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[W: #553] [W:301] John Kerry Calls the First Amendment a 'Major Block' to Stopping 'Disinformation'

More freedom is better when it comes to not censoring "misinformation." Yes.

If you want to take the illiberal side of the debate, then just own it instead of doing this motte-and-bailey where you advocate for other, totally unrelated things like electrical codes or social mobility.

Yes, I think the 1A should be abolished. And we should restrict what people are allowed to say and publish.
 
Yes, I think the 1A should be abolished. And we should restrict what people are allowed to say and publish.

That kind of thinking is absurd in what it assumes / chooses to overlook.

Hell, if we had both an intellectual and moral genius as philosopher-king, everything would be better. The problem is that when you establish a monarchy, there's no guarantee you always get such a person and in fact pretty much never do.

Same general thing goes for your Ministry of Truth. Just picture another Trump winning and having control over this ministry that you would have restricting speech and see where that ends...
 
As imperfect as it is, I'll keep the 1st Amendment.
As would Kerry. Or are we supposed to believe the National Review and FOX News about Kerry and the first amendment. It protected Donald Trump when he called my immigrant father and grandparents poisonous snakes. I don’t like that, but don’t care that the First Amendment protects him. It should. Just as it does me when I call Trump a bigoted crook.
 
That kind of thinking is absurd in what it assumes / chooses to overlook.

Hell, if we had both an intellectual and moral genius as philosopher-king, everything would be better. The problem is that when you establish a monarchy, there's no guarantee you always get such a person and in fact pretty much never do.

Same general thing goes for your Ministry of Truth. Just picture another Trump winning and having control over this ministry that you would have restricting speech and see where that ends...

Yeah, there is a slippery slope argument to be made.
However, I prefer the european version of freedom of speech tbh. You're free to say anything until you want to gas the jews or line up the gypsies.
 
I would rather be lied to by someone than have my voice taken away by the Government or anyone else.
Neither are good, but he former is an immediate threat. Government is not taking anyone "voice" away in the general sense...he's not talking about removing it, just tweaking it for harmful misinformation at a large scale.

Your voice already has limits, you don't seem bothered by it. No one is threatening to "take your voice away".

Same way you can't say whatever you want here, same way you can't say whatever you want at a hospital, same way you can't say whatever you want about a sitting POTUS.
There are limits.

You enjoy the result of those limits every day, but here you seem to be suggesting adding some additional, presumably sensible limits to combat misinformation in the digital age, is somehow a seismic shift?
It's not.

Chomksy has been telling you about manufactured consent since the 80's. Human-caused climate change is a done deal, it's real, it's happening, and it was big oil/energy intentional misinformation, and the near unlimited spread of that misinformation on major platforms, that created this push back on it why? For profits.
That's bad. Same with anti-vaxx. Same with a lot of stuff obviously, in today's politics...
 
Neither are good, but he former is an immediate threat. Government is not taking anyone "voice" away in the general sense...he's not talking about removing it, just tweaking it for harmful misinformation at a large scale.

Your voice already has limits, you don't seem bothered by it. No one is threatening to "take your voice away".

Same way you can't say whatever you want here, same way you can't say whatever you want at a hospital, same way you can't say whatever you want about a sitting POTUS.
There are limits.

You enjoy the result of those limits every day, but here you seem to be suggesting adding some additional, presumably sensible limits to combat misinformation in the digital age, is somehow a seismic shift?
It's not.

Chomksy has been telling you about manufactured consent since the 80's. Human-caused climate change is a done deal, it's real, it's happening, and it was big oil/energy intentional misinformation, and the near unlimited spread of that misinformation on major platforms, that created this push back on it why? For profits.
That's bad. Same with anti-vaxx. Same with a lot of stuff obviously, in today's politics...
The Wuhan Origin was a conspiracy theory that should never had been allowed to be repeated.
 
Well, well. Is that a surprise. John Kerry another liberal opportunists. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights mean nothing to liberals when they interfere with their agenda.

You mean things like keeping people from dying? Yeah maybe. You have to admit we have a bit of a conundrum here.

During Covid, Trump voters died at a rate of nearly 3 times anyone else. It's a tragedy. Part of the job of a competent government is watch out for the public health of its citizens so they are not just dying off for no good reason, or because of lies being spread by a charlatan and lying hucksters wanting to politicize something this deadly for his own personal benefit.

Places that voted for Trump 3 times as likely to die of Covid:


The cause was not because they were generally older. The cause has actually been tracked down to all the toxic brew of misinformation, confusion, paranoia, and conspiracy-mindedness in that demographic regarding the most current medical recommendations.

https://www.wgbh.org/news/national/...-covid-death-rates-misinformation-is-to-blame

"We discuss several mechanisms explaining why, to some extent universally, conservatives (the right-wing oriented public) were less likely to follow public health recommendations, were more COVID-19 vaccine-hesitant, and had increased infection rates, poorer health outcomes, and increased mortality compared to left-wing oriented public. The mechanisms explaining the links include the media, trust, cognitions, and values. We conclude the chapter with lessons learned during the COVID-19 pandemic and future research directions on the pandemics' politicization."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9115435/

Do you think THIS many people dying due to not being able to have reliable fact checking of such unscrupulous liars and hucksters is just nothing to even consider in this discussion?
 
Come on. He was clearly implying that the First Amendment was an annoying nuisance for what he would like to do.
Except that is not at all what he said. When you have to twist his words to get him to say what you wish he had said so you had something to cry about, the issue is with you, not him.
 
That pesky First Amendment -- always getting in the way -- time to get rid of it, says John Kerry (vote for us, and we'll do you that favor) :rolleyes:




We need a "Ministry of Truth" according to Kerry 🤪
He's right but that's the price we pay.
 
What ever happened to "You are free to say what you want, and I am free to debunk it?"
 
Except that is not at all what he said. When you have to twist his words to get him to say what you wish he had said so you had something to cry about, the issue is with you, not him.
"What I wish John Kerry had said" is not a program in my brain that has consumed any power since...2004.

I kinda forgot he was still alive.
 
I would rather be lied to by someone than have my voice taken away by the Government or anyone else.

This, I think, is the MAGA mantra. The idea of rejecting the lies is an anathema. It doesn't even enter the conversation. Its either lies or government repression. So take the lies.
 
Except that is not at all what he said. When you have to twist his words to get him to say what you wish he had said so you had something to cry about, the issue is with you, not him.
The idea that there's a critical mass of people just waiting to twist the words of John Freaking Kerry of all people. :ROFLMAO:

How hard is it to just admit that, yes, politicians on one's own side of the aisle sometimes say dumb things and that this is one of those times? Are you really so ensconced in a partisan bubble that you think anyone still gives enough of a shit about John Kerry to try to make him look bad, if not for the fact that he said something controversial?
 
Fox News is seen as virtuous because they lie. Its like that takes some kind of perverse courage. They have their own righteousness because they are sticking it to the man.
 
The Wuhan Origin was a conspiracy theory that should never had been allowed to be repeated.

I hope this is sarcasm flying over my head, 'cause . . . um . . wut?

It originated in Wuhan. To the extent there are dueling theories, CT or not, they're at least consistent on that. (That is, animal to human transmission via 'wet market' pangolins, an outbreak from labs studying that kind of virus among others, or a true CT "it was released on purpose by China in Wuhan!").

Hell, that's where the cases exploded from, even with all China's initial attempts to downplay it.
 
That pesky First Amendment -- always getting in the way -- time to get rid of it, says John Kerry (vote for us, and we'll do you that favor) :rolleyes:




We need a "Ministry of Truth" according to Kerry 🤪
Where did he say get rid of the 1st?
 
What ever happened to "You are free to say what you want, and I am free to debunk it?"

Whatever happened to debunking it mattering?

Its pretty wild to live in the world, where a major political party that has support from over 40% of the voters is literally famous for lying.
 
That pesky First Amendment -- always getting in the way -- time to get rid of it, says John Kerry (vote for us, and we'll do you that favor) :rolleyes:




We need a "Ministry of Truth" according to Kerry 🤪
Do you disagree with this?

Good god.
 
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