[W;440]Capitol goes into lockdown as Trump supporters breach barriers and clash with law enforcement while Congress debates election challenges

[Tangmo]

Hard to come up with evidence if there is no investigation. But is seems that's how the Dems want to roll.

Rudy Giuliani can't even make up evidence.

You're screwed by your own people who can't find their arse with both hands while blindfolded.

And all we have here is a parade of parrots.

 

[dave8383]

Because 40% of Americans question how the elections were run. Close to 70% of Republicans. If you have such faith, you should welcome such an investigation with open arms to put to bed any questions. If you fight it, you are adding to the doubt - what are you hiding.

This country isn't guided by what kind of BS Trump can come up with next.

 

[Tangmo]

The facts that we do know about.

I suggest you call the GA sec/state.

He has a tape he can play for you.

Then watch the video of the redneck fascists invading the Capitol.

 

[GolfingChef]

There was a case before the deadline, dismissed on standing.

link please

 

[roguenuke]

The facts that we do know about.

You don't have any actual facts that point to real, significant fraud. You have conspiracy theories, flawed (heavily) statistics, and lies and misinformation. You believe it simply because you want to believe that Trump couldn't lose. That doesn't mean that sentiment is true. All the actual, credible facts say Trump lost and there was no significant voter fraud, and that his followers are believing conspiracy theories, similar to believing 9/11 Truthers or Flat Earthers have "facts" to support their contentions.

 

[roguenuke]

Keep telling yourself that, do you REALLY think Biden generated enough enthusiasm for 10 million plus more votes than Obama?

He didn't need to, Trump did it for him. Voting against Trump is a completely legitimate and legal reason to vote. Don't need to generate your own enthusiasm when your opponent is generating enough enthusiasm against himself.

 

[dave8383]

Keep telling yourself that, do you REALLY think Biden generated enough enthusiasm for 10 million plus more votes than Obama?

Do you really think Trump should have been reelected?

 

[roguenuke]

Again, I didn't. What I stated is that if votes were legally challenged as being not cast by legal voters, they are fraudulent votes. Not widespread fraud by whatever definition you care to use but illegal voting was one of the allegations.

The bolded (by me) is not true. Anyone can challenge votes, through a legal process (which would be "legally challenged" votes). Simply challenging those votes does not make those votes fraudulent votes. You have to prove that each of those votes actually was fraudulently cast, as in someone else cast those votes or that the person was not legally eligible to cast that vote for that election.

However, when they got to court, the only thing those fighting for Trump, claiming outside of court that there was fraud, claimed was that there was the possibility or potential of fraud based on their evidence or that some law or another violated either a state constitution or the Constitution, and that is reason enough to throw out hundreds of thousands or even millions of legally cast votes. For those claiming the potential or possibility of fraudulent voting, that is not sufficient to challenge votes. You need to provide actual evidence of widespread fraudulent voting, not simply evidence of the potential (particularly when the "evidence" is at best circumstantial and in many cases highly flawed, such as any affidavits Russ Ramsland has filed with these cases). When it comes to the argument of constitutionality (either at state or federal level), the reason the courts are not going to disenfranchise millions of voters for such cases is because those votes were cast in good faith, in the belief that the laws were good, there was no one whose rights were actually violated in doing so, and those claiming those laws/rules for elections are unconstitutional did have time to challenge those laws as such prior to the election, which would have also allowed those who did vote in good faith under those laws to make other plans instead of now demanding their votes be cast aside, their rights be trampled on simply because someone is a sore loser.

 

[GolfingChef]

Im sure statistical anomalies look like deep bullshit to you unless its a Democrat not being elected then...it all makes sense.

First off, I am not a Dem and do not normally vote for them, nor do I normally vote for Repubs. Not liking Trump does not make one a Dem lover. You can do better than that

But what I am, is a data scientist and I understand what statistical anomalies, and despite the cool sounding name, most of them have an explanation or are not really statistical anomalies when you look at a wider data set.

For example one of the statistical anomalies that the expert at the Ga hearing (a hearing where nobody was sworn in and nobody was allowed to cross examine) claimed that a single precinct having more than 75% for one candidate is a statistical anomaly and that anything over 90% is a clear sign of fraud. And on the surface that sounds reasonable, and these people know that you guys are not going to look into the data and find out because you agree that the election was stolen.

But when one actually looks at the data, especially from past elections as a comparison, you find out that not only is being above 75% not a statistical anomaly, it is actually fairly common place as it being above 90% in large cities.

This is from the 2016 election, it breaks down each precinct and how they voted for either Trump or Hillary. If you run your mouse around you will find that being above 90% is not all that rare at all, if is pretty common place, and that goes for both candidates.

How Every Neighborhood in Metro Atlanta Voted in the...

www.ajc.com

enjoy

 

[GolfingChef]

Keep telling yourself that, do you REALLY think Biden generated enough enthusiasm for 10 million plus more votes than Obama?

He did not. But Trump did generate enough hate and dislike for Biden to get 10 million plus more votes than Obama....of course it also helps that there are 27 million more people in the country than in 2008.

 

[JasperL]

There was a case before the deadline, dismissed on standing. There was a case before the election that was dismissed on laches. SCOTUS dismissed the Texas suit on standing and then right after, the Penn SC dismissed a case saying it was a federal issue after SCOTUS declined with the opposite reasoning---it was a state issue.

There were many different cases in PA. I'll need a case name and cite to reply. Not all were dismissed on standing. And I don't believe a case before the election was dismissed on laches, unless it was after voting had started but before election day. Cite please.

For the Texas suit, no, the state of Texas doesn't get to challenge how the other 49 states conduct elections if they don't like how they did it.

Between the Penn SC and SCOTUS, no issue was examined with deliberation but with an attempt to deny a hearing and see evidence. Meanwhile the Penn SC and Executive branch broke their own Constitution on voting guidelines and I have yet to find a single progressive that can muster any sort of concern about any of it.

I don't believe the PA SC broke their own constitution on voting guidelines. I'm aware of no court ruling that they did, or that any other state's courts interpreting their own laws in light of the state constitution somehow violated the federal constitution.

When the laws protect corruption and invite it, and people can openly see it, they aren't going to respect those institutions because they are already corrupt and no longer serve the people, they serve political interest.

I have no idea what "laws" you're referring to.

 

[JasperL]

Keep telling yourself that, do you REALLY think Biden generated enough enthusiasm for 10 million plus more votes than Obama?

I don't particularly like Biden, and I've never been more motivated to vote in my lifetime and my first election was 1982. And I knew Trump would win Tennessee easily, but I was not going to let my opposition to Trump go unrecorded. Lots of people were like me. We saw lines for early voting that I've never seen before, for WEEKS, and my area is a little spot of blue in an otherwise sea of red statewide. We drove 30 minutes each way to avoid those lines and cast our votes, safely. So, yeah, Trump is just that bad. He polarized the country in a way we've never seen before.

But what's interesting about this point is you simply don't believe Trump could lose, and since he lost, therefore, fraud. Q.E.D. Your beliefs are not evidence. Sorry.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Meanwhile the Penn SC and Executive branch broke their own Constitution on voting guidelines and I have yet to find a single progressive that can muster any sort of concern about any of it.

This is the argument Trump supporters made, but just because someone makes an argument doesn't mean that argument is true. We went over this with the Flynn case where you just simply accepted the arguments being made in support of Flynn without question, without thinking, without examination, simply because you agreed with the outcome the argument pushed.

You should read the brief submitted by the PA legislature to the PA Supreme Court IN SUPPORT of the executive branch -- and it was the REPUBLICAN legislature that voted for these changes a year prior.

 

[mike2810]

Hard to come up with evidence if there is no investigation. But is seems that's how the Dems want to roll.

Don't lawyers and staff do investigations for their clients?
Are you saying that Team Trump (RudyG) and others like S. Powell have not been doing a real investigation since the election?

I am not a Democrat. I see no reason to investigate the 2020 election based on it was rigged or massive fraud occurred. States regularly conduct after action election reviews to identify what worked, what problems occurred, and ways to improve the election process for future elections. The report findings will dictate if the State Legislators will need to be involved and update, change, or pass new laws.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Keep telling yourself that, do you REALLY think Biden generated enough enthusiasm for 10 million plus more votes than Obama?

Oh, okay. I get it. You've fully embraced the stupid conspiracy theories.

Is it really that surprising that Biden would get 10 million more votes than Obama given the disaster of a human being and a President the piece of shit Trump is? Seriously? Have you not been reading posts on this forum over the past 4 years criticizing Trump, the worst President we've ever had? Do you REALLY think 10 million more people wouldn't vote against Trump? Seriously?

No one should take you seriously.

 

[Luce]

Because 40% of Americans question how the elections were run. Close to 70% of Republicans. If you have such faith, you should welcome such an investigation with open arms to put to bed any questions. If you fight it, you are adding to the doubt - what are you hiding.

How about no?

 

[Rawley]

Don't lawyers and staff do investigations for their clients?
Are you saying that Team Trump (RudyG) and others like S. Powell have not been doing a real investigation since the election?

As private citizens, they are severely hampered in what they can investigate, what data they can have access to ....

I am not a Democrat. I see no reason to investigate the 2020 election based on it was rigged or massive fraud occurred. States regularly conduct after action election reviews to identify what worked, what problems occurred, and ways to improve the election process for future elections. The report findings will dictate if the State Legislators will need to be involved and update, change, or pass new laws.

What is your objection to doing this on an independent national level?

The Democrats running the legislature state of California passed laws legalizing partisan ballot harvesting and mail-in voting - knowing that they were going to put over 5 million facially invalid ballots on the street. Personally, we received three ballots for folk that had not lived at our address in close to a decade. There is no plan for any investigation into the 2020 election. And even if there were, why should I trust the people who passed these horribly flawed laws in the first place?

 

[GolfingChef]

What is your objection to doing this on an independent national level?

Who/what would you consider independent to do this investigation?

 

[Rawley]

Who/what would you consider independent to do this investigation?

Oh, I don't know, perhaps five House members, five senators and five Supreme Court justices.

 

[GolfingChef]

Oh, I don't know, perhaps five House members, five senators and five Supreme Court justices.

so, none of those people are partisan?

could you honestly tell us if that took place and they came back and said this was the most secure election in history that you would be like "ok, good enough for me"??

 

[vegas giants]

As private citizens, they are severely hampered in what they can investigate, what data they can have access to ....



What is your objection to doing this on an independent national level?

The Democrats running the legislature state of California passed laws legalizing partisan ballot harvesting and mail-in voting - knowing that they were going to put over 5 million facially invalid ballots on the street. Personally, we received three ballots for folk that had not lived at our address in close to a decade. There is no plan for any investigation into the 2020 election. And even if there were, why should I trust the people who passed these horribly flawed laws in the first place?

No investigation is needed.

 

[mike2810]

As private citizens, they are severely hampered in what they can investigate, what data they can have access to ....



What is your objection to doing this on an independent national level?

The Democrats running the legislature state of California passed laws legalizing partisan ballot harvesting and mail-in voting - knowing that they were going to put over 5 million facially invalid ballots on the street. Personally, we received three ballots for folk that had not lived at our address in close to a decade. There is no plan for any investigation into the 2020 election. And even if there were, why should I trust the people who passed these horribly flawed laws in the first place?

Republicans are running Arizona. Guess they messed up because Arizona is one of the States Team Trump targeted.

If citizens of California do not like what the State elections laws they should work to get the laws changed.

You would have to show me how Team Trump or S. Powell have been "severely hampered" in how they can investigate.

Your ask for a independent investigation reminds me of AE911T claim they have done independent investigations.

 

[Rawley]

so, none of those people are partisan?

could you honestly tell us if that took place and they came back and said this was the most secure election in history that you would be like "ok, good enough for me"??

At some point you are going to have to get on with your life and lose the TDS. This is about the 2022 election and the 2024 election and ...

 

[GolfingChef]

At some point you are going to have to get on with your life and lose the TDS. This is about the 2022 election and the 2024 election and ...

so, that is a no you would not have done so.

Thanks!

 

[Luce]

At some point you are going to have to get on with your life and lose the TDS. This is about the 2022 election and the 2024 election and ...

And at some point you are going to have to get over your losses in this election.