[W: 585] (CNN) Female passenger killed after being set on fire on an NYC subway train

[Paradoxical]

So now you even deny that the damage occurred. That's a new level of alternative reality even for you.

Take the temperature on your roof on a hot day and get back to me.

 

[George50]

Paul and the "500" witnessed it. That is evidence. The same evidence scientists use when they take temperatures in the city and say they are really high now with all the traffic whizzing by,

You still don’t get it. Paul’s evidence is not verifiable. People believe Paul because of their faith.

The evidence for climate change is verifiable based on actual observations. Look at the graph on the right. The simulated projection tracks the observed values. That is verification. The simulation is generated from a number of factors both natural like solar radiation and volcanic activity and human caused factors like CO2 emissions.

 

[George50]

Take the temperature on your roof on a hot day and get back to me.

Spoken like a true science denier.

 

[Paradoxical]

Spoken like a true science denier.

Do you deny that they take temperatures in the city? If so you are a denier

 

[mrdeltoid]

When the climate was trending cooler, there was an impending "ice age". I disagreed. When the climate was trending warmer, it was "global warming." I disagreed. When the impending doom predictions didn't occur, then it was "climate change". I agree.

 

[George50]

Do you deny that they take temperatures in the city? If so you are a denier

Another tired old Science Denier feeble effort to discredit climate science.

Of course they do, but you don’t seem to understand that their goal is to make their climate models as accurate as possible. You can see here that:

The graph in the link below compares August temperature change data from 100+ stations in the U.S. Climate Reference Network to 10,000+ temperature stations used by NOAA, which include data adjusted to account for site characteristics. Stations in the U.S. Climate Reference Network are located in 'pristine' areas and data is not adjusted. The data show both groups of sensors yield similar findings.

Climate scientists account for urban heat island effects, corroborate data | Fact check

Data from sensors impacted by urban heat is corrected and corroborated by sensors that are unaffected by urban heat.

www.usatoday.com

 

[George50]

When the climate was trending cooler, there was an impending "ice age". I disagreed.

I assume you are talking about the ice age stories in popular media during the 1970s. However, even though there had been some cooling recently the consensus in scientific literature at the time unlike the popular media was that we needed to be concerned about global warming.

When the climate was trending warmer, it was "global warming." I disagreed. When the impending doom predictions didn't occur, then it was "climate change". I agree.

The warming predictions are occurring as you can easily see in the graph on the right hand side in post 577. Prediction was far more erratic in the 1970s because only very limited data was available. As longer time series of higher quality became available, it became clear that global temperature showed significant increases overall. If you go to post 577, you can see that the predictions are matching the actual changes.

People started using "climate change" more than "global warming" because "climate change" encompasses a broader range of effects beyond just rising temperatures, including changes in precipitation patterns, sea levels, and extreme weather events, which are considered more accurate and impactful when discussing the full consequences of a warming planet; essentially, "global warming" is just one aspect of the larger issue of "climate change."

 

[Lovebug]

I assume you are talking about the ice age stories in popular media during the 1970s. However, even though there had been some cooling recently the consensus in scientific literature at the time unlike the popular media was that we needed to be concerned about global warming.

The warming predictions are occurring as you can easily see in the graph on the right hand side in post 577. Prediction was far more erratic in the 1970s because only very limited data was available. As longer time series of higher quality became available, it became clear that global temperature showed significant increases overall. If you go to post 577, you can see that the predictions are matching the actual changes.

People started using "climate change" more than "global warming" because "climate change" encompasses a broader range of effects beyond just rising temperatures, including changes in precipitation patterns, sea levels, and extreme weather events, which are considered more accurate and impactful when discussing the full consequences of a warming planet; essentially, "global warming" is just one aspect of the larger issue of "climate change."

So setting the woman on fire changed the climate?

 

[Paradoxical]

Another tired old Science Denier feeble effort to discredit climate science.

Of course they do, but you don’t seem to understand that their goal is to make their climate models as accurate as possible. You can see here that:

The graph in the link below compares August temperature change data from 100+ stations in the U.S. Climate Reference Network to 10,000+ temperature stations used by NOAA, which include data adjusted to account for site characteristics. Stations in the U.S. Climate Reference Network are located in 'pristine' areas and data is not adjusted. The data show both groups of sensors yield similar findings.

Climate scientists account for urban heat island effects, corroborate data | Fact check

Data from sensors impacted by urban heat is corrected and corroborated by sensors that are unaffected by urban heat.

www.usatoday.com

Uh huh. Why not just take them in urban areas?

 

[RedAkston]

Moderator's Warning:

There is a topic to this thread. Let's all try sticking to it.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

What's you point? This information was all available to the defense to use in court and the jury unanimously found Trump to be guilty.

The Jury answered a loaded question that Braggs put in front of them! It's like if I ask you:
Please answer only "Yes" or "No" , Does your mother know you're stupid!......
The question is loaded.

The jury who actually heard the evidence disagrees with you. They say it is a crime that involved 34 felonies.

This NDA that was written up by a lawyer, and Trump wrote it off as a "Legal Expense" and paid Taxes on this expense, is only a Felony to Braggs and the State Judges! Until know this type of infraction was a Misdemeanor ! But now that Trump did it the DEM's got this Hack to make "NEW NOVEL LEGAL THEORIES" to make it a Felony!
Thus proof of Lawfare! Keep a look out for the final outcome of this case!

Law Professor: The Manhattan District Attorney’s Convoluted Legal Case Against Donald Trump Gets More Convoluted

To request an interview with Professor Germain, please contact Ellen James Mbuqe, executive director of media relations, at ejmbuqe@syr.edu. By Gregory Germ ...

news.syr.edu

 

[George50]

The Jury answered a loaded question that Braggs put in front of them! It's like if I ask you:
Please answer only "Yes" or "No" , Does your mother know you're stupid!......
The question is loaded.

Again you seem to ignore that there are two sides to a jury trial. The jury listens to both the prosecution and the defense. The jury unanimously agreed with the defense.

This NDA that was written up by a lawyer, and Trump wrote it off as a "Legal Expense" and paid Taxes on this expense, is only a Felony to Braggs and the State Judges! Until know this type of infraction was a Misdemeanor ! But now that Trump did it the DEM's got this Hack to make "NEW NOVEL LEGAL THEORIES" to make it a Felony!

From your link:

"Second, in order for the business records misdemeanor to be bumped up to a Class E felony under Section 175.10, “his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.”
"So, in addition to proving that the business records were falsified to “defraud” someone, the District Attorney must show that Trump falsified the records to commit “another crime” separate from the fraud."

Which was proven to the unanimous satisfaction of the jury.

Thus proof of Lawfare!

Thus proof from your link of the trial being conducted according to NY law.

Keep a look out for the final outcome of this case!

You will have to wait a long time for that! Regardless Trump remains a convicted felon.

Law Professor: The Manhattan District Attorney’s Convoluted Legal Case Against Donald Trump Gets More Convoluted

To request an interview with Professor Germain, please contact Ellen James Mbuqe, executive director of media relations, at ejmbuqe@syr.edu. By Gregory Germ ...

news.syr.edu

 

[RF667799]

Trump imagines that he has the (absolute?) power to control (manipulate?) the balance of trade.

He isn't alone in viewing taxes as a way to manipulate people and their actions, in addition to being a source of revenue.

 

[ttwtt78640]

He isn't alone in viewing taxes as a way to manipulate people and their actions, in addition to being a source of revenue.

Yep, loads of ‘social engineering’ are built into the FIT code.

 

[George50]

Uh huh. Why not just take them in urban areas?

Because their goal is to be as accurate as possible, not to try to trick people into an incorrect belief like you science deniers.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

Again you seem to ignore that there are two sides to a jury trial. The jury listens to both the prosecution and the defense. The jury unanimously agreed with the defense.

Again you can't follow the discussion!
I do not contend that Trump did not do some tricky book keeping, I pointed out that it was NEVER a FELONY in the past.
Also that Braggs is trying to prosecute federal law, by making up a new legal Theory to do so. (a.k.a. Lawfare)

From your link:

"Second, in order for the business records misdemeanor to be bumped up to a Class E felony under Section 175.10, “his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.”
"So, in addition to proving that the business records were falsified to “defraud” someone, the District Attorney must show that Trump falsified the records to commit “another crime” separate from the fraud."
Which was proven to the unanimous satisfaction of the jury.
Thus proof from your link of the trial being conducted according to NY law.

Did you not read that the Author disagrees with your assessment?

Regardless Trump remains a convicted felon.

So you are happy that our Government is corrupt and Criminal and use Lawfare and Weaponize our government and legal system just to go after a political challenger ?......
Again , REMEMBER, that all this information was out YEARS AGO and no one would prosecute if because it was a misdemeanor.

 

[mrdeltoid]

I assume you are talking about the ice age stories in popular media during the 1970s. However, even though there had been some cooling recently the consensus in scientific literature at the time unlike the popular media was that we needed to be concerned about global warming.

The warming predictions are occurring as you can easily see in the graph on the right hand side in post 577. Prediction was far more erratic in the 1970s because only very limited data was available. As longer time series of higher quality became available, it became clear that global temperature showed significant increases overall. If you go to post 577, you can see that the predictions are matching the actual changes.

People started using "climate change" more than "global warming" because "climate change" encompasses a broader range of effects beyond just rising temperatures, including changes in precipitation patterns, sea levels, and extreme weather events, which are considered more accurate and impactful when discussing the full consequences of a warming planet; essentially, "global warming" is just one aspect of the larger issue of "climate change."

Good post. I can't disagree with anything you pointed out. Yours is a scientific statement of fact.

 

[devildavid]

IF liberals wanted to stop human trafficking, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, all the child abuse etc that goes on ..... they'd get on board with border control and ending it all

they don't want to - and you'll see it in the coming weeks when Trump gets to work ... liberals/Democrats will fight him every step of the way

you know it, I know it

Liberals have been deporting illegals all along. Trump is talking shit that he can’t carry out. He will do nothing because his lies about taking action got him elected and he doesn’t need voters any more. He will be looking out for himself in another do nothing term as president.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Liberals have been deporting illegals all along

except they haven't - they blocked Trump every chance they got, then they got Biden in office and first Day Biden rescinded border security that Trump had going on .... and in the last for years 10-12 million or more illegals have poured into the USA

some deportation yes - but the sheer numbers and costs of all the illegals not being deported it incredible and its liberals/Democrats fighting hard to keep all these illegals pouring in

. Trump is talking shit that he can’t carry out. He will do nothing because his lies about taking action got him elected and he doesn’t need voters any more. He will be looking out for himself in another do nothing term as president.

if Trump does nothing I'll be shocked

day One he'll executive order IMO and Democrats will lose their minds and file lawsuits and stop him every way they can- you wanna make a side bet on that ?

 

[Emlee]

The victim has been identified.

Woman set on fire on New York City subway identified by police​

A woman who died after being set on fire on a New York City subway train this month has been identified, according to police.

The woman was named as Debrina Kawam, 57, of Toms River, New Jersey, the New York Police Department said.

Woman set on fire on New York City subway identified by police

A woman who died after being set on fire on a New York City subway train this month was identified, according to police.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Grizzly Adams]

or by entering the U.S. without prior inspection and then declaring their fear of persecution.

Fun fact: crossing illegally then making an asylum claim is still crossing illegally.

What distinction do you make, in your immigration job, that separates violence from persecution?

Violence is just violence. Persecution, for the purposes of granting asylum, must be on the basis of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. This is spelled out in the US Code at 8 USC 1158(B)(1)(b)(i).

 

[Grizzly Adams]

The victim has been identified.

Woman set on fire on New York City subway identified by police​

A woman who died after being set on fire on a New York City subway train this month has been identified, according to police.

The woman was named as Debrina Kawam, 57, of Toms River, New Jersey, the New York Police Department said.

Woman set on fire on New York City subway identified by police

A woman who died after being set on fire on a New York City subway train this month was identified, according to police.

abcnews.go.com

Was she a health insurance executive? Did she "deserve it?"

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

The NYP has video footage of the incident hosted on its website. Even while the victim is blurred-out, it still is rather graphic.

Given its graphic nature, I felt it was better to put the video footage here - in its own post - outside my OP.

For whatever technical reason, I could not place the NYT link behind a spoiler tag.

--

Beware of the graphic nature of the video, should you chose to invoke the NYP link below, and view the video in the article.

NYP Article:

Horrific video shows suspect watching woman burn to death in F train car after he allegedly set her on fire

A migrant from Guatemala has been arrested for allegedly lighting a sleeping subway rider on fire in Brooklyn on Sunday morning — then watching as his innocent victim burned to death in what the Ne…

nypost.com

The sad reality is there will always be bad people doing bad things. It is the responsibility of every American to protect themselves and lend help to others if they can. I remember well the days when the people in mental institutions were tossed on the streets of this country instead of providing the reform these institutions needed. While we are stuck with the people who are already in this country it would be wise to secure our borders and not let other countries send their problems here.

 

[Chomsky]

The sad reality is there will always be bad people doing bad things. It is the responsibility of every American to protect themselves and lend help to others if they can. I remember well the days when the people in mental institutions were tossed on the streets of this country instead of providing the reform these institutions needed. While we are stuck with the people who are already in this country it would be wise to secure our borders and not let other countries send their problems here.

It's quite possible this women, apparently 57 y.o. homeless, is one of the mentally ill falling through the cracks. At the very least, she was substance addicted/alcoholic.

CF:

This past fall, Ms. Kawam came to New York, apparently with no place to stay. On Nov. 29, a homeless-outreach team encountered her at Grand Central Terminal. The next day, she checked into an intake shelter for women. Two days after that, she was assigned to a shelter in the Bronx. She never showed.

Source:

Subway Victim’s Brutal End Stuns Friends From Her Happy Past

Debbie Kawam, as she was known in high school, was a cheerleader and a sunny presence. As the decades went on, she fell into an abyss.

www.nytimes.com

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

It's quite possible this women, apparently 57 y.o. homeless, is one of the mentally ill falling through the cracks. At the very least, she was substance addicted/alcoholic.

CF:



Source:

Subway Victim’s Brutal End Stuns Friends From Her Happy Past

Debbie Kawam, as she was known in high school, was a cheerleader and a sunny presence. As the decades went on, she fell into an abyss.

www.nytimes.com

It is sad the homeless situation in this country. Tent cities are popping up all over just like in the depression. Clearly we need to bring manufacturing back to this country even if we have to subsidize it. It is a better solution than welfare which cannot be sustained because it gives nothing back. Most of these people could do simple assembly jobs. I know several people with mental issues who have worked their entire life in these type of jobs. Most were proud of what they were able to accomplish.