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[W:#581]Child marriage ban bill defeated in West Virginia House

EMNofSeattle said:
Marriage is much more then the certificate, although this is a good point, marriage should be like In Israel where there is no license from the state at all and the state recognizes clerical marriage
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Then we are talking about two different things. I'm fine with two teenagers getting "married" in their church, if all that entails is some guy in goofy clothes casting some spells to ward off demon-spirits or whatever, and then telling them they're married. Then they can get married for real when they are old enough to sign legal contracts, which is (or should be) 18 years old.
 
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Ikari said:
lol

So "you can marry them at 14, but don't you bed then til 18."
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In many parts of America 14 is old enough to consent to sex in some circumstances. Washington state has provisions for this for example.


Ikari said:
lol

Get out of here with your excuses. We all know this is about grooming child sex,
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Not really. If two 14 year olds have sex is that grooming?
Ikari said:
otherwise they'd move the age.
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🙄
 
Conservative said:
No, just like showing the liberal hypocrisy on the various issues. Abortion good, transgender training good, 14 year old marriages not but let's let 16 year olds vote
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lol, ok.

So conservative hypocrisy must be women controlling their bodies bad, anything that seems icky bad, but sex with 14 year olds good.
 
Geoist said:
16 year olds are too irresponsible to vote but responsible enough to marry and raise children? Whaa?
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That was my point. Democrats are saying too young for marriage but not too young to vote.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
In many parts of America 14 is old enough to consent to sex in some circumstances. Washington state has provisions for this for example.



Not really. If two 14 year olds have sex is that grooming?

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lol

And the Mormon polygamy cults aren't about child sex and abuse/control of women.

lol

You seem to be making a lot of excuses for West Virginia's grooming policies.
 
Ikari said:
lol, ok.

So conservative hypocrisy must be women controlling their bodies bad, anything that seems icky bad, but sex with 14 year olds good.
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Women do control their bodies at the state and local level where it belongs. Abortions have not been eliminated but rather returned to the states. Amazing civics ignorance
 
SMTA said:
More proof that the GOP supports pedo behavior through underage marriage.
Pathetic.
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You consider a 18 year old dating a 16 year old to be pedophilia?
 
Gatsby said:
Then we are talking about two different things. I'm fine with two teenagers getting "married" in their church or whatever, if all that entails is some guy in goofy clothes casting some spells to ward off demon-spirits or whatever, and then telling them they're married. Then they can get married for real when they are old enough to sign legal contracts, which is (or should be) 18 years old.
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Yeah but that doesn’t confer eligibility for tax benefits and other legal provisions for marriage such as transfer of property or estate privilege, so if we recognize marriage by registry office then it needs to be freely available
 
noonereal said:
Yes, I find few can answer this.

Something about it just does not feel right, I agree, but if you look through history, this age of 18 is pretty new and often unnatural.
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While this is true about history..
What is also true is that the culture has changed in such a way that a 14 year old today is way less prepared to make such a decision and the consequences of such a decision are much different.
A 14 year old in 1790 would be considered a woman with all tge rights and responsibilities there of and marriage would be basically her opportunity...
While in 2023..that 14 year old would be considered a child and marriage would be a detriment.
 
Ikari said:
lol

And the Mormon polygamy cults aren't about child sex and abuse/control of women.
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Polygamy is not recognized anywhere in America and thus this is not relevant to this discussion
Ikari said:
lol

You seem to be making a lot of excuses for West Virginia's grooming policies.
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I don’t think you even know what grooming means
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Yeah but that doesn’t confer eligibility for tax benefits and other legal provisions for marriage such as transfer of property or estate privilege, so if we recognize marriage by registry office then it needs to be freely available
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You said it's important they get married at age 14 because it's what's best for the baby. So...the estate taxes are the deal-breaker? That's the reason having married parents is so important for the baby?
 
Conservative said:
Women do control their bodies at the state and local level where it belongs. Abortions have not been eliminated but rather returned to the states. Amazing civics ignorance
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'A woman controls her body. That's because the state gets to decide whether she can control her body!' - Conservative.

Ummm, whhhaaat?? o_O
 
Conservative said:
Women do control their bodies at the state and local level where it belongs. Abortions have not been eliminated but rather returned to the states. Amazing civics ignorance
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lol

"Women control their bodies where local governments allow them to control there bodies"

That's some great mental gymnastics there.
 
Gatsby said:
You said it's important they get married at age 14 because it's what's best for the baby.
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It is.
Gatsby said:
So...the estate taxes are the deal-breaker?
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no, however we shouldn’t have the idea you proposed of “magic spells” philosophy you have proposed about marriage and then “real marriage”

Marriage does come with lawful benefits in all countries because in the opinion of political leaders these assist in the proper purpose of marriage
Gatsby said:
That's the reason having married parents is so important for the baby?
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It’s not unimportant. As an example if you have a 17 year old mother and a 19 year old father and the father joins the military, marriage means that while he’s in boot camp and unable to spend any money that the pay she gets to use includes housing allowance, food allowance for dependents, military death benefits, free access to medical care at base hospitals, free access to commissary and exchange etc. so in this kind of case this is not a trivial matter. No health insurance versus free access to a base hospital is certainly a benefit

Even if not in the case of the military, at 18 I worked at a grocery store and had benefits through my union, which included lots of freebies for spouses. So it’s not really a question of magic spells as you attempt in bad faith
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It is.

no, however we shouldn’t have the idea you proposed of “magic spells” philosophy you have proposed about marriage and then “real marriage”

Marriage does come with lawful benefits in all countries because in the opinion of political leaders these assist in the proper purpose of marriage

It’s not unimportant. As an example if you have a 17 year old mother and a 19 year old father and the father joins the military, marriage means that while he’s in boot camp and unable to spend any money that the pay she gets to use includes housing allowance, food allowance for dependents, military death benefits, free access to medical care at base hospitals, free access to commissary and exchange etc. so in this kind of case this is not a trivial matter. No health insurance versus free access to a base hospital is certainly a benefit

Even if not in the case of the military, at 18 I worked at a grocery store and had benefits through my union, which included lots of freebies for spouses. So it’s not really a question of magic spells as you attempt in bad faith
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14 Year old's shouldn't be having babies and the fact that you think they should is as disgusting as your view that a husband should be able to rape his wife.
 
Geoist said:
'A woman controls her body. That's because the state gets to decide whether she can control her body!' - Conservative.

Ummm, whhhaaat?? o_O
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The state is the citizens of the state, a true democracy, isn't that what you cry about all the time with the Presidential elections? Citizens elect their state government by popular vote, another free educational statement from me
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It is.

no, however we shouldn’t have the idea you proposed of “magic spells” philosophy you have proposed about marriage and then “real marriage”

Marriage does come with lawful benefits in all countries because in the opinion of political leaders these assist in the proper purpose of marriage

It’s not unimportant. As an example if you have a 17 year old mother and a 19 year old father and the father joins the military, marriage means that while he’s in boot camp and unable to spend any money that the pay she gets to use includes housing allowance, food allowance for dependents, military death benefits, free access to medical care at base hospitals, free access to commissary and exchange etc. so in this kind of case this is not a trivial matter. No health insurance versus free access to a base hospital is certainly a benefit

Even if not in the case of the military, at 18 I worked at a grocery store and had benefits through my union, which included lots of freebies for spouses. So it’s not really a question of magic spells as you attempt in bad faith
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If we're just talking about getting a few government benefits for spouses, that's not a good enough reason to get married at such a young age.

If we're talking about union benefits...elect a different union rep who will negotiate them with your employer.

If we're talking about benefits of infants having married parents beyond direct monetary gains, there's nothing in the law that precludes you from having a ceremony, telling people you're married, raising the kid together, and then getting married for real when you're old enough.

None of these are good reasons why minors need to be able to enter into a real, legal marriage contract.
 
Ikari said:
lol

"Women control their bodies where local governments allow them to control there bodies"

That's some great mental gymnastics there.
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Amazing, who elects the leaders of the state? Why the double standard, popular vote elects state leaders and states have term limits so who is making policies for the state?
 
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