[W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

[Lursa]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

A disinfectant is not discriminating. It wouldn't just kill the virus. It would kill your cells too and compromise your breathing.

For example, soap absolutely destroys the virus. But if you ingest soap it will absolutely destroy your internal organs. You wouldn't want to coat your airways in soap.

Whoa. What soap destroys the virus? Where is this published?

Certainly not any soap you find in a grocery store.

 

[Variant]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Whoa. What soap destroys the virus? Where is this published?

Certainly not any soap you find in a grocery store.

Soap (yes plain old soap) has always been good against viruses.

Viruses, such as covid 19 have a small lipid bylayer that is poorly protected compared to human cells.

The science of soap – here’s how it kills the coronavirus | Pall Thordarson | Opinion | The Guardian

They fall apart when touched by surfactants such as soap that rip viruses apart with ease.

Viruses are generally very fragile, there is no end of what we can do to kill them on surfaces and skin.

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[Hatuey]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Please, don't nebulize hydrogen peroxide.


Я Баба Яга [emoji328]

 

[trouble13]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

We're not in your cult, trouble13. No matter how many times you try whitewashing this we know what we heard and it's on record.

Its too what you heard isnt what he said

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[DiAnna]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Cut the crap and accept reality:

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Succinct. To the Point. With illustrations.

I approve.

 

[trouble13]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

You'll need to try again. The man made an idiotic comment, got called out, lied that he was just being sarcastic and you're busy trying to pretzel it into "Trump wasn't wrong". If there was a chance in hell that he reads in here he'd be reading your posts and others; looking in the mirror and saying "I love the poorly uneducated". :lamo

Try again?
Im not sure I can dumb it down any simpler for you.
I am not defending his opinion as right, only his right to express it.
Its pathetic how intimidated the left is of opinions that dont coincide with their agenda. To the point that people like yourself do your very best (which isnt very impressive) to try to take away the right to express views contrary to your own.

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[Lursa]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Soap (yes plain old soap) has always been good against viruses.

Viruses, such as covid 19 have a small lipid bylayer that is poorly protected compared to human cells.

The science of soap – here’s how it kills the coronavirus | Pall Thordarson | Opinion | The Guardian

They fall apart when touched by surfactants such as soap that rip viruses apart with ease.

Viruses are generally very fragile, there is no end of what we can do to kill them on surfaces and skin.

YouTube

Interesting. This is different from what I learned in bio and microbiology but those were decades ago in college. OTOH, I have kept up a great deal with epidemiology.

I had learned that regular soap only acted mechanically on microbes. The lye/base in soap interacted with the phospho-lipid layer of the skin, which softened in hot water, and germs/microbes were washed away. I have never read that this interaction also affects the protein coating on viruses.

But I went and found a few sources to verify...and so now I have learned something new. Thank you.

 

[Cardinal]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Its too what you heard isnt what he said

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Attributing quotes to me that I didn't say is against the rules. Thank you.

 

[trouble13]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

I would suggest

Time and Place, a news briefing asking medical professionals on looking into some brainstormed idea's is not the place or time to bring them up. Behind closed doors is a much better time and place to ask those questions

Perhaps thats true. Its a matter of debatable opinion but its a fair position to hold. However thats not what has been the criticism suggested in this thread.
His critics have been attempting to be dishonest and oppressive.

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[trouble13]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Attributing quotes to me that I didn't say is against the rules. Thank you.

Where did i do that?

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[SkyFox76]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Or not. Regardless you keep ignoring the points.

1. Trump's question is no longer "stupid," and

2. It would be up to the "experts" to determine the efficacy...not you or I; or the MSM.

Do you really not see the problem here?

He rambled into a word salad of comments that then became a huge topic because it was so stupid and it was dangerous.

When asked to clarify today, he didn't say----yeah I didn't word that right, what I meant was..... And explain his stance.

Instead he made his point even more stupid by suggesting he was asking a sarcastic question to a reporter. I mean c'mon!! That is stupid beyond 1st grade.

But while Trump is trying to save his dumb ass, his supporters scour the internet and find something that can pretzel into---HE KNEW!!!!!!! Yet this morning he didn't go with "look at this!!!".

He went with "I was being sarcastic".

What is the view like from under the bus?

 

[SkyFox76]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Try again?
Im not sure I can dumb it down any simpler for you.
I am not defending his opinion as right, only his right to express it.
Its pathetic how intimidated the left is of opinions that dont coincide with their agenda. To the point that people like yourself do your very best (which isnt very impressive) to try to take away the right to express views contrary to your own.

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You may have missed this but, our entire world is getting buried alive. Our own country has 925,232 cases and 52,193 dead. The closest country behind us is Spain at 219,764.

And I (we) don't need it dumbed down by someone like you. Trump has been dumbing it down for almost two months when he walks out there and plays mini rally.

 

[trouble13]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

You may have missed this but, our entire world is getting buried alive. Our own country has 925,232 cases and 52,193 dead. The closest country behind us is Spain at 219,764.

And I (we) don't need it dumbed down by someone like you. Trump has been dumbing it down for almost two months when he walks out there and plays mini rally.

Move to spain

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[JasperL]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Don't know if this was ever published or not, but treating coronaviruses through alcohol inhalation has definitely been proposed before. You'd have to watch the quantity, because too much could easily make you much more susceptible to infection.

"Possibility of Disinfection of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) in Human Respiratory Tract by Controlled Ethanol Vapor Inhalation"
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2003/2003.12444.pdf

Goodness... I guess when Trump leaves office he has a budding future as a quack cure promoter, Trump branded of course.

I actually read some of that nonsense. The discussion is pretty funny:

6. Discussions
The proposal discussed in this paper is still conceptual. We need further study on the following
issues.
(1) At this moment on March 2020, the author does not have reliable data on the ethanol
concentration required for disinfection of SARS-CoV-2. The author would like to ask
collaborators to perform experiment on this virus as soon as possible in any laboratory capable
of handling the virus safely.
...
(5) Alcohol inhalation is equivalent to “smoking ethanol vapor”. It will be required to discuss how
to control applications to persons below the age of legal consumption of alcohol, and also for
elderly people.
....
(7) Once a day will be enough. It is better to perform this method at dinner time, and should not
drive car right after this.

LMMFAO. Shorter, we don't have even the slightest bit of data, don't even know how much it takes to kill the virus, but this is like smoking alcohol and will get you drunk, once a day is plenty, but don't drink and drive!

:2rofll:

 

[Cardinal]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Where did i do that?

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Once again, you have quoted me as saying something that I didn't actually say. Stop this at once.

 

[Captain Adverse]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Do you really not see the problem here?

Yes, but it isn't the problem you want me to see.

He rambled into a word salad of comments that then became a huge topic because it was so stupid and it was dangerous.

No, it was made much of by the MSM. THAT is what made it a problem, especially with their extreme mischaracterizations. "Inject Lysol?" Really? :roll:

When asked to clarify today, he didn't say----yeah I didn't word that right, what I meant was..... And explain his stance.

Instead he made his point even more stupid by suggesting he was asking a sarcastic question to a reporter. I mean c'mon!! That is stupid beyond 1st grade.

I have already agreed that he was trying to cover badly for his question. I have already pointed out what I would have advised had I been in his inner circle...and were he willing to listen.

But while Trump is trying to save his dumb ass, his supporters scour the internet and find something that can pretzel into---HE KNEW!!!!!!!

WRONG!

My point was never to assert "he knew." My point was that his question was not necessarily stupid. That it was an honest question from a layman who wondered if there was something in what they said that could be used to help.

Yet this morning he didn't go with "look at this!!!".

He went with "I was being sarcastic".

Yes, and I have already agreed that this was a mistake on his part. He should have addressed the issue with more candor, either to make light of his mistake, or explain what he meant by his question.

What is the view like from under the bus?

I think this is supposed to be some kind of personal insult. When people do this in an argument it means they have lost it, and are trying to deflect by denigrating their opponent. :naughty

 

[OlNate]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Dr Deborah Birx, an expert on the White House Covid-19 task force, has said the country has "one of the lowest mortality rates in the entire world".

"On a per capita basis the current reported US death rate is lower than Spain, Italy, France, Belgium and the UK."

Coronavirus: US death toll passes 50,000 in world's deadliest outbreak - BBC News

Actually, you're the 10th highest in the world.

• Coronavirus deaths per million by country 2020 | Statista

 

[Lursa]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

He doubtless heard someone yakking about different ways the virus can be killed, and decided to blather about what he thought he heard or was briefed on. On live TV. Broadcast nationally. During a briefing designed to inform the nation on the status of our battle against a virus.

It was a total lack of the kind of common sense and judgement you'd expect your average High School kid to have a grip on.

Here's why, IMO:

It's the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days).​

 

[OlNate]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Your applying double standard in your logic. Your holding Trump accountable for covid-19 deaths for suggesting it wasnt as serious as some were making it out to be and based on how that affected some peoples behavior. You are holding Trump accountable for the negative consequences associsted to that.
Fauci and others played on peoples fears and expressed with sn urgency the need for everyone to stay home but you excuse him of any responsibility for the negatives consequences that resulted from his recommendation. Your perspective is very partisan whether you see it or not.

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Don't you get it? There is no "partisan" anymore. That's obsolete. Either you're ****ing dumb, or you're smart. I can see what side you've chosen.

 

[uptower]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Not in the diluted form suggested in the reports. Or did you bother to read? It's not simply "go out and buy a bottle of it" and start inhaling. Not unless you have the capability to dilute it properly to the levels suggested and then load the nazalizer

And who honestly believes trump had read a word of this before running his fat f***in' mouth? I am quite sure he still hasn't. We all know he thinks he's above learning.

 

[OlNate]

Re: Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

If he had done that i would agree with you but thats not the case. The only thing he did was suggested to his experts, in public, that some form of the new information may be possible to incorporate into a treatment. He did not suggest it would work or challenge anyone to do it. He raised it as a possibility to explore. Thats a big difference from what your suggesting.

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Ok, man...cuz standing in front of a nation and saying things, as their president, shouldn't mean anything. Do you actually believe the BS you're typing right now? Seriously, I'm asking with all sincerity. Do you believe your guy is doing the best job possible? Because your infection rate would suggest otherwise.

 

[uptower]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Here's why, IMO:

It's the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days).​

That's it really. He's throwing darts blindfolded, hoping to hit a bullseye. Seems to want to beat the real researchers to the punch and claim bragging rights.

The problem he's too thick to know what he doesn't know.

 

[uptower]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Just coincidence? :lamo

No he was contacted directly by someone peddling their version of it, not the proposed alternative-cum- excuse in the OP.

And I don't agree that this research reflects in any way what Trump said and don't imagine it will come to much anyway. Wait for a vaccine and please do not inject yourself with cleaning products.

 

[OlNate]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Again, despite the one instance where a couple (since shown to be in an allegedly abusive relationship where the abuser lived and the abused died) took fish tank cleaner; blaming Trump's mention of reports that Hydroxy Chloroquine seem to have positive effects does not mean things cannot be discussed. Among 350 million citizens you are bound to find a few "out there" types.



Having to explain that you agree with the propaganda engine known as the MSM, despite the fact you can see they are not seeking to report news, but to CREATE it? Especially if it is as negative a spin as possible against their target?

The debate in THIS thread is about the fact, regardless of your opinion about the source, that a possibility does exist for a known "disinfectant" to be used internally as a treatment.

I say leave it to the experts to determine, without dismissing it out of hand by attacking the source.

The "MSM propaganda machine"??? For ****'s sakes, Cap'n. You're ****ing dreaming. Grow up. There is no justification of the "disinfectant" bull****, and anyone with two IQ points to rub together knows it. The fact is, your guy is full of ****, and is willing to sacrifice your lives for the purposes of financial gain, either for himself, or for the people that are telling him what to do. The American response to the coronavirus can be summed up in one word: pathetic. And if you don't understand that, you're either willfully ignorant, or a lot less intelligent than I gave you credit for. There is no debating that, so please, stop spending your efforts polishing this turd, and stay safe. That is what I hope for each and every one of you. If there was ever a time to decide not to be a damned lemming, it's now. I wish you the best.

 

[SkyFox76]

re: [W:806]Trump might not have been wrong about "Internal Disinfectants" after all.

Move to spain

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:lamo That's some critical thinking.



I'm all good. But.....

He's in his silk jammies, with greasy kfc fingers virtually hugging you close. And you've been on this thread saying "hold me close Trumpy" like Melania said to Trudeau. Seriously enjoy it you probably don't have a lot of time to change things.