(W#4255)The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for the intentional first degree homicide of 2, injuring of 1 (1 Viewer)

[justabubba]

Seems Rittenhouse opening statement has some misinformation.

- "In the opening minutes of his testimony, Rittenhouse told the jury he was a “college student studying nursing at Arizona State University.”
An ASU spokesman, however, said Rittenhouse “has not gone through the admissions process with Arizona State University and is not enrolled in the Edson College of Nursing and Health Innovation.” Instead, he started a non-degree seeking online program Oct. 13 — less than three weeks before the trial began.

Fact-checking Kyle Rittenhouse’s testimony in Kenosha murder trial

Kyle Rittenhouse testified in his own defense for roughly six hours Wednesday as he tried to explain the circumstances that led to him fatally shooting two people and injuring a third. Rittenhouse …

www.chicagotribune.com

what we know is he is a high school graduate now attending college intending to pursue training as a nurse

 

[What if...?]

Let's break down his statement and look at the facts.
1) "college student" - Sounds like that's true. The statement from the college confirms he's taking online classes at ASU. I would call that a college student, and I know of a lot of others that are taking online classes that would as well.
My verdict : True (as true as could be for any online student)
2) "studying nursing" - There is nothing in this statement that specifies what he is studying, what the online program is, but it sounds like it is a common program that students take as they are getting ready to apply for the specific program. Everyone keeps calling Kyle a high-school dropout, even though it sounds like he just switched to an online high-school program, but it sounds like Kyle decided to take some online classes from the college before he applies for their nursing program. Sounds like this could be true and there is no evidence it is false. The part about him not being enrolled in the Nursing school is a smoke-screen. Most Nursing students, their first year of school, are not enrolled in the Nursing program. The Nursing program has pre-requisite courses that most high-school (especially online high school) students have not taken.
My verdict : Not-disproven (Very likely that Kyle wants to be a nurse and is studying at the college for that objective)
3) "at Arizona State University" - Well, his courses are online, so technically he's a "college student studying nursing at home". Are we willing to give Kyle a pass at this? I know a lot of online students claiming to be studying "at" their college, when we all know they are "at Starbucks"!
My verdict : False (but I am confident I know what he's trying to say)

Overall verdict: Mostly true

He didn't enroll until the middle of October though. Think that it might have been on the advice of counsel? He wasn't enrolled at the ttime of the shooting for sure.

 

[justabubba]

Not R personally, from what I've seen. But his co-whatevers were definitely there to get their testosterone on. And he loved being a part of all that, basked in the praise he got from the likes of the Proud Boys.

He's a dumb kid. Who made a dumb kid ****up. Where people ended up dead. I don't think he was evil.

Just immature and out of his depth.

to be 18 years old, this kid is demonstrating a high degree of gravitas

 

[Cordelier]

so, he is a high school graduate who is now in college pursuing an education in nursing

Yeah... he's a caring humanitarian.... that's why he called his buddy instead of 9-1-1 after shooting Rosenbaum.

This nursing thing is like his crying act on the stand. A PR exercise.

 

[GummyVitamins]

So we got vigilantes on both sides.

Why is one a hero and the others villains again?

Oh wait. I know...

The only person on trial is Rittenhouse and specifically what happened when he shot three people. His actions don't make him a hero. Villain is a strong word, but do you think villain applies to the person being attacked or the people attacking him? Winning a fight doesn't make you a hero or a villain, nor does it mean you're guilty of a crime.

 

[justabubba]

Video just showed conclusively that Grosskreutz had his weapon out as he approached Rittenhouse.

sure was 'smart' of the prosecutor to have the defense witness demonstrate that clearly by having him play the scenario at 1/4 speed
rittenhouse should send him a Christmas present this year

 

[SkyFox76]

All of Kyle's attackers were angels, two with felonies, one a rapist. Compared to those angels, Kyle really is an angel.

If you're including Grosskreutz in that group which one is he?

 

[ASHES]

If you're including Grosskreutz in that group which one is he?

He was the one who pointed a gun at Rittenhouse when Rittenhouse was aiming at the ground.

 

[SkyFox76]

Did you edit the video, no I took two videos and put them together to make one.

If the two videos are the same, why "splice" pieces from each and make one.

Maybe tying to make someone look good or bad.

Perhaps the guy had no idea what the word splice meant.

 

[GummyVitamins]

He didn't enroll until the middle of October though. Think that it might have been on the advice of counsel? He wasn't enrolled at the ttime of the shooting for sure.

You're upset he took some time off school while he was being moved to a safe house and handling the stress of this case and his actions? What point are you trying to make? You would have preferred he took courses in the spring while he was still working on finishing high school? I don't understand your argument. He was working as a life guard and was studying health care prior to starting nursing related courses this fall.

 

[SkyFox76]

He was the one who pointed a gun at Rittenhouse when Rittenhouse was aiming at the ground.

That's not his comment though. He said two of the people had felonies and one was a rapist.

 

[RF667799]

Because the demonstration is moving down Sheridan Street. It is being pushed down Sheridan Street by the police. By going back on Sheridan Street, Rittenhouse was moving toward the mob, not away from it.

That sounds like the mob is running in the same direction he is. If he ran the opposite direction, wouldn't that be running towards the mob?

 

[ASHES]

That's not his comment though. He said two of the people had felonies and one was a rapist.

That's true though. Neither were Grosskreutz.

 

[GummyVitamins]

Perhaps the guy had no idea what the word splice meant.

I've spliced many movie reels. Kids these days

 

[SkyFox76]

I had to run to the store, is this a continuation of lunch or a break for?

 

[Cordelier]

That sounds like the mob is running in the same direction he is. If he ran the opposite direction, wouldn't that be running towards the mob?

Three options.... run away from Sheridan Street; run toward Sheridan Street; or run parallel to Sheridan Street.

Passive; aggressive; or neutral. Rittenhouse chose the aggressive option.

 

[ASHES]

I had to run to the store, is this a continuation of lunch or a break for?

They're done with the last witness. No more witnesses. Defense will rest shortly, after they show the jury DeBruin's photos. Closing statements tomorrow probably.

 

[SkyFox76]

That's true though. Neither were Grosskreutz.

Which is why I asked. Much like the "crossed the stateline with a weapon" is still making appearances, so is the "Grosskreutz was a felon with a gun".

 

[ASHES]

Maybe they'll call Dr. Black for some video evidence too.

 

[RF667799]

Three options.... run away from Sheridan Street; run toward Sheridan Street; or run parallel to Sheridan Street.

Passive; aggressive; or neutral. Rittenhouse chose the aggressive option.

Before we go on, I want to be sure you've abandoned your previous arguments entirely in this latest move. Is that the case?

 

[Lutherf]

That's not his comment though. He said two of the people had felonies and one was a rapist.

It has been widely reported that Grosskreutz is a convicted felon however, based on what I took the time to research, that may not be the case. He does appear to have a misdemeanor conviction involving firearms.

 

[JustPlainJoe]

There are only 3 exceptions to underage possession of a firearm. Hunting, military or under direct adult supervision. 29.593 is a qualifier for hunting. If you are hunting (1 of only 3 exceptions) and you do not have a valid license, you are in violation of 29.593 which makes you unlawfully in possession of a firearm under 18, even though hunting is one of the 3 exceptions.

I am confused, I thought you were arguing that he was in violation of 29.593? Now you are saying that 29.593 only applies "if you are hunting", which Kyle was clearly not. So if he was not in violation of 29.593, then the other 2 are 29.304 ("Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age") and 941.28 ("Possession of short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle")
Which of those 2 do you think Kyle was in violation of?

 

[Cordelier]

Before we go on, I want to be sure you've abandoned your previous arguments entirely in this latest move. Is that the case?

Obviously not... for the reason that my arguments aren't mutually exclusive of one another. They are mutually supportive.

 

[GummyVitamins]

Which is why I asked. Much like the "crossed the stateline with a weapon" is still making appearances, so is the "Grosskreutz was a felon with a gun".

I believe Grosskreutz had a felony conviction expunged from his record (felony home burglary) not long after the prosecution interviewed him (the only one without a recording) and let him off the hook for all his crimes that night. I believe he has pending felony OWI (multiple DUIs if I recall recorrectly) case where he refused a breathalyzer as well.

I think it's fair to call him a felon because he has had a felony conviction.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1)  In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
(2) 
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.
(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.
(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.
(3) 
(a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult. This section does not apply to an adult who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age for use only in target practice under the adult's supervision or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the adult's supervision.
(b) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. This section does not apply to an adult who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age in the line of duty.
(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.

Congratulations, you have fulfilled my prophesy. You have (again) failed to even attempt to tell us what 3(c) means when it says "this section applies only ... if" if it doesn't mean it only applies in the situations following the condition.