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[W:962]The right to intervene in someone's private life.

You've been given an answer repeatedly. You don't think there is any authority to do so, therefore, you aren't going to accept anyone's answer. Why do you keep asking?
That's not true. I do believe there is an authority and this isnt about 'accepting' someone's answer.

This is a debate forum...and it's not about 'accepting' other people's beliefs or opinions, it's about sharing and discussing them. Why are you afraid to share your answer to this question? Are you ashamed of it? Do you know that there's no legitimate foundation for it to be imposed on other women besides yourself?

If someone believes that God is that authority...I'm not going to accept it 'for other women,' but it's perfectly legitimate for an individual.
 
As I said, when a situation involves the unnecessary harm of another human, it's always the state's business.

If an abortion is very necessary to her health, then that's another story.
Who says? What authority that other women must follow says so? That's just your opinion...not an authoritative statement that applies to others.

Here is what the "state" says:

(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.​
(b) As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.​

So you are mistaken if you believe that the state has that authority or lays claim to it.
 
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As I said, when a situation involves the unnecessary harm of another human, it's always the state's business.

If an abortion is very necessary to her health, then that's another story.
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Unfortunately, before Roe the state often waited until the woman was already at deaths door and it was too late for an abortion … All that was left was a stat c section. In cases such as pre eclampsia ,eclampsia ,or HELLP syndrome both the woman and mother unborn/ born lost their lives.

It is not the States business.

And as I pointed out an elective abortion may be a pro active step because the woman is conserned about her
Own health or the health of her fetus.

During my first pregnancy I became very ill from the beginning of my pregnancy with complications.
In fact i became so ill from the pregnancy that my kidneys were damaged by 4 months and I became very anemic. I was getting B1 shots but still got weaker and more anemic. My illness was so rare the doctors did not know how to help me.

I became so anemic my doctor was afraid I would bleed to death during delivery and he had the delivery room set up with a complete blood transfusion for me.

If I were that ill in a future pregnancy and I already had little children at home who were counting on me , their mother , staying alive to love and care for them I may have had to make the very difficult choice of continuing my pregnancy to childbirth hoping I was lucky enough to stay alive to survive childbirth or to decide that because I loved my born children so much I needed to have an early abortion.

Luckily , I never needed to make that difficult decision.
 
[QUOTE="Josie,]
As I said, when a situation involves the unnecessary harm of another human, it's always the state's business.

If an abortion is very necessary to her health, then that's another story.
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The Supreme Court decided in Roe vs Wade that a medical abortion before viabilly is now safer than childbirth.

In fact 13 times safer.
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From Roe vs Wade edited:

States can create laws to protect citizens from harmful practices, and it can ban medical procedures that are harmful. When abortion was initially banned by most states, it was a dangerous procedure. Medically, ( before viability) it is now safer than childbirth. Therefore there is no longer a good reason for states to ban it ( before viability) as a medical practice.
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Any abortion before viability is safer for the woman’s health.

We never know when a pregnacy might become dangerous for the woman.

I will not be responsible for a making an important decision like that for anyone but myself.

And the state has no right to make the decision for her either.
 
[QUOTE="Josie,]
As I said, when a situation involves the unnecessary harm of another human, it's always the state's business.

If an abortion is very necessary to her health, then that's another story.

The Supreme Court decided in Roe vs Wade that a medical abortion before viabilly is now safer than childbirth.

In fact 13 times safer.
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From Roe vs Wade edited:

States can create laws to protect citizens from harmful practices, and it can ban medical procedures that are harmful. When abortion was initially banned by most states, it was a dangerous procedure. Medically, ( before viability) it is now safer than childbirth. Therefore there is no longer a good reason for states to ban it ( before viability) as a medical practice.
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Any abortion before viability is safer for the woman’s health.

We never know when a pregnacy might become dangerous for the woman.

I will not be responsible for a making an important decision like that for anyone but myself.

And the state has no right to make the decision for her either.

If you just click "reply" and type underneath the quote, I'll get the quote notification. You're deleting something or something which messes up the quote.

It might be safer for the mother, but it's definitely not safe for the unborn human. I'm interested in both the mother and baby's health. Just because something might happen at some point in the pregnancy is no reason to end the life of the baby, IMO.

Yes, I know you disagree.
 
.... it's definitely not safe for the unborn human. I'm interested in both the mother and baby's health. Just because something might happen at some point in the pregnancy is no reason to end the life of the baby, IMO.

Yes, I know you disagree.
Yes. The whole point of abortion is for an actual person to TERMINATE a pregnancy. And, that mother's decision is none of your business. Zero, zip, nadda.

Sheesh.
 
Yes. The whole point of abortion is for an actual person to TERMINATE a pregnancy. And, that mother's decision is none of your business.

Sheesh.

Yes, I know that is your opinion.
 
Yes, I know that is your opinion.
And, I know you lie. As you did when you pretended a 12-week old fetus had a human brain, as if it just needed to be shat out to begin saying it's abc's.
 
And, I know you lie. As you did when you pretended a 12-week old fetus had a human brain, as if it just needed to be shat out to begin saying it's abc's.

Mmmkay.
 
Does that mean you admit you lied?

No, it means that I'm tired of explaining it to you. Like I've said repeatedly, you can disagree with Mayo Clinic all you want. 🤷
 
No, it means that I'm tired of explaining it to you. Like I've said repeatedly, you can disagree with Mayo Clinic all you want. 🤷
You lied by intentionally misrepresenting what the Mayo Clinic wrote.

A human brain has a cerebral cortex, something that does not develop until the third trimester. A sub-12-week-old fetus has a few synapses at the end of its spinal chord.

Do you know the difference? <-----Serious question.
 
You lied intentionally by misrepresenting what the Mayo Clinic wrote.

A human brain has a cerebral cortex, something that does not develop until the third trimester. A sub-12-week-old fetus has a few synapses at the end of its spinal chord.

Do you know the difference? <-----Serious question.

No, I didn't lie at all. The Mayo Clinic said "brain". Take it up with them, mmkay?

Have a magical day!
 
No, I didn't lie at all. The Mayo Clinic said "brain". Take it up with them, mmkay?

Have a magical day!
Yes, you lied to argue your failed point. I'll remind you of that often. Trust me.
 
If you just click "reply" and type underneath the quote, I'll get the quote notification. You're deleting something or something which messes up the quote.

It might be safer for the mother, but it's definitely not safe for the unborn human. I'm interested in both the mother and baby's health. Just because something might happen at some point in the pregnancy is no reason to end the life of the baby, IMO.

Yes, I know you disagree.

Yes, I disagree.

I personally know my life was on the line and my daughters life was on the line due to pregnancy complications.

It is important that the woman be good health when she becomes pregnant, even then things can still go terribly wrong in the blink of an eye.

Each pregnancy a woman risks a complication. She should have the right to make the decision that having a little one is worth the risk to her. Most women say he’s most of the time. If they now is not the time they often make a yes choice at a later time in their life.


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Any pregnancy can take a turn at a moments notice and put the woman’s health and even her life at risk, at a point where an abortion once the symptoms are there will be too late to prevent a death of the woman or lifelong major irreparable disability.

That’s why no woman should be forced to take the risk if she wants an early elective abortion it should be her choice not to risk the pregnancy. Some women can sence there is something wrong ahead of time.



Life threatening complications aren't rare up to 8 percent of all pregnancies affected by pre- eclampsia or one of it's variants including HELLP syndrome.

We never know when a pregnancy might take a turn and become life threatening to someone we love.

Another 1 to 2.5 percent of pregnancies are ectopic pregnancies which are also life threatening.

So about 1 out 10 pregnancies can be life threatening just from 2 of the many types of life threatening complications.... eclampsia variants and ectopic pregnancies.


My daughter had HELLP syndrome with her pregnancy and she was very close to death when they performed the emergency
C section.

She went to the ER a few weeks before her due date because she was getting a horrible pain in her back just below her ribs which was caused because her liver was being damaged from the HELLP syndrome.
Usually there is pain the upper right part of the abdomen but her pain was in the back because her liver was swelling and shutting down.
They were worried her liver might fail.


Her OB/GYN was shocked when her test results came back showing she had HELLP syndrome. She had just seen him a couple days before and everything with the pregnancy appeared fine then.

My daughter was one the up to 8 percent of women in the US who every year developes 'preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome." Thankfully she was not one of the roughly 300 US women who do die from the syndrome every year but she was one of the roughly 75,000 US women every year who are counted as near misses.

From the following article:
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Every year in the U.S., up to 8 percent, or 300,000, of pregnant or postpartum women develop preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome.

Roughly 300 women die, and another 75,000 women experience “near misses”—severe complications and injury such as organ failure, massive blood loss, permanent disability, and premature birth or death of their babies.

Usually, the disease resolves with the birth of the baby and placenta. But, it can occur postpartum—indeed, most maternal deaths occur after delivery.



Beyond Downton Abbey: Preeclampsia Maternal Deaths Continue Today - The Daily Beast
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A little more about HELLP Syndrome:
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HELLP syndrome is a life-threatening pregnancy complication usually considered to be a variant of preeclampsia. Both conditions usually occur during the later stages of pregnancy, or sometimes after childbirth.

HELLP syndrome was named by Dr. Louis Weinstein in 1982 after its characteristics:

H (hemolysis, which is the breaking down of red blood cells)
EL (elevated liver enzymes)
LP (low platelet count)

HELLP syndrome can be difficult to diagnose, especially when high blood pressure and protein in the urine aren't present. Its symptoms are sometimes mistaken for gastritis, flu, acute hepatitis, gall bladder disease, or other conditions.

The global mortality rate of HELLP syndrome has been reported to be as high as 25%.


HELLP Syndrome: Preeclampsia Foundation
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It might be safer for the mother, but it's definitely not safe for the unborn human. I'm interested in both the mother and baby's health. Just because something might happen at some point in the pregnancy is no reason to end the life of the baby, IMO.

Yes, I know you disagree.
No you just lied. Because if you were also concerned with the mother's health, you wouldnt deny her the choice to choose a procedure that is much safer for her. You choose the unborn over women, that's clear.

Abortion is 14 times safter
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Getting a legal abortion is much safer than giving birth, suggests a new U.S. study published Monday.​
Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.​

And apparently you feel that kids would be better off with women that didnt want them to begin with? Forced to be mothers...yeah, I bet lots of them do a great job. You can see evidence of how badly poor parenting affects our society all over. But yeah...you go ahead continuing to promote that.
 
Aren't most of the abortion threads posed by conservatives:
Is the normally developing ZEF alive?
Is the "It's my body , it's my choice" a good argument?
Lies of abortion supporters
Elective abortion limits
etc. simply opportunities for anti-abortion advocates to explain why they have the right to intervene and interfere in other people's most intimate and private lives?


Conservatives see it as intervening to save another life. 🤷

If you're getting mugged and raped, surely you'd want someone - even if it's a conservative - to intervene and come to your aid.
 
Conservatives see it as intervening to save another life. 🤷

If you're getting mugged and raped, surely you'd want someone - even if it's a conservative - to intervene and come to your aid.
Some conservatives see it as meddling where you aren't welcome.
 
Conservatives see it as intervening to save another life. 🤷
If you're getting mugged and raped, surely you'd want someone - even if it's a conservative - to intervene and come to your aid.
Conservatives intervene very selectively in their life saving.
They do not intervene about mask wearing to save lives.
They don't intervene in police shootings to save lives
They don't intervene in the opioid crisis to save lives
They don't intervene in the refusal to vaccinate to save lives.
They don't intervene in the Capitol raids and killings or in the following investigation to find out why lives were lost.
They don't intervene in private military groups to find out who they are killing.
They don't intervene in gun regulation to save lives.
They don't intervene in work place safety to save lives
(there's more if you want to go on and on)
Conservatives intervene in only three issues, in which they claim they are saving lives: abortion, birth control and prostitution. None of the issues saves any already born lives. However all three issues manage or control women's sexual or reproductive lives.

Conservative intervention is not about "saving another life".

Don't piss on our legs and tell us it's raining.
 
Conservatives intervene very selectively in their life saving.
They do not intervene about mask wearing to save lives.
They don't intervene in police shootings to save lives
They don't intervene in the opioid crisis to save lives
They don't intervene in the refusal to vaccinate to save lives.
They don't intervene in the Capitol raids and killings or in the following investigation to find out why lives were lost.
They don't intervene in private military groups to find out who they are killing.
They don't intervene in gun regulation to save lives.
They don't intervene in work place safety to save lives
(there's more if you want to go on and on)
Conservatives intervene in only three issues, in which they claim they are saving lives: abortion, birth control and prostitution. None of the issues saves any already born lives. However all three issues manage or control women's sexual or reproductive lives.

Conservative intervention is not about "saving another life".

Don't piss on our legs and tell us it's raining.

What do you mean by "intervene?" Like, physically to be there protesting?

How do you know they don't "intervene" in any, or all of those things?
Intervening usually, is expressed through voting for, or against policies.
You're generalizing all conservatives.

As an example with police shootings - it is a common conservative view to be mindful and wary of too much power being given to

law enforcers - of resulting in a "police state." At least, that's what I think.
Lol - go to prepper sites! :)

The environment right now - everything it seems, becomes politicized.
 
Conservatives see it as intervening to save another life. 🤷

If you're getting mugged and raped, surely you'd want someone - even if it's a conservative - to intervene and come to your aid.

The pregnant woman has the right to choose to risk her health and her life to try to continue a pregnancy.

Or she may choose it is not the right time or right circumstances to continue a pregnancy and may choose an elective abortion.

Another time or another pregnancy she may choose the alternative.

Many women have chosen both at different times during their childbearing years.

With new , and better methods of birth control, there are far fewer unexpected pregnancies.
 
The pregnant woman has the right to choose to risk her health and her life to try to continue a pregnancy.
Or she may choose it is not the right time or right circumstances to continue a pregnancy and may choose an elective abortion.

Another time or another pregnancy she may choose the alternative.

Many women have chosen both at different times during their childbearing years.

With new , and better methods of birth control, there are far fewer unexpected pregnancies.

She had the right to choose to prevent an unwanted pregnancy...................... or, to go on ahead and take the risk of getting pregnant.
Once you create a life, that created human being would also have the right to be protected (as much as every one of us does).

A woman doesn't want to have a baby for whatever reasons she may have? Fine.
Therefore - don't create another human being inside you. 🤷

There's no longer any excuse today getting an unwanted pregnancy.
 
She had the right to choose to prevent an unwanted pregnancy...................... or, to go on ahead and take the risk of getting pregnant.
Once you create a life, that human being would also have the right to be protected (as much as every one of us does).
There's no longer any excuse today of getting an unwanted pregnancy.
Women living at or below the poverty line do not have access, money or insurance to obtain the more effective and expensive forms of birth control: the IUD, hormone implants or hormone injections. The pill while inexpensive, if taking the generic form, must be taken with a regularity and timing precision that most women are unaware of in order to obtain the pill's maximum effectiveness as a contraceptive.

In addition to the lack of access to effective birth control responsible for unwanted pregnancies there are thousands of schools teaching abstinence only sex-ed. Studies have shown that schools with abstinence only sex education have a much higher rate of unwanted pregnancies than schools teaching well planned, science based, honest sex-ed.

Other barriers to preventing unwanted pregnancies include those states that did not accept the ACA and did not expand Medicaid services including many reproductive services. Each state has some discretion in what birth control it covers. Many states have deemed the IUD and hormone implants or injections to cause abortion and claim Hyde Amendment permission to exclude these effective contraceptives from their offered services.

There are still many reasons today for the lack of access to effective women's contraceptives.
 
Women living at or below the poverty line do not have access, money or insurance to obtain the more effective and expensive forms of birth control: the IUD, hormone implants or hormone injections. The pill while inexpensive, if taking the generic form, must be taken with a regularity and timing precision that most women are unaware of in order to obtain the pill's maximum effectiveness as a contraceptive.

In addition to the lack of access to effective birth control responsible for unwanted pregnancies there are thousands of schools teaching abstinence only sex-ed. Studies have shown that schools with abstinence only sex education have a much higher rate of unwanted pregnancies than schools teaching well planned, science based, honest sex-ed.

Other barriers to preventing unwanted pregnancies include those states that did not accept the ACA and did not expand Medicaid services including many reproductive services. Each state has some discretion in what birth control it covers. Many states have deemed the IUD and hormone implants or injections to cause abortion and claim Hyde Amendment permission to exclude these effective contraceptives from their offered services.

There are still many reasons today for the lack of access to effective women's contraceptives.

The ACA pays for these birth control methods:

Which types of birth control are free?​

Birth control methods that are covered by this requirement of the Affordable Care Act include any that are approved by the FDA:


Your plan may also cover over-the-counter birth control, but you will need a prescription from your doctor if you want it to be covered without out-of-pocket costs.
 
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