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(W#4255)The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for the intentional first degree homicide of 2, injuring of 1

Lutherf said:
Are you suggesting that Grosskreutz, Huber, "Jump Kick Man" or any of the other people pursuing Rittenhouse were police or some other form of law enforcement? Has that been testified to or have any of them been called as a witness?
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I'd say their claim to being some form of "law enforcement" is at least as valid as Rittenhouse's, wouldn't you?
 
Cordelier said:
Yeah, I know people fired into the air right around the time of the Rosenbaum incident. And if this trial were just about Rosenbaum, I'd have to concede - whatever my belief - that the evidence wasn't sufficient to convict Rittenhouse of murder.

It's his actions afterwards that are indicative of guilt for me.
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His actions after self defense do not change. Whether or not he's guilty of murder has no bearing on the perception of his actions that occurred after the incident.
 
SkyFox76 said:
Rosenbaum had 5 injuries. Hand and thigh injury same bullet. Rittenhouse fired a total of four shots.
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So.... 100% hit rate? That's pretty accurate for someone under stress, especially someone not trained for combat conditions - even at almost point-blank range.
 
Cordelier said:
So.... 100% hit rate? That's pretty accurate for someone under stress, especially someone not trained for combat conditions.
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Rosenbaum was at point blank distance when Rittenhouse fired. The first round that hit his hand/hip was taken while his hand was around the barrel according to the medical examiner.
 
Rosenbaum's chain was in his bag, according to how this witness is describing his pictures.
 
GummyVitamins said:
His actions after self defense do not change. Whether or not he's guilty of murder has no bearing on the perception of his actions that occurred after the incident.
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Well.... they WERE his actions. If he wasn't responsible for them, then who was?
 
GummyVitamins said:
Rosenbaum was at point blank distance when Rittenhouse fired. The first round that hit his hand/hip was taken while his hand was around the barrel according to the medical examiner.
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Even so, you wouldn't expect 100%. You get in a situation like that - a normal person anyway - and your hands start shaking. At the very least, there'd be hesitation.
 
Cordelier said:
I'd say their claim to being some form of "law enforcement" is at least as valid as Rittenhouse's, wouldn't you?
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Rittenhouse, based on the testimony I have seen and heard, never claimed to be law enforcement. Furthermore, there has yet to be any testimony that Rittenhouse acted in any capacity that could reasonably be construed as "law enforcement". The video and testimonial evidence so far presented shows Rittenhouse acting in the capacity of providing medical assistance to any that asked for it.
 
Lutherf said:
You are attempting to have this discussion with someone that does not believe deadly force is a valid option for self defense in any situation whatsoever.
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Did you attribute an unsubstantiated Alternative Fact about a member intentionally?
 
Lutherf said:
Rittenhouse, based on the testimony I have seen and heard, never claimed to be law enforcement. Furthermore, there has yet to be any testimony that Rittenhouse acted in any capacity that could reasonably be construed as "law enforcement". The video and testimonial evidence so far presented shows Rittenhouse acting in the capacity of providing medical assistance to any that asked for it.
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Did Huber and Grosskreutz claim to be law enforcement?
 
Cordelier said:
Even so, you wouldn't expect 100%. You get in a situation like that - a normal person anyway - and your hands start shaking. At the very least, there'd be hesitation.
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This has nothing to do with what is actually happening in court. This isn't the place for your political pontificating. Please. There are other threads.
 
Cordelier said:
How many bullets did Rittenhouse shoot at Rosenbaum? What was it? Eight or so?

I imagine that got a lot of people's attention.
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He shot him 4 times - no idea if more rds fired
 
GummyVitamins said:
His actions after self defense do not change. Whether or not he's guilty of murder has no bearing on the perception of his actions that occurred after the incident.
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Self defense- shot him- man is down prone, shoot him 2 more times.
The threat had ended when Rosenbaum was going down/prone
 
Cordelier said:
Did Huber and Grosskreutz claim to be law enforcement?
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Not to my knowledge. You, in post #1877, alluded to their "legitimacy" of such a claim with the clear implication being that Rittenhouse was acting in or holding himself out to be "law enforcement".
 
Defense wants to bring information to the jury that Rosenbaum was telling people he just out of jail and isn't afraid to go back. Current witness believes the bag was from jail. Defense wants to ask him why he thought that. Claims they have multiple witnesses who heard Rosenbaum say this.

Prosecution objects saying we know the bag was from hospital. Judge, is not having it and "won't censor evidence." It's pertinent if Rosenbaum was telling people he just got out of jail and isn't afraid to go back. Objection overruled. Jury coming back in.
 
Prosecution objection overruled about why the witness thinks Rosenbaum's bag was from jail.
 
JANFU said:
Self defense- shot him- man is down prone, shoot him 2 more times.
The threat had ended when Rosenbaum was going down/prone
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He didn't shoot him when he was down and prone. Medical examiner said all of the wounds were consistent with someone lunging/falling forward towards Rittenhouse at close range (no more than 4 feet, likely inches). Medical examiner said first round left burn marks on hand that indicate his hand was around the barrel area of the rifle. Video evidence and prosecution witness testimony shows that Rosenbaum was running at Rittenhouse and lunged at him.
 
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