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[W:962]The right to intervene in someone's private life.

Aunt Antifa said:
Wanting to evade financial responsibilities isn’t an ideological issue.
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I agree. Women should stop evading their financial responsibility to a child when they had the CHOICE not to he a parent
 
weaver2 said:
Doctors are educated, trained, licensed to practice and ethical. A woman is a patient because of a unique situation in her pregnancy. She, her family and the doctor are going to make the best decision they can given the parameters of the situation. Why do you and the anti-abortion mob have to know what's going on in this private matter?
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I have no need to know what's going on in those private matters. Obviously 'the law' does.
 
@Aunt Antifa @vegas giants

More people might see your responsibility argument in a new thread, maybe not in the abortion forum.
 
vegas giants said:
I agree. Women should stop evading their financial responsibility to a child when they had the CHOICE not to he a parent
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Ohhh you think you’re making an equivalent argument.

You are not.
 
vegas giants said:
Actually I am. And your inability to present an argument is not very persuasive. Lol
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My argument already exists as the norm. You’re proposing the outlier of codifying into law being a Deadbeat dad with protections.

*You* have to make a compelling argument to change existing social mores and laws regarding men who abandon their children.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
My argument already exists as the norm. You’re proposing the outlier of codifying into law being a Deadbeat dad with protections.

*You* have to make a compelling argument to change existing social mores and laws regarding men who abandon their children.
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Slavery was the norm. Women not voting was the norm.


My god I hope you are not making a civil rights argument saying we can not change the norm!!!!
 
vegas giants said:
Slavery was the norm. Women not voting was the norm.


My god I hope you are not making a civil rights argument saying we can not change the norm!!!!
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Are you comparing your desire to free men from their obligations to those of slaves? What is your specific argument vis a vis your Deadbeat Dad Clause?
 
Aunt Antifa said:
Are you comparing your desire to free men from their obligations to those of slaves? What is your specific argument vis a vis your Deadbeat Dad Clause?
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I believe post parties should have a post conception choice financially.


That is equality


That is civil rights


That is pro choice
 
vegas giants said:
I believe post parties should have a post conception choice financially.


That is equality


That is civil rights


That is pro choice
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That isnt’ what I asked you. You’re all over the place.

Let me know which argument you want to have.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
That isnt’ what I asked you. You’re all over the place.

Let me know which argument you want to have.
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It is exactly what you asked for. If you want something more specific be clear
 
vegas giants said:
It is exactly what you asked for. If you want something more specific be clear
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I did, I asked you about your exact statement. You compared your struggle for your deadbeat dad clause with that of slavery. So I’ll ask again:

Please explain how your desire to not pay for children you make is equal to that of a slave wanting not to be a slave? It was your premise, I assume you’ve given it *a lot* of thought, and I wanna hear all of ‘em!
 
Aunt Antifa said:
I did, I asked you about your exact statement. You compared your struggle for your deadbeat dad clause with that of slavery. So I’ll ask again:

Please explain how your desire to not pay for children you make is equal to that of a slave wanting not to be a slave? It was your premise, I assume you’ve given it *a lot* of thought, and I wanna hear all of ‘em!
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It's not equal. I never said it was equal. It is similar in that both are civil rights violations


Please quote me as saying it was equal
 
vegas giants said:
It's not equal. I never said it was equal. It is similar in that both are civil rights violations


Please quote me as saying it was equal
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Third sentence, bolded.

Please expand on that sentence. How is it similar? I do not see any similarities. In one instance a person is subjugated against their will, in the other you don’t want to pay for kids you enjoyed making.

you wanted to discuss your stance, this is what it looks like. Go for it. Compare and contrast now that you’ve made the claim.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
Third sentence, bolded.

Please expand on that sentence. How is it similar? I do not see any similarities. In one instance a person is subjugated against their will, in the other you don’t want to pay for kids you enjoyed making.

you wanted to discuss your stance, this is what it looks like. Go for it. Compare and contrast now that you’ve made the claim.
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Sure. In one instance a person is being denied their rights based on race. In the other they are denied their rights based in gender.
 
vegas giants said:
Sure. In one instance a person is being denied their rights based on race. In the other they are denied their rights based in gender.
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What rights are being denied the former vs the latter? You’re still not making any sense. What is the deadbeat dad in your scenario prevented from doing that he would otherwise be able to do? And what is it the black person in your scenario wouldn’t be able to do that they would otherwise be able to do?

I am not seeing the comp.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
What rights are being denied the former vs the latter? You’re still not making any sense. What is the deadbeat dad in your scenario prevented from doing that he would otherwise be able to do? And what is it the black person in your scenario wouldn’t be able to do that they would otherwise be able to do?

I am not seeing the comp.
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The slave is denied freedom granted to the white person. The man is denied a post conception financial opt out given to the woman


It's quite easy to see
 
vegas giants said:
The slave is denied freedom granted to the white person. The man is denied a post conception financial opt out given to the woman


It's quite easy to see
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How is freedom from a financial obligation the same as being subjugated against your will to provide free labor through threat of violence and death?

It’s not easy to see at all. I’m not even sure if you’ve workshopped this one.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
How is freedom from a financial obligation the same as being subjugated against your will to provide free labor through threat of violence and death?

It’s not easy to see at all. I’m not even sure if you’ve workshopped this one.
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You keep getting this wrong. When have I ever said it was the same? I said it is similar in that both are a denial of civil rights


That's twice now
 
vegas giants said:
You keep getting this wrong. When have I ever said it was the same? I said it is similar in that both are a denial of civil rights


That's twice now
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Right, I’m asking you where the civil rights violation is, you as of yet can’t explain it other than to repeat the words “civil rights violation.”

What do you tell credit card companies after you use their money to buy stuff? Do you explain to them your Financial Opt Out Civil Right?
 
Aunt Antifa said:
Right, I’m asking you where the civil rights violation is, you as of yet can’t explain it other than to repeat the words “civil rights violation.”

What do you tell credit card companies after you use their money to buy stuff? Do you explain to them your Financial Opt Out Civil Right?
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A woman has a post conception financial opt out.


A man is denied that.



Third time.


If a woman does not want to pay for a child for 18 years AFTER she finds out she is pregnant she has recourse.


A man does not.



Shall I repeat that again?
 
SarahSun said:
I dont disagree with that. I think it would be better for the baby's upbringing for the father not to be involved if he doesnt want to be.
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Unfortunately, people often overlook the fact that if a rape victim decides to continue her pregnancy after the child is born the rapeist can request ( and often is grated ) visiting rights to the child.

Where rapists can gain parental rights

www.cnn.com

Where rapists can gain parental rights | CNN

It's an almost unimaginable scenario: a victim of rape being forced to face her attacker over custody rights for a child conceived during an assault.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
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