[W:875] Trump administration 'looking at' suspending habeas corpus, Stephen Miller says

[RaleBulgarian]

If they were being put in jail here you'd have a point. If it's punishment for them to return home why didn't they make the proper claims for asylum at a port of entry?

My point is that you’re lying, pitifully and embarrassingly so.

Took less than two minutes to locate one of your posts accurately stating that illegal migrants have committed a crime.

Bet I can find several more of your posts saying the same.

 

[Xilnik]

That's not everybody that is deported so far I know if only two people. Who else?

Oh, just the 200+ sent in one group, 300 in another group, etc.

“'If they bring Kilmar back, then there’s still hope that they could bring the more than 200 Venezuelan men back as well,' Bonilla said. 'But when I see Trump talk like this, every day I lose more hope.'

Austria Pulgar, 65, whose son is also in El Salvador, said Trump’s latest comments 'are so unjust. The Venezuelan men have no reason to be there. They have wrongly accused people and sent them to El Salvador without a chance to defend themselves.' She denies her son has gang ties.​

Anguished families are losing hope as they can’t reach loved ones sent to El Salvador mega-prison

The men are expected to be held for at least a year in a prison system that has faced multiple allegations of human rights abuses.

www.nbcnews.com

"All of this culminated on March 15, when the Trump administration rushed nearly 300 people onto three planes bound for El Salvador, including 238 Venezuelans accused of being members of the Venezuelan gang 'Tren de Aragua' and 23 Salvadorans accused of being members of MS-13. Over 130 Venezuelans had pending immigration court hearings and had never been ordered removed under immigration law."​

These Men Were Deported to El Salvador With No Due Process. Their Stories Show Why an Investigation Is Necessary - American Immigration Council

Multiple cases strongly suggest that the Trump administration wrongfully sent many people to the El Salvador mega prison.

immigrationimpact.com

 

[CLAX1911]

My point is that you’re lying, pitifully and embarrassingly so.

You haven't shown a lie.

Took less than two minutes to locate one of your posts accurately stating that illegal migrants have committed a crime.

That they aren't sentenced to penal action for. So what lie

Bet I can find several more of your posts saying the same.

Only if you think being in Honduras or Mexico is punishment.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

What lie?

They aren't being accused of a crime ..

 

[Ethel2]

Well determined to be gang members.

He doesn't. You take account of their affiliations and tattoos. It's not rocket science.

Is getting a tattoo or choosing your own friends illegal now-and I missed it?
Your posts here are so full of bs…

 

[CLAX1911]

Oh, just the 200+ sent in one group, 300 in another group, etc.

“'If they bring Kilmar back, then there’s still hope that they could bring the more than 200 Venezuelan men back as well,' Bonilla said. 'But when I see Trump talk like this, every day I lose more hope.'​

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Austria Pulgar, 65, whose son is also in El Salvador, said Trump’s latest comments 'are so unjust. The Venezuelan men have no reason to be there. They have wrongly accused people and sent them to El Salvador without a chance to defend themselves.' She denies her son has gang ties.​

Are we talking about is citizens or illegal aliens?

Anguished families are losing hope as they can’t reach loved ones sent to El Salvador mega-prison

The men are expected to be held for at least a year in a prison system that has faced multiple allegations of human rights abuses.

www.nbcnews.com

"All of this culminated on March 15, when the Trump administration rushed nearly 300 people onto three planes bound for El Salvador, including 238 Venezuelans accused of being members of the Venezuelan gang 'Tren de Aragua' and 23 Salvadorans accused of being members of MS-13. Over 130 Venezuelans had pending immigration court hearings and had never been ordered removed under immigration law."​

These Men Were Deported to El Salvador With No Due Process. Their Stories Show Why an Investigation Is Necessary - American Immigration Council

Multiple cases strongly suggest that the Trump administration wrongfully sent many people to the El Salvador mega prison.

immigrationimpact.com

What does it mean to be a gang member? Nobody approaches this.

 

[CLAX1911]

My point is that you’re lying, pitifully and embarrassingly so.

Took less than two minutes to locate one of your posts accurately stating that illegal migrants have committed a crime.

Bet I can find several more of your posts saying the same.

Next time leave it in context.

 

[CLAX1911]

I never saw him deny it.

When have you seen him suggest the Aryan race is superior? What makes someone a Nazi?

He derided the accusation, but ai never saw him gently it. If you can provide evidence of this, I'd appreciate it.

I haven't heard him suggest he is a Nazi. So what makes someone a Nazi? What does that even mean?

 

[CLAX1911]

Is getting a tattoo or choosing your own friends illegal now-and I missed it?

What's a gang?

Your posts here are so full of bs…

No, I didn't deny the existence of gangs. Particularly ones involved in criminal enterprise.

Answer the above question please.

 

[Xilnik]

Are we talking about is citizens or illegal aliens?

What does it mean to be a gang member? Nobody approaches this.

It doesn’t matter whether we’re talking about citizens or illegal aliens when discussing criminal accusations. The 5th Amendment guarantees due process rights to all individuals within U.S. jurisdiction, meaning both citizens and noncitizens have the right to a legal defense when facing accusations. That’s why they should receive a fair hearing before being detained, imprisoned, or deported.

Regarding gang membership, the issue is that individuals are being labeled as gang members and deported without clear evidence. Simply having tattoos, affiliations, or living in certain neighborhoods shouldn’t be enough to justify removal or imprisonment. False accusations can lead to serious consequences, which is why legal hearings are essential before taking irreversible action.

 

[j brown's body]

When have you seen him suggest the Aryan race is superior? What makes someone a Nazi?

I haven't heard him suggest he is a Nazi. So what makes someone a Nazi? What does that even mean?

You said he denied it. I don't believe he did. Hate to see you labor unnecessarily under a false assumption.

I didn't say he was a Nazi. But he did do a Nazi salute. And this:

Verified pro-Nazi X accounts flourish under Elon Musk

An NBC News review identified 150 verified "Premium" accounts that have posted or amplified pro-Nazi content.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[CLAX1911]

It doesn’t matter whether we’re talking about citizens or illegal aliens when discussing criminal accusations. The 5th Amendment guarantees due process rights to all individuals within U.S. jurisdiction,

When were talking about sentencing them to some sort of penalty sure. We're talking about sending them home.

meaning both citizens and noncitizens have the right to a legal defense when facing accusations. That’s why they should receive a fair hearing before being detained, imprisoned, or deported.

A hearing to determine what exactly?

Regarding gang membership, the issue is that individuals are being labeled as gang members and deported without clear evidence.

What is a gang? You will not get me to engage with this until you answer this

Simply having tattoos, affiliations, or living in certain neighborhoods shouldn’t be enough to justify removal or imprisonment. False accusations can lead to serious consequences, which is why legal hearings are essential before taking irreversible action.

Well it's not just having tattoos it's specific tattoos and having particular affiliations. If you don't accept this why have police at all?

 

[braindrain]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/05/09/trump-deportation-habeas-corpus-miller.html

Fascists are gonna fascist.
This man is as physically grotesque as his Nazi adjacent ideology is.

Hopefully if these idiots try this they immediately get slapped down by the court.

And frankly it should be enough to impeach trump. Not that I have any faith in that happening.

 

[CLAX1911]

You said he denied it.

I'll accept that I may have been mistaken.

How is he a Nazi?

I don't believe he did. Hate to see you labor unnecessarily under a false assumption.

I didn't say he was a Nazi. But he did do a Nazi salute. And this:

I didn't see him do a Nazi salute

Verified pro-Nazi X accounts flourish under Elon Musk

An NBC News review identified 150 verified "Premium" accounts that have posted or amplified pro-Nazi content.

www.nbcnews.com

All sorts of other whackos have verified accounts on x it's a free speech platform. Do you think free speech is Nazi behavior?

 

[Ethel2]

What's a gang?

No, I didn't deny the existence of gangs. Particularly ones involved in criminal enterprise.

Answer the above question please.

Sure
A gang commonly refers to a group of people who participate in illegal activities.
However, do you think that everyone in a gang has participated in an illegal activity? And is joining a gang in and of itself a crime here? Or is it the illegal activity that is a crime?
Now YOU answer the questions.

I’ll help you out:

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• Elements of the Offense:
  To be found guilty under § 186.22, the prosecution must prove that the individual:
  • Was a member of a criminal street gang.
    
    
  • Willfully promoted, furthered, or assisted in any felony committed by a gang member. ”

  California Penal Code § [Section] 186.22(a) – Criminal Street Gang Activity | Kann California Defense Group

  California Gang Activity Law under Penal Code Section 186.22 Explained in Detail. Learn the definition of the charge along with potential punishments and legal defenses as explained by licensed California Criminal Defense Attorneys.

  www.kannlawoffice.com
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• Has Garcia been charged with a crime in connection with a gang?

 

[Xilnik]

When were talking about sentencing them to some sort of penalty sure. We're talking about sending them home.

A hearing to determine what exactly?

What is a gang? You will not get me to engage with this until you answer this

Well it's not just having tattoos it's specific tattoos and having particular affiliations. If you don't accept this why have police at all?

"When we're talking about sentencing them to some sort of penalty, sure. We're talking about sending them home."
Deportation isn’t just a simple “ride home”—it often carries serious consequences. Being forcibly removed from a country can separate individuals from their families, place them in dangerous conditions, or even send them to a country they have no real ties to. That’s why due process matters, especially when someone is accused of gang membership without clear evidence—because deportation isn’t always fair or straightforward.

"A hearing to determine what exactly?"
A hearing would determine whether an individual is actually a gang member, rather than assuming based on appearance, affiliations, or unverified claims. Many people are being labeled as gang members without evidence, making wrongful deportations more likely. If gang membership is used as a justification for deportation, shouldn't there be proof before taking action?

"What is a gang? You will not get me to engage with this until you answer this."
The legal definition of a gang varies, but broadly speaking, it refers to an organized group involved in criminal activity. The problem here isn’t defining what a gang is; it’s that individuals are being accused of gang membership without sufficient evidence. If deportation is justified based on gang affiliation, there needs to be a fair process to confirm actual membership, rather than relying on assumptions.

"Well, it's not just having tattoos. It's specific tattoos and particular affiliations. If you don't accept this, why have police at all?"
Law enforcement exists to uphold justice based on evidence, not assumptions. While certain tattoos or affiliations may indicate gang membership, they aren’t proof of criminal activity. That’s why we have due process to ensure people aren’t wrongfully targeted or punished without fair investigation. If simply having a tattoo or association with certain people is enough for deportation, where is the legal safeguard against mistakes or abuse of power?

 

[CLAX1911]

Sure
A gang commonly refers to a group of people who participate in illegal activities.

So it's who you affiliate with?

However, do you think that everyone in a gang has participated in an illegal activity?

MS 13 yes. In order to be a member you have to murder a rival gang member.

And is joining a gang in and of itself a crime here?

MS 13 yes. Murder is a crime here.

Or is it the illegal activity that is a crime?

Is murder illegal activity?

Now YOU answer the questions.

I would say emphatically yes you must commit a crime a violent egregious crime in order to be in MS 13.

 

[Ethel2]

So it's who you affiliate with?

MS 13 yes. In order to be a member you have to murder a rival gang member.

MS 13 yes. Murder is a crime here.

Is murder illegal activity?

I would say emphatically yes you must commit a crime a violent egregious crime in order to be in MS 13.

Had Garcia been charged with a single crime in this country?
Yes or no
As an aside the government offered no proof in court that he even belongs to a gang other than his tattoos. Tattoos aren’t sufficient evidence to prove anything.

 

[phoenix2020]

You've missed everything about the armed forces vs Trump and vice versa. You are wrong about the armed forces where Trump has found out he hasn't any "yes" loyalists. Not only that, you've really missed the whole thing about the armed forces vs Trump that I've been posting for years.

My summary statement is that 98.6% of Americans have no clue of their armed forces. I just filed your post in with that bunch.

Incorrect, it turns out that it is you who has missed everything about Trump and his relationship with armed forces. The first evidence of this is how you appear to have thought that I was referring exclusively to the army or navy, when they are just a percentage of the total armed forces under Donald’s command. There’s the FBI, doing his bidding without question. There is a US marshals service, also doing his bidding without question. Oh, there’s also ATF and CBP and ICE, and this may come as a surprise to you, but they are also doing Donald’s bidding. Each one of these groups has thousands if not tens of thousands of armed personnel, fully empowered to detain, arrest and throw you in jail if they find cause and all of these many three letter agencies report directly to Donald, and are led by leaders entirely loyal to him, and will do his bidding, regardless of what the Supreme Court thinks about it.

Oh, and there’s also the traditional Armed Forces too. They will follow Pete’s orders, or be replaced by those who will. And given that a solid 30% of the American population has pledged unending loyalty to Donald and it’s not unreasonable to assume that this percentage carries over into the military, it’s safe to say that there are hundreds of thousands of active on duty soldiers who consider themselves loyal first and foremost to Donald J Trump.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Next time leave it in context.

The context is that you lied when you claimed that the illegal migrants facing deportation to El Salvador “aren't being accused of a crime”.

On it’s face, an embarrassingly foolish, dishonest attempt to ignore the reality of Traitor Trump’s unconstitutional tactic of denying due process.

 

[Xilnik]

Had Garcia been charged with a single crime in this country?
Yes or no
As an aside the government offered no proof in court that he even belongs to a gang other than his tattoos. Tattoos aren’t sufficient evidence to prove anything.

You forgot the Bulls hat. Michael Jordan must have been MS-13 too. I saw him wear the same hat during the Bulls' championship parades.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

… it’s safe to say that there are hundreds of thousands of active on duty soldiers who consider themselves loyal first and foremost to Donald J Trump.

It isn’t at all safe to say.

In fact, your claim is completely unsupportable horse shit.

 

[Ethel2]

You forgot the Bulls hat. Michael Jordan must have been MS-13 too. I saw him wear the same hat during the Bulls' championship parades.

Arrest the bastard then!
The issue is this: whether Garcia was in a gang or not is debatable-but what is not debatable is that he has never been charged-let alone convicted-of a single crime in this country. It’s not a crime to simply be in a gang. You actually have to be convicted of participating in a crime.

 

[CLAX1911]

"When we're talking about sentencing them to some sort of penalty, sure. We're talking about sending them home."
Deportation isn’t just a simple “ride home”—it often carries serious consequences.

If you're an illegal alien and this is the case go to a Port of entry and request asylum

Being forcibly removed from a country can separate individuals from their families,

That's their choice.

place them in dangerous conditions, or even send them to a country they have no real ties to.

And?

That’s why due process matters, especially when someone is accused of gang membership without clear evidence—because deportation isn’t always fair or straightforward.

So when we are just deporting the average Joe home. What's the process due after they are determined to be illegal aliens?

"A hearing to determine what exactly?"
A hearing would determine whether an individual is actually a gang member, rather than assuming based on appearance, affiliations, or unverified claims.

So you show the jury his tattoos and affiliations and that they are known MS-13 them you can send them to El Salvador prison?

Many people are being labeled as gang members without evidence,

Prove it?

making wrongful deportations more likely. If gang membership is used as a justification for deportation, shouldn't there be proof before taking action?

Well it's not being an illegal alien is the justification of deportation.

"What is a gang? You will not get me to engage with this until you answer this."
The legal definition of a gang varies, but broadly speaking, it refers to an organized group involved in criminal activity. The problem here isn’t defining what a gang is; it’s that individuals are being accused of gang membership without sufficient evidence.

What would be sufficient evidence?

If deportation is justified based on gang affiliation, there needs to be a fair process to confirm actual membership, rather than relying on assumptions.

Deportation is justified in the basis that they are illegal aliens.

"Well, it's not just having tattoos. It's specific tattoos and particular affiliations. If you don't accept this, why have police at all?"
Law enforcement exists to uphold justice based on evidence, not assumptions.

If there can be no evidence you are in a gang outside of the only

While certain tattoos or affiliations may indicate gang membership, they aren’t proof of criminal activity.

But to ignore evidence is foolish.

That’s why we have due process to ensure people aren’t wrongfully targeted or punished without fair investigation.

Being returned home isn't punishment.

If simply having a tattoo or association with certain people is enough for deportation, where is the legal safeguard against mistakes or abuse of power?

There doesn't need to be if you are an illegal alien you are subject to deportation

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I didn't see him do a Nazi salute

Here is your detailed analysis of the MAJOR differences between Musk "just making a gesture based on political parties" [which political parties?]
and a True Nazi Salute™


a True Nazi Salute™ according to @CLAX1911

...bring his arm to his shoulder holding his hand flat with the Palm facing the floor and then straighten his elbow to where his hand was pointed upward.

whereas Musk only

[Musk] placed his palm flat against his chest where his heart is not where his shoulder is.

Here in this demonstration you can see the stark differences outlined by @CLAX1911

Pay special attention to ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL details like the distance between the hand and the shoulder and the direction of the palm

You can use this image to help you visualize where the heart and shoulder are in relation to one another:

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