[W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

[SonOfDaedalus]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

I guess you missed this thread:

Your point is that Trump is a president unfairly persecuted by the press.

But you have to admit that any other politician would have been forced to resign a long time ago. Trump actually gets a break because his supporters will defend anything he does or says.

You can't honestly believe that Obama or Bush could have gotten away with the things Trump has said. I've seen political careers destroyed over one misstatement.

Again, you can't honestly believe that the press is being harder on Trump here. I know Trump claims to "take no responsibility" but surely you can hold him responsible for the things he says. There is absolutely no reason to opine with his medical ideas.

 

[reflechissez]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Thats some interesting stuff you found but I dont know why you're bothering. The Trump bigots are blind with hate for the nsn and nothing you or I can say or do will change thier minds.

I happened to catch the update that is their latest outrage over. Trump did not suggest people do anything. He turned to his health team and floated the idea to them in the form of a question. They are trying to make a big deal out of nothing most likely because it distracted everyone from the fact that the new information was hopeful. They have an agenda and its doom and gloom. They are desperate to place blame on Trump for all the pain inflicted on us.
It wont be long before he says something that they will invent a new faux outrage over.

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Most questions are statements in disguise.

 

[trouble13]

Re: Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Ok, man...cuz standing in front of a nation and saying things, as their president, shouldn't mean anything.

Of course his statements carry the weight of the presidency behind them. I think most people understand that many opinions the office holder forms come from the benefit of access to information the rest of us dont have. I extend all presidents a limited amount of blond faith based on that knowledge.

Do you actually believe the BS you're typing right now?

100%

Seriously, I'm asking with all sincerity. Do you believe your guy is doing the best job possible? Because your infection rate would suggest otherwise.

It depends on how you define the word best but overall I think Trump has been a good job with managing the crisis overall. Not perfect but overall I think he has managed it as well as can be expected and most likely better than most others would if they were in his position.



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[trouble13]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

:lamo That's some critical thinking.



I'm all good. But.....

He's in his silk jammies, with greasy kfc fingers virtually hugging you close. And you've been on this thread saying "hold me close Trumpy" like Melania said to Trudeau. Seriously enjoy it you probably don't have a lot of time to change things.

Is your post an example of what you think critical thinking consists of?

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[trouble13]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Most questions are statements in disguise.

If you subscribe to the propaganda the MSM masquerades as objective journalism I can see how you might believe that.

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[SonOfDaedalus]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

But my points still stand unrefuted by you and everyone else "arguing."

1. Trump was not asking a stupid question.

2. It IS up to the experts to decide what is and is not efficacious, and worthy of use as a treatment.

Trump didn't ask a question. He made a suggestion to doctors. The doctors didn't want to hurt his ego so they placated him by saying "we'll look into it." Think about how little respect they have for this man to say something like that to him.

And yes, it was a stupid suggestion. If anything it's stupid merely because he believes that he could have some good suggestions that all the doctors and scientists in the world haven't already considered.

Also, you're choosing his most defensible suggestion about a "disinfectant" and ignoring the absurd suggestion about UV light in the body.

I guess if we could find some amazing agent that kills coronavirus but doesn't do much harm to other cells and organs, then that would be great. But that's like saying find a cure that we can inject into the body. Is that a suggestion? If he can't name a specific "disinfectant" doesn't that make it a stupid suggestion?

It's like saying, "Oh you have cancer. I have an idea. What if you injected some kind of disinfectant that kills cancer?" We know that chemotherapies exist but is the suggestion at all helpful without some specific agent? Wouldn't a rational person assume that scientists are testing all kinds of agents and drugs already?

And the idea about UV light in the body shows an ignorance of basic science.
Again, you're ignoring the fact that the experts are forced to humor him because his comment is just so stupid. Do you really believe they're "looking into it"?

Finally, you're defending statements that Trump has disowned.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Interesting. This is different from what I learned in bio and microbiology but those were decades ago in college. OTOH, I have kept up a great deal with epidemiology.

I had learned that regular soap only acted mechanically on microbes. The lye/base in soap interacted with the phospho-lipid layer of the skin, which softened in hot water, and germs/microbes were washed away. I have never read that this interaction also affects the protein coating on viruses.

But I went and found a few sources to verify...and so now I have learned something new. Thank you.

Yeah, until this crisis I had no idea soap was so effective. Now I use it for everything.

 

[BlueTex]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

No he wasn't wrong, those studies were all severely methodologically flawed and doctors around the world are reporting very positive results. And the claim that a drug that's been around for decades and is sold over the counter in dozens of countries is too dangerous to study is just completely absurd. Let's not be naive here, there are many incentives for researchers to tank chloroquine with junk science, big pharma funds a lot of research and all the public health and regulatory bodies are revolving doors for the pharmaceutical industry.

From the FDA on Friday

FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems | FDA


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[Michael Cole]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

You mean the level of truth seeking? Rather than simply buying a news report hook, line, and sinker?

Well, some of us prefer to look at the facts ourselves, rather than subsisting on things that reinforce confirmation bias. :coffeepap:

So, when Trump says you can jump out of a plane without a parachute, you'll do it right? I know you will, because I'll show you an article about someone who survived. You'll do it, right?

(Nothing screams "reinforce" like searching for obscure articles on the internet.)

 

[snakestretcher]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Peroxide is a solution made up of hydrogen and oxygen.

No it's not. H2O2 is a molecule, not a solution, usually used in the form of a dilute solution. See Hydrogen peroxide - Wikipedia. One-hundred percent H2O2 is highly explosive as well. Oxygen-oxygen bonds contain a lot of energy. Thirty percent peroxide will burn your skin.

H2O2 is used with stabilizers, many of which are solids that would remain in your lungs & have unknown long-term respiratory effects. Partial list: Common stabilizers include: Colloidal stannate and sodium pyrophosphate (present at 25 - 250 mg/L) are traditional mainstays. ... Colloidal silicate is used to sequester metals and thereby minimize H2O2 decomposition in certain applications that depend on the bleaching ability of H2O2 in alkali.

Hitler's Me163 'Komet' rocket plane was partially powered by hydrogen peroxide ('T-Stoff'). It was dangerously explosive.

The Survivors: Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet “The Devil’s Sled” – Aces Flying High

 

[Jean-s]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Only an idiot would say that injecting Cillit-Bang into a person suffering from Covid-19 could cure the patient in a minute. I am beyond being shocked at anything said by Donald Trump.

 

[Hawkeye10]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Only an idiot would say that injecting Cillit-Bang into a person suffering from Covid-19 could cure the patient in a minute. I am beyond being shocked at anything said by Donald Trump.

Only an idiot would think other than the saying so was either a joke, or a Dog Whistle to the Modern Morons.




OOPS!

 

[Hawkeye10]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Only an idiot would say that injecting Cillit-Bang into a person suffering from Covid-19 could cure the patient in a minute. I am beyond being shocked at anything said by Donald Trump.

Only an idiot would think other than the saying so was either a joke, or a Dog Whistle to the Modern Morons.




OOPS!

 

[Gaius46]

Re: Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

The complaint against Trump is childish. Its OK when Fauci floats an idea or Cuomo floats one and thats fine because you spprove of thise opinions. When someone floats sn idea you dont like, rather than say you disagree with him, we have to endure this nonsense of anyone who has an opinion that isnt approved of by certain people, should not be allowed to express it. Its rather arrogant and selfserving to elect yourselves as judge and jury

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Fauci wasn’t floating an idea and neither was Cuomo. Neither was putting something out there to see what the reaction would be. Both were statement what they thought needed to be done.

Trump was improvising. He clearly was making it up on the spot. Again do you really think he ran those ideas by ANYONE? Do you really think he asked Fauci or Brix about getting uv light into a body? Do you really think he asked them about using disinfectants to control coronavirus once someone has it?

Do you really think either of them told him “yes Mr President that is certainly plausible and something the American people need to know.”

Do you really think the president should be making stuff up on the fly in the middle of an emergency?

 

[roguenuke]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Sarcastic or not he did not suggest anyone inject bleach into their body as you others are falsley trying to claim.

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He did suggest that injecting disinfectants into the body should be tested, and the only two disinfectants mentioned in that briefing prior to that statement were bleach and isopropyl alcohol.

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[Michael Cole]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

You Trump haters and your lies! Trump didn't say drive your car off a cliff. He said drive your vehicle off a cliff.

Stop the Liberal Lies!!!

 

[Gaius46]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Trump was clearly joining in with Bryan, his guest during the news briefing yesterday. Even Dr. Birx said as much. She said he was thinking out loud, and brainstorming with his guest.

Trump should have simply said that is what he was going instead of saying he was just being sarcastic.
I fault Trump only for lying about his intention, but I sure as hell am not going to pay attention to those who deliberately lie about what he said. Trump's worst critics hate that he lies, so be a good role model, and stop lying about what Trump said yesterday at his presser.

Jesus H Christ even if that’s true you do not “brain storm” on national TV while trying to update the nation on a national emergency. Is that really so bleeding hard to understand?

 

[Manc Skipper]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Move to spain

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Why? Stay there and make America better than this.

 

[Gaius46]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Hitler's Me163 'Komet' rocket plane was partially powered by hydrogen peroxide ('T-Stoff'). It was dangerously explosive.

The Survivors: Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet “The Devil’s Sled” – Aces Flying High

I think the Space Shuttle’s attitude thrusters also used hydrogen peroxide.

 

[snakestretcher]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

I think the Space Shuttle’s attitude thrusters also used hydrogen peroxide.

Interesting, thanks.

 

[Manc Skipper]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

He did suggest that injecting disinfectants into the body should be tested, and the only two disinfectants mentioned in that briefing prior to that statement were bleach and isopropyl alcohol.

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He also burbled something about injecting uv light too. Getting the light inside could be a problem, but he's been fond of a second amendment solution in the past..

 

[Manc Skipper]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Only an idiot would think other than the saying so was either a joke, or a Dog Whistle to the Modern Morons.




OOPS!

...and the modern morons rushed to defend their Dear Leader...

 

[Michael Cole]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Perhaps thats true. Its a matter of debatable opinion but its a fair position to hold. However thats not what has been the criticism suggested in this thread.
His critics have been attempting to be dishonest and oppressive.

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Oppressive?

 

[Michael Cole]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

The chances of Trump even being aware of this obscure piece of research are next to zero. The f***er pulled it out of his ass.

Just to be clear, the OP presented no research. It's an opinion piece written on April 9th by this guy:

Paul Ebeling
Paul A. Ebeling, polymath, excels in diverse fields of knowledge. Pattern Recognition Analyst in Equities, Commodities and Foreign Exchange and author of “The Red Roadmaster’s Technical Report” on the US Major Market Indices™, a highly regarded, weekly financial market letter, he is also a philosopher, issuing insights on a wide range of subjects to a following of over 250,000 cohorts. An international audience of opinion makers, business leaders, and global organizations recognizes Ebeling as an expert.

All the OP proves is that Trump is one idiot among many.

 

[trouble13]

Re: Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Fauci wasn’t floating an idea and neither was Cuomo. Neither was putting something out there to see what the reaction would be. Both were statement what they thought needed to be done.

Trump was improvising. He clearly was making it up on the spot. Again do you really think he ran those ideas by ANYONE? Do you really think he asked Fauci or Brix about getting uv light into a body? Do you really think he asked them about using disinfectants to control coronavirus once someone has it?

Do you really think either of them told him “yes Mr President that is certainly plausible and something the American people need to know.”

Do you really think the president should be making stuff up on the fly in the middle of an emergency?

I know cuomo was massively off on the number of ventilators he said he would need and fauci was massively off on the death count, both of which were floated during pressers.

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