Wait A Minute----Where Are The trumpers Now??

[OlNate]

so, the same with immigration??? Trump did squat in 2016

Sorry, do you think I'm a Trump apologist?

 

[Swit]

Israel / Palestine began under Biden and not a moment sooner

Israel / Iran began under Biden and not a moment sooner

Israel / Palestine began almost a century ago which escalated shortly after WW2

Israel / Iran was also a decades long problem recently (1st term) escalated by the Trump administration exiting Obama's nuclear deal, reinstating sanctions and exasperated by Trump moving our embassy to Jerusalem. Also lack of US action on Israel annexing parts of the Gaza Strip and West Bank which started also decades ago and continued under both Republican and Democratic administrations

 

[ElChupacabra]

All of the conflicts we are looking at began under Biden and nothing was done that brought either to a close. So at least look at reality.

Israel initiated this one all on their own, and the conflict between Israel and Iran goes back decades.

 

[ElChupacabra]

They come down with amnesia and can't remember a thing when a democrat was in control......blame game and virtue signal is all they know.

Interestingly enough it's the current president who stated Ukraine wouldn't get invaded if he were in charge and that the conflict would be over in 24 hours after he's elected. So far it's been 3,571 hours since Trump's been in office and not only is that war ongoing, we're now sending ships to get involved in another conflict. Or did Israel decide to take out Iran's leadership and nuclear capabilities during the Biden administration as well?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Yep... and Biden couldn't find the hammer... hehe

I think it's obvious what happened, and who holds the majority of the blame. But it's not wrong to say Biden didn't do anything when he had the chance, because he didn't. And now, because of all of that, you're where you're at.

To a degree maybe, but the factor to consider here is Israel as well because they are absolutists about Iran and anything nuclear in that country. Israel's been attacking Iran's nuclear program for decades, but the difference is it was more covertly. This is the first time an attack of this magnitude has been attempted, and I can't help but think it's in part because Trump is a more maleable figure. His inability to stand firm against Russia makes that pretty clear.

 

[Bodecea]

Israel / Palestine began under Biden and not a moment sooner

Israel / Iran began under Biden and not a moment sooner

 

[Bodecea]

Yep, and it's called selective memory due to the chronic malady known as TDS.

Sorry about the testosterone deficiency.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

During The campaign all I heard was how Biden is getting us into war, etc, etc,.......The Trumpers are silent now that trump really IS doing just that !! Come on GOPers----what say you ???

Where are our soldiers being deployed to exactly?.....

Are we giving more money to anyone, more than we gave to Ukraine ?.....

You are falsely triggered !

Also Iran having a Nuke is a VERY BAD THING for the World !

Go Israel !

 

[OlNate]

To a degree maybe, but the factor to consider here is Israel as well because they are absolutists about Iran and anything nuclear in that country. Israel's been attacking Iran's nuclear program for decades, but the difference is it was more covertly. This is the first time an attack of this magnitude has been attempted, and I can't help but think it's in part because Trump is a more maleable figure. His inability to stand firm against Russia makes that pretty clear.

So I guess the question is, who calls the shots, Israel or America?

Sure, Israel is going to go after them, whether or not that's justified is another debate, and I doubt you and I would have much to argue about.

I'm more talking about America's involvement, not so much the conflict in general... though I do have to wonder if Israel would be so bold without America's involvement.

 

[ElChupacabra]

So I guess the question is, who calls the shots, Israel or America?

Sure, Israel is going to go after them, whether or not that's justified is another debate, and I doubt you and I would have much to argue about.

I'm more talking about America's involvement, not so much the conflict in general... though I do have to wonder if Israel would be so bold without America's involvement.

I don't want to jump the gun because the US is currently sending ships, so the degree of the involvement is still not known. It's possible it might be to provide aerial defense support since Iran is lobbing missiles and threatened to attack US bases if the US and others join in an attack against Iran. The concern is Trump now isn't taking the intelligence information from his intel chief (Gabbard) and relying on Netanyahu's info. This reinforces the idea Trump is an easily convinced leader, since he's now changed course based on his talk with Netanyahu, much in the way Trump continues to parrot the Putin complaint about being kicked out of the G8.

 

[OlNate]

I don't want to jump the gun because the US is currently sending ships, so the degree of the involvement is still not known. It's possible it might be to provide aerial defense support since Iran is lobbing missiles and threatened to attack US bases if the US and others join in an attack against Iran. The concern is Trump now isn't taking the intelligence information from his intel chief (Gabbard) and relying on Netanyahu's info. This reinforces the idea Trump is an easily convinced leader, since he's now changed course based on his talk with Netanyahu, much in the way Trump continues to parrot the Putin complaint about being kicked out of the G8.

hehe... yeah, that would be the concern, as Nutty Yahoo has been claiming Iran is ten minutes away from having the bomb for the last 20 years or so... but maybe he's right this time...hehe...

It's all good, though, Gabbard seems to have switched stances, demonstrating alignment, so really there's nothing to be concerned about at all. Or something.

I don't know, man, it's all up in the air, and the safe money bet is that we're all being lied to to one extent or another. The level to which America will be inolved is, of course, TBD, but given who you have at the helm, I think it's safe to say that now that Trump has shown off his toys in his little parade, he'll be happy to play with them in the ME, just like you guys have done for a while now. At the end of the day it just means more death, and, almost always, none of the people who started this shit will be the ones doing the dying.

Hehe...remember when Trump called Cheney out for being hawkish? Ah, the good old days.

 

[ElChupacabra]

hehe... yeah, that would be the concern, as Nutty Yahoo has been claiming Iran is ten minutes away from having the bomb for the last 20 years or so... but maybe he's right this time...hehe...

It's all good, though, Gabbard seems to have switched stances, demonstrating alignment, so really there's nothing to be concerned about at all. Or something.

I don't know, man, it's all up in the air, and the safe money bet is that we're all being lied to to one extent or another. The level to which America will be inolved is, of course, TBD, but given who you have at the helm, I think it's safe to say that now that Trump has shown off his toys in his little parade, he'll be happy to play with them in the ME, just like you guys have done for a while now. At the end of the day it just means more death, and, almost always, none of the people who started this shit will be the ones doing the dying.

Hehe...remember when Trump called Cheney out for being hawkish? Ah, the good old days.

Lest we forget when he testified before Congress asserting with Iraq was also "close" to obtaining nuclear weapons. Reality on the ground was much different.


The way to think of Netanyahu is as a leader who wants the US to do the work it cannot militarily in the region. For as good as the Israeli military is, they have a shortage of soldiers and cannot get into the business of nation building the US can. This is why he is not to be trusted.

 

[Loulit01]

Israel / Palestine began under Biden and not a moment sooner

In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict context, it refers to uprising by Palestinian people against Israeli occupation or Israel, involving both violent and nonviolent methods of resistance, including the First Intifada (1987–1993) Ronald Reagan, President.

The Second Intifada (2000–2005) George W. Bush, President..

Israel / Iran began under Biden and not a moment sooner

Since 1985, Iran and Israel have been engaged in a proxy conflict that has greatly affected the geopolitics of the Middle East. The turn from cold peace to open hostility began in the early 1990s, shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the defeat of Iraq in the Gulf War. Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin's government adopted a more aggressive posture on Iran, as well as Israeli threats of military action.

Iran–Israel relations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Could you possibly be more clueless? Open a book for God's sake.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

some folks seem to lie to themselves so often that they don't even notice it anymore

 

[Simon W. Moon]

In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict context, it refers to uprising by Palestinian people against Israeli occupation or Israel, involving both violent and nonviolent methods of resistance, including the First Intifada (1987–1993) Ronald Reagan, President.

The Second Intifada (2000–2005) George W. Bush, President..

Since 1985, Iran and Israel have been engaged in a proxy conflict that has greatly affected the geopolitics of the Middle East. The turn from cold peace to open hostility began in the early 1990s, shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the defeat of Iraq in the Gulf War. Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin's government adopted a more aggressive posture on Iran, as well as Israeli threats of military action.

Iran–Israel relations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Could you possibly be more clueless? Open a book for God's sake.

in context, my comments appear to be sarcasm

ymmv

 

[vesper]

Where are our soldiers being deployed to exactly?.....

Are we giving more money to anyone, more than we gave to Ukraine ?.....

You are falsely triggered !

Also Iran having a Nuke is a VERY BAD THING for the World !

Go Israel !

What Israel has been able to achieve on their own is amazing. It will be studied for years.
Trump is involved to protect our soldiers already stationed in the region, like the base in Quatar, in the northern tip in Jordan, Iraq, embassies in the region There are many American citizens who live in Israel and other countries in the region.
Netanyahu is doing what he needs to do to protect his country and Trump is doing what he needs to do to protect our interests in the region.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

What Israel has been able to achieve on their own is amazing. It will be studied for years.
Trump is involved to protect our soldiers already stationed in the region, like the base in Quatar, in the northern tip in Jordan, Iraq, embassies in the region There are many American citizens who live in Israel and other countries in the region.
Netanyahu is doing what he needs to do to protect his country and Trump is doing what he needs to do to protect our interests in the region.

Has Iran recently threatened Qatar, Jordan, or Iraq with attack?​

 

[Along Came Jones]

Biden didn't start a war with Iran.

Btw, how is trump going to ensure that Iran is prevented from developing nuclear bombs?

Biden was an ostrich.

Trump is a squirrel.

What we need is an owl or a fox.

 

[jaypatriot]

During The campaign all I heard was how Biden is getting us into war, etc, etc,.......The Trumpers are silent now that trump really IS doing just that !! Come on GOPers----what say you ???

what say you ???
The U.S. has not engaged in offensive actions AND there are no U.S. boots on the ground in Iran.
What else do you wish to complain about?
Are you a soothsayer or doomsday oracle?
DO you know what's going to happen or are you simply standing around waiting to say "I told you so!"?

 

[Ikari]

During The campaign all I heard was how Biden is getting us into war, etc, etc,.......The Trumpers are silent now that trump really IS doing just that !! Come on GOPers----what say you ???

It was never about high grocery prices, or war, or any of it. It was always about Trump, about Trump's power, and about the supremacy of MAGA above all else. They don't care if Trump will drag us into WW 3, they never cared, it was never the point. The point is establishing MAGA as THE party, establishing Dear Leader and grab power for Dear Leader. Anything that feeds into that is good.

 

[iliveonramen]

I feel like this should be pretty obvious and common sense but, maybe the US doesn't 100% control everything that happens around the world? Maybe Trump lied when he blames everything on Biden and and lied when he takes credit for things he has nothing to do with? Maybe Tump also lied when he pretended to have power he doesn't have, like forcing the rest of the world to do what he wants them to do? Maybe his "powers" of negotiation aren't that great?

One thing Trump has power over is how much he involves the US in this and the repercussions of that involvement.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Where are our soldiers being deployed to exactly?.....

That is classified and in progress.

It this will begin as an air war. It will then include war on the sea and at some points troops in-country.

Are we giving more money to anyone, more than we gave to Ukraine ?.....

Money. We are giving more money to the oligarchs and corporations than anything else. Get real.

You are falsely triggered !

Also Iran having a Nuke is a VERY BAD THING for the World !

We do not want an Iran with nuclear weapons. You are convinced that war is the only way to settle the matter?

Go Israel !

Send us an update once you arrive there and join up the fight.

 

[mike2810]

what say you ???
The U.S. has not engaged in offensive actions AND there are no U.S. boots on the ground in Iran.
What else do you wish to complain about?
Are you a soothsayer or doomsday oracle?
DO you know what's going to happen or are you simply standing around waiting to say "I told you so!"?

Not quite true. Hasn't the US help shoot down Iran missiles fired at Isreal?

If not preparing for an offense why would the US move a second aircaft carrier, additional refueling aircraft, etc. to the middle east?

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

During The campaign all I heard was how Biden is getting us into war, etc, etc,.......The Trumpers are silent now that trump really IS doing just that !! Come on GOPers----what say you ???

We are not in a war. We will protect our ally in the under attack. We will hopefully disarm a very dangerous regime of nuclear weapons who have not only threatened Israel but us as well. I will always support this.
If I reach for gun after threatening to shoot and kill someone I better expect that person is going to try and stop me if they can. Common sense.

 

[jaypatriot]

Not quite true. Hasn't the US help shoot down Iran missiles fired at Isreal?

If not preparing for an offense why would the US move a second aircaft carrier, additional refueling aircraft, etc. to the middle east?

IS shooting down incoming Iranian missiles considered an offensive action?
To answer your second leading question: To pose an even greater threat to Iran's existence so they will be inclined to destroy their nuclear weapon facilities.