[W:875] Trump administration 'looking at' suspending habeas corpus, Stephen Miller says (1 Viewer)

[CLAX1911]

I'm always open to other people's perspectives if they're respectful and provide arguments in good faith.

Unless they have a view point different from yours and then you proceed to pester them endlessly for sources. If I thought you were being genuine I would have taken to time to find material. You were being hostile. That gets you nowhere with me.

I'm not if they're arrogant and believe their views are gospel.

Never said my views were gospel and only became combative as a response to you.

It's unfortunate you chose the latter path.

You choose it.

 

[CLAX1911]

I'm always open to other people's perspectives if they're respectful and provide arguments in good faith. I'm not if they're arrogant and believe their views are gospel. It's unfortunate you chose the latter path.

But should you wish to continue I do not hold grudges and am happy to clean the slate.

 

[Xilnik]

Unless they have a view point different from yours and then you proceed to pester them endlessly for sources. If I thought you were being genuine I would have taken to time to find material. You were being hostile. That gets you nowhere with me.

Never said my views were gospel and only became combative as a response to you.

You choose it.

It's your choice to perceive requests for evidence as combative; I wasn't forcing you to respond in any particular way. I was posting with the expectation that we are on a debate forum, and at the very least, that should mean respectful discussion with something other than opinion to back up claims. In my view, you stooped to the derogatory language well in advance, I responded in kind, and then you continued it even after I adjusted my tone to be more civil.

I spent hours painstakingly collecting and analyzing data from ICE earlier in this thread only to have you dismiss it and dismiss me, but you want to make me out to be the bad guy in all this? That's rather abusive behavior.

 

[Jezcoe]

Illegally entering our country is a crime. Illegal aliens are by definition criminals.

Is the punishment for that sending them to a foreign prison to rot?

 

[CLAX1911]

Is the punishment for that sending them to a foreign prison to rot?

I don't understand why this has to be repeated again and again and again. Would be the people being deported to an El Salvadorian prison are gangsters.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Lets see...there are 6 posts who continue to bring up the War Beetween the States, and no bitchin from you? Why is that?

Lees

It’s called the Civil War.

Take your racist confederate nonsense elsewhere.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

I don't understand why this has to be repeated again and again and again. Would be the people being deported to an El Salvadorian prison are gangsters.

You’re lying. 75% of them had no criminal record whatsoever.

 

[CLAX1911]

You’re lying. 75% of them had no criminal record whatsoever.

You don't have to have a criminal record to be part of a gang. So I'm not lying you're making up exceptions. Someone you could have just not ever been caught.

 

[Jezcoe]

You don't have to have a criminal record to be part of a gang. So I'm not lying you're making up exceptions. Someone you could have just not ever been caught.

Not charged with a crime… no due process… no Habeus petition.

Why would anyone want to give the government this kind of power?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

You don't have to have a criminal record to be part of a gang. So I'm not lying you're making up exceptions. Someone you could have just not ever been caught.

So on what basis are you accusing them?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Not charged with a crime… no due process… no Habeus petition.

Why would anyone want to give the government this kind of power?

far right authoritarian fascists want to give the government that kind of power.

 

[CLAX1911]

Not charged with a crime… no due process… no Habeus petition.

They are illegal aliens. What is the process due?

Why would anyone want to give the government this kind of power?

Expel enemy terrorists? Lack of suicidal empathy.

 

[CLAX1911]

So on what basis are you accusing them?

I'm not part of this.

 

[CLAX1911]

far right authoritarian fascists want to give the government that kind of power.

The power to expel illegal enemy terrorists? Maybe I just don't hate my country.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Guess others are aware of Trump baiting imbeciles in the media

Presidents don't troll. Clowns troll. You admitting Trump is a clown?

According to your set of values perhaps.

I am sorry, and I do not mean to insult, but according to any individual with common sense and good breading.

Actions not words. Every politician is a liar.

To some degree I would presume so, but I take notice of the differences in how deep they are willing to lie. Trump is pathological in the depths he will sink to.

So every politician is unfit?

Currently most, yes. Some vastly more unfit than others.

Too bad for you.

And again, Trump is too bad for anyone of common sense and good breeding.

That's why you are lost.

Because I don't think selecting a known person of extraordinary bad character and abysmal ethics for a President is a good idea? If that is lost than count me lost and proudly.

Again too bad for you.

Lacking the ability to discern good from bad and right from wrong isn't a bad thing, so again count me glad to be among those who can.

Or character isn't defined by who you think will be the best in the office of the choice given.

No good character is defined by those whose word is good. Those who do not pay off porn stars and rub their wive's noses in the muck of their public philandering. By those who do not create victims of criminal fraud using fake charities and bogus universities. By people who do not extoll the virtues of, "Grabbing women by the *****". By those who do not welch on their contracts, cheat their bankers and insurers, cheat their government of their military service and the tax man of their fair share.

That Trump is a horrible human being is quite obvious to anyone of any class and common sense.

Why MAGA folk don't realize that doesn't speak well of them. {sorry, but I'd be lying if I said otherwise].

That MAGA folk would select such a despicable lout as their President I can't even be able to begin to make sense of.

After saying that I do mean I wish you well. I hope you change your mind about Trump. Want what you want by way of political agenda or policy, but please consider picking someone less a total cad than Trump to champion it for you. He is an owf, a coward, a bigot, a misogynist. a total fraid and just a plain bad person. A true low life.

We should never elect low lifes to "The Big Chair".

 

[CLAX1911]

Presidents don't troll. Clowns troll. You admitting Trump is a clown?

He apparently chose you and he's the president so you must be wrong.

I am sorry, and I do not mean to insult, but according to any individual with common sense and good breading.



To some degree I would presume so, but I take notice of the differences in how deep they are willing to lie. Trump is pathological in the depths he will sink to.



Currently most, yes. Some vastly more unfit than others.



And again, Trump is too bad for anyone of common sense and good breeding.



Because I don't think selecting a known person of extraordinary bad character and abysmal ethics for a President is a good idea? If that is lost than count me lost and proudly.



Lacking the ability to discern good from bad and right from wrong isn't a bad thing, so again count me glad to be among those who can.




No good character is defined by those whose word is good. Those who do not pay off porn stars and rub their wive's noses in the muck of their public philandering. By those who do not create victims of criminal fraud using fake charities and bogus universities. By people who do not extoll the virtues of, "Grabbing women by the *****". By those who do not welch on their contracts, cheat their bankers and insurers, cheat their government of their military service and the tax man of their fair share.

That Trump is a horrible human being is quite obvious to anyone of any class and common sense.

Why MAGA folk don't realize that doesn't speak well of them. {sorry, but I'd be lying if I said otherwise].

That MAGA folk would select such a despicable lout as their President I can't even be able to begin to make sense of.

After saying that I do mean I wish you well. I hope you change your mind about Trump. Want what you want by way of political agenda or policy, but please consider picking someone less a total cad than Trump to champion it for you. He is an owf, a coward, a bigot, a misogynist. a total fraid and just a plain bad person. A true low life.

We should never elect low lifes to "The Big Chair".

Clutch your pearls and exclaim "well I never"

 

[ModernDiogenes]

He apparently chose you and he's the president so you must be wrong.

Clutch your pearls and exclaim "well I never"

If being unappreciative of lying, hurting others you allegedly care about, scamming, grifting, fraud and deceit is "clutching pearls", than count me among the pearl clutchers.

If supporting those who do such unethical things as the above is what you are about you are on the wrong side of all of this, and you ought to know better.

Seriously, you ought to, and I hope MAGA folk figure that out because no one who supports such nonsense is making America anything but low class and just plain unethical.

 

[CLAX1911]

If being unappreciative of lying, hurting others you allegedly care about, scamming, grifting, fraud and deceit is "clutching pearls", than count me among the pearl clutchers.

If supporting those who do such unethical things as the above is what you are about you are on the wrong side of all of this, and you ought to know better.

Seriously, you ought to, and I hope MAGA folk figure that out because no one who supports such nonsense is making America anything but low class and just plain unethical.

Not interested in the orange man bad crap.

 

[RedAkston]

far right authoritarian fascists want to give the government that kind of power.

Far left authoritarian fascists wanted to do the same 4 years ago. No side should have that power, no matter who is in control.

 

[Ganondagan]

You’re lying. 75% of them had no criminal record whatsoever.

Proof?

 

[snakestretcher]

Just keep breathing that smoke they blow up your backside.

Lees

The South lost. Deal with it and read your own history; you might learn something while hugging that reb flag.

 

[snakestretcher]

Far left authoritarian fascists wanted to do the same 4 years ago. No side should have that power, no matter who is in control.

'Far left' and 'fascist' are polar opposites. Fascism is a far-right political ideology. Mussolini and Hitler were both far-right fascists-the term originated in Mussolini's Italy, and was adopted by Nazi Germany.

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[snakestretcher]

The Democratic party sees extremely bigoted.

In what way?

 

[snakestretcher]

Again, your opinion means nothing. You say a lot, but provide nothing to disprove what I have said.

The only one posting shit at this time is you. Feel free to prove me wrong.

And, in the mean time, keep bending over and breathing and belching that smoke they blow up your...backside.

Lees

Everyone has proven you wrong; you don't even know your own history! 4:30am, 12 April, 1861, Confederates attacked Sumter. The South started the war. Period. I'm English and better informed than you. How embarrassing.

 

[Ganondagan]

Is the punishment for that sending them to a foreign prison to rot?

Somtimes. Get them the hell out of our country at the very least.