graduated from one our schools and they're familiar with our culture, expectations, and the LEGAL immigration process, I think they'll fill that role very well. Where the right has issues with is with illegals from Central and South America who more often than not end up homeless and partake in criminal activity.

Do you have a source to back up this assertion?

 

[ttwtt78640]

President Trump in 2020: "As we speak, we’re finalizing H1-B regulations so that no American worker is replaced ever again."

Yep, much like Mexico will pay for The Great Wall Of Trump and TrumpCare (which costs much less and covers everyone) is ‘coming soon’.

 

[Callen]

College shouldn't be focused on careers. It should be about becoming a more critical thinker. This is part of the reason people aren't reading. They don't need to do much of it when they're on a career track. And that's bad.

Plus, professions that need degreed workers change. It would be best if we encouraged people to get well-rounded educations, not just specialties. Then they're more adaptable.

I am a huge proponent of a well rounded education. As a district manager of a very large department I can tell you without question my best managers and potential managers were articulate, well written and had high interpersonal skills. Having said that, there is also a huge need for STEM professionals and focused skills like medicine, robotics etc. I think critical thinking skills and interpersonal skills can be introduced into STEM programs and tech skills can be introduced ino academic programs. I think an academic undergrad followed by a two year speciality is the perfect combo but it's pricey.

You will notice in my post I spoke of green cards for those professionals most in demand and not readily avaliable. I didn't specify what.

 

[Geoist]

A better analogy to allowing ‘undocumented’ immigrants to work in the US is allowing folks to drive on public roadways without a drivers license (not to commit murder).

The murder analogy is not to compare illegal immigration to murder but to point to how we have a system, even if imperfect, to handle the issue. Rightwingers make it seem like we have no system at all, or that Democrats are actively making sure we have as many undocumented immigrants as possible (which is not true).

 

[BirdinHand]

I have no issue with the idea either, but the question of how we help students here remains, which could be a great way to counter the messaging about favoritism towards immigrants.

College shouldn't be focused on careers. It should be about becoming a more critical thinker

I was recently a part of a strategic planning committee at my son’s school. Discussing the 5-10 year plans and thoughts about what should change.

The overwhelming answer was that in 2024 and beyond - education needs to focus MOST on training thinkers. You cannot teach to specific topics or careers anymore because you will be never keep up with how fast things are changing in the world - and how fast careers and fields will be changing.

Education has to focus on identifying a student’s strengths and weaknesses and teaching them resilience around and how to overcome their weaknesses and capitalizing on their strengths. And training them how to learn, how to overcome, how to anticipate change and how to adapt.

The next step - where we are currently - is having some really smart educational consultants translate that into what it will LOOK like day to day.

 

[Callen]

What happened to that narrative that only the 'best and brightest' should be able to emigrate to the United Sates? If they've graduated from one our schools and they're familiar with our culture, expectations, and the LEGAL immigration process, I think they'll fill that role very well.

You think graduating from an American school makes you the best and brightest"........how interesting

 

[KimberK]

Absolutely looking forward to the mental gymnastics you MAGAs pull trying to justify this contradiction.

Suddenly the MAGA leader is in favor of college educations AND immigration. It sounds like an article from The Onion.

 

[noonereal]

Absolutely looking forward to the mental gymnastics you MAGAs pull trying to justify this contradiction.

Honest? A Twitter link?

 

[noonereal]

You think graduating from an American school makes you the best and brightest"........how interesting

It makes you better and brighter than those not attending.

 

[BirdinHand]

What happened to that narrative that only the 'best and brightest' should be able to emigrate to the United Sates? If they've graduated from one our schools and they're familiar with our culture, expectations, and the LEGAL immigration process, I think they'll fill that role very well. Where the right has issues with is with illegals from Central and South America who more often than not end up homeless and partake in criminal activity.

Americans aren’t the best and the brightest in lots of ways anymore and to say otherwise is a lie.

One we need to stop telling ourselves.

It was an easy enough lie in a world where we were largely isolated to continue the myth - but it’s 2024.

There is a global economy and global competition for every.single.thing and it is time we start recognizing that and preparing our kids for it and stop lying to ourselves that Americans are somehow simply “exceptional”

If our kids think they’re exceptional simply for being American - they’re not going to keep up. So stop lying to them. We have enough grown ups who think that just because they’re an American they’re somehow “special”, we don’t need to continue to spread the mentality.

Americans and the United States are only great when we EARN being viewed as such. And we have way too many people who are just not great or exceptional and are, in fact, not even mediocre.

 

[Callen]

It makes you better and brighter than those not attending.

Does it? I think that may debatable......ask Gates, Zuckerberg, Branson etc. Ask most conservatives and they will tell you most degrees are useless.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Absolutely looking forward to the mental gymnastics you MAGAs pull trying to justify this contradiction.

You are attempting mental gymnastics in order to spin what you want to think conservatives feel about college. I have seen no conservative, MAGA or others bashing college in general. I went to college. What is getting bashed is some of the librul indocrinations centers at primarily ivy league universities where very radical professors, many getting paid more then the US president, indoctrinate students at a very vulnerable age and ultimately sack them with an adult lifetime of student debt.

 

[Geoist]

I have seen no conservative, MAGA or others bashing college in general.

That is some epic gaslighting

 

[noonereal]

Does it? I think that may debatable......ask Gates, Zuckerberg, Branson etc. Ask most conservatives and they will tell you most degrees are useless.

Terrible reply.

Just flat out terrible and you don't even know why.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The advantage to having an absolutely committed base of morons, liars, and the like is that you don't even have to remember your lies and smears

 

[Deuce]

Purely anecdotal, but I had few college professors who actively pushed their politics on me, and I was a right-libertarian in college so it definitely would've been something I noticed. My move to the left was organic as I moved out of my parents' rightwing ecosystem and read political literature whether I agreed with it or not.

Yeah, "college is liberal indoctrination" comes from people who either haven't been to college, or people who are on the far right and just can't stand the fact that the universe doesn't fit their worldview and sometimes people disagree with them.

 

[Deuce]

What happened to that narrative that only the 'best and brightest' should be able to emigrate to the United Sates? If they've graduated from one our schools and they're familiar with our culture, expectations, and the LEGAL immigration process, I think they'll fill that role very well. Where the right has issues with is with illegals from Central and South America who more often than not end up homeless and partake in criminal activity.

Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than native-born Americans, so that last bit is just a lie.

Also... right wingers always claim that they are "all for legal immigration" but as we see yet again this proves not to be true in practice. Right wingers are feuding with Musky over a legal immigration path.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than native-born Americans,

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha! The reality is that each and every one of them is a criminal the moment they cross the border illegally.

 

[madman]

That is some epic gaslighting

IN ****ing deed!!!